1 hour ago, Pomegranate said:

Does anyone know if the sister-in-law of Jared Kushner actually attended the wedding or if it was just a sheer coincidence/photo-op ? Bc I am seeing inconclusive and contradicting headlines on social media. If TMZ is right that they 'buried the hatchet' that makes me wonder why Karlie was attending Eras with us plebians (jk) but maybe they reconciled after that appearance

Confirmed.

Albums: grammy win(s)? based on release date

2006 - no & 2008 - yes*

2010 - yes & 2012 - no

2014 - yes* & 2017 - no

2019 - no & 2020 - yes*

2020 - no & 2022 - yes*

2024 - no

ignoring the TVs, looks like every pair has a grammy winner & a grammy non-winner.

So in theory showgirl should win. let's go, soty!

6 hours ago, fridayteenage said:

Albums: grammy win(s)? based on release date

2006 - no & 2008 - yes*

2010 - yes & 2012 - no

2014 - yes* & 2017 - no

2019 - no & 2020 - yes*

2020 - no & 2022 - yes*

2024 - no

ignoring the TVs, looks like every pair has a grammy winner & a grammy non-winner.

So in theory showgirl should win. let's go, soty!

She's WAY overdue for SOTY/ROTY. If Flowers can do it so can Taylor.

Edited July 6Jul 6 by Enrique523

5 hours ago, fridayteenage said:

Albums: grammy win(s)? based on release date

2006 - no & 2008 - yes*

2010 - yes & 2012 - no

2014 - yes* & 2017 - no

2019 - no & 2020 - yes*

2020 - no & 2022 - yes*

2024 - no

ignoring the TVs, looks like every pair has a grammy winner & a grammy non-winner.

So in theory showgirl should win. let's go, soty!

It would be reasonable for ophelia to win something. It's a huge smash + genuine quality song. I hope it wins song of the year.

Where are the streaming boosts?

Seen several Dear John 4th of July reels though.

I can't believe with my username that I've never tried this image out as an avatar, like omg am I stupid

18 hours ago, YR. said:

I don't think this is just about Stan culture. It's more serious

100% agree

all these years imagining how it would be when Taylor got married and it was definitely…. not this

happy for her though! really curious to see the photos when they are released

Not people mass downvoting a post where I said it's not unusual to invite a close childhood friend's family to a wedding (that's legit been the case for almost every wedding I've gone to). Most weddings I've gone to have had friends of the parents present who the bride/groom aren't close to. My own parents went to their neighbors' daughter's wedding recently and had never met the groom before (only met the daughter a few times). That kind of thing is extremely common. Am I going insane

Some of you genuinely spent years imagining what Taylor's wedding would be like?

ok mama we REALLY need Ruin the Friendship to be pushed as a single por favor madreeeeeeee

26 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Not people mass downvoting a post where I said it's not unusual to invite a close childhood friend's family to a wedding (that's legit been the case for almost every wedding I've gone to). Most weddings I've gone to have had friends of the parents present who the bride/groom aren't close to. My own parents went to their neighbors' daughter's wedding recently and had never met the groom before (only met the daughter a few times). That kind of thing is extremely common. Am I going insane

I had a somewhat big wedding and had never met two dozen of the guests from my husband's side. Some were also friends of my parents who I don't know well. It's extremely common. My wedding was also 1/5 the size of Taylor's and I'm not a pop star.

I think you just need to remember none of these people actually care

Gonna finally give my thoughts on this after reflecting and lurking for the last two days:

At first, I didn't post because I was disappointed and confused. Y'all know I am a Taywarrior and will get into the mud for this woman, but I ****ing hate ICE. I wanted more information before weighing in. After I learned more, I didn't post because that thread has become a cesspool of toxicity, misinformation, and hate circle jerking.

I truly mean it when I say I don't think this would have become a story if it was anyone else. The actual facts of the situation are completely different from the intentional misinformation people are spreading. I saw a post on Tik Tok with OVER ONE MILLION LIKES that said the HEAD of an ICE detainment facility was at Taylor's wedding. The "head" in question is a board member of an incredibly massive company that has a government contract with an ICE facility. The same company has an enormous amount of government contracts and did so before the Trump administration. They have also done lots of good work. We have nothing directly linking this man with ICE.

Furthermore, he is the father of one of Travis' childhood friends. I think people are so unbelievably dishonest about how they would handle these types of situations in their own lives. Do we really think that Taylor would've forced a background check on every guest Travis wanted to invite to HIS OWN WEDDING? I ****ing hate that, "Y'all think she's a mastermind until you don't want her to be," thing people keep posting. It's so stupid. No, I don't think Taylor told her fiancé that they needed to do a detailed, PR-ready background check on the family of his childhood best friend. I also don't think that this would've even been considered news worthy for another pop girl! People found some information they could wildly misrepresent to make Taylor look bad and ran with it.

I think the whole thing is pretty pathetic. The users circle jerking in that thread are all the usual suspects and don't care about anything aside from trying to find a way to drag Taylor. Just going to continue ignoring it.

It's actually crazy how much it reminds me of the MAGA playbook. Find some shreds of truth you can twist into the narrative you want to spin. Intentionally spread misinformation and aggressively attack anyone who tries to set any aspect of the record straight, even in a neutral way. Even if it doesn't change their mind, their hostility at having blatant misinformation corrected tells you everything you need to know about their motivations.

Edited July 6Jul 6 by DevilsRollTheDice

10 minutes ago, By the Water said:

I think you just need to remember none of these people actually care

fff very true. It just bothers me when people feign a moral high ground like this. Comparing Taylor to Nicki Minaj of all people is just...

2 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

Gonna finally give my thoughts on this after reflecting and lurking for the last two days:

At first, I didn't post because I was disappointed and confused. Y'all know I am a Taywarrior and will get into the mud for this woman, but I ****ing hate ICE. I wanted more information before weighing in. After I learned more, I didn't post because that thread has become a cesspool of toxicity, misinformation, and hate circle jerking.

I truly mean it when I say I don't think this would have become a story if it was anyone else. The actual facts of the story are completely different from the intentional misinformation people are spreading. I saw a post on Tik Tok with OVER ONE MILLION LIKES that said the HEAD of an ICE detainment facility was at Taylor's wedding. The "head" in question is a board member of an incredibly massive company that has a government contract with an ICE facility. The same company has tons of government contracts with good work. We have nothing directly linking this man with ICE.

Furthermore, he is the father of one of Travis' childhood friends. I think people are so unbelievably dishonest about how they would handle these types of situations in their own lives. Do we really think that Taylor would've forced a background check on every guest Travis wanted to invite to HIS OWN WEDDING? I ****ing hate that, "Y'all think she's a mastermind until you don't want her to be" thing people keep posting. It's so stupid. No, I don't think Taylor told her fiancé that they needed to do a detailed, PR-ready background check on the family of his childhood best friend. I also don't think that this would've even been considered news worthy for another pop girl! People found some information they could wildly misrepresent to make Taylor look bad and ran with it.

I think the whole thing is pretty pathetic. The users circle jerking in that thread are all the usual suspects and don't care about anything aside from trying to find a way to drag Taylor. Just going to continue ignoring it.

All of this 100%. And what's funny is when you try to post the facts, you're flooded with downvotes and told "you're defending ICE", like...what are we even doing here

People were perched the moment the MSG rumors started for something, anything to drag.

Now that that's out of the way, back to regularly scheduled programming!

Finally got around to watching The Devil Wears Prada 2 yesterday and was absolutely screaming that any Monster had the nerve to come for I Knew It, I Knew How To Get A Solo Number 1 After the 00s' chart performance . Taylor got end credits. Those Gaga songs were FEATURED, honey! Still made absolutely zero noise. No wonder they're so angry/bitter tbh.

35 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

All of this 100%. And what's funny is when you try to post the facts, you're flooded with downvotes and told "you're defending ICE", like...what are we even doing here

People were perched the moment the MSG rumors started for something, anything to drag.

I wish I could leave well enough alone, but you'll find my dumbass commenting in the topics about this in both sincere and bratty responses trying to correct the nonsense. I should know better from all the dumb antics that have happened since the start of June and still ended up wading into it. I think I've hopefully learned my lesson for the time being.

My silver lining being that I've got a list of people in my notifications that have responded so negatively to me that I will not feel bad blocking them from appearing in my feed. Make the ATRL you want to see in the world I guess 🌎 💫 🌈 .

50 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

fff very true. It just bothers me when people feign a moral high ground like this. Comparing Taylor to Nicki Minaj of all people is just...

I mean these people compare her to Elon so their derangement is not our problem to solve

1 hour ago, By the Water said:

Some of you genuinely spent years imagining what Taylor's wedding would be like?

next time @ me

you know it's an expression but whatever, I guess you wanted to get cute for likes. I forgot I had to say that this wedding is the most wonderful event of the 21st century in order to post here!

Maybe the reason some of us aren't so disappointed with how the wedding went is not only because we do not know anything about it but we also didn't have any expectations to begin with. Like, am I really supposed to care about the MSG thing?

yall I haven't gone this hard since reputation era, I need a break

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

yall I haven't gone this hard since reputation era, I need a break

Honestly, we get fed so much, maybe that's our reward for all the psychosis happening in the world. Thanks for doing the work that needs to be done.

i think i learned about a decade ago that you change no one's mind by arguing on the internet, you just start to feel as deranged as the people yr arguing with, and esp in terms of OTHs these people only exist to make you get mad at them, that's the whole point of what they do, so it's probably just best to let them get on with it on their own

On 7/5/2026 at 10:28 PM, Enrique523 said:

OTHs are STILL convinced hating her online will destroy her career, which is beyond stupid because it hasn't worked for over 10 years. At some point they need to grow up and wonder what's wrong in their own lives because this obsession and delusion is NOT healthy.

And as i've already said you can only be cancelled by your own fanbase, never by haters. You'd think terminally online people would've realized that by this point

To be fair they almost succeeded once in 2016 but that was a much larger scandal that Taylor herself responded to and was weaponised by the GP as well. A few people hate posting on ATRL won't even come under her PR team's radar.

I do think Taylor is a little un-cancellable at this point because swifties are like half the world's population and people don't care about celebrities like that anymore. The focus is ok politicians and there's too much going on in the world.

3 hours ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

Gonna finally give my thoughts on this after reflecting and lurking for the last two days:

At first, I didn't post because I was disappointed and confused. Y'all know I am a Taywarrior and will get into the mud for this woman, but I ****ing hate ICE. I wanted more information before weighing in. After I learned more, I didn't post because that thread has become a cesspool of toxicity, misinformation, and hate circle jerking.

I truly mean it when I say I don't think this would have become a story if it was anyone else. The actual facts of the situation are completely different from the intentional misinformation people are spreading. I saw a post on Tik Tok with OVER ONE MILLION LIKES that said the HEAD of an ICE detainment facility was at Taylor's wedding. The "head" in question is a board member of an incredibly massive company that has a government contract with an ICE facility. The same company has an enormous amount of government contracts and did so before the Trump administration. They have also done lots of good work. We have nothing directly linking this man with ICE.

Furthermore, he is the father of one of Travis' childhood friends. I think people are so unbelievably dishonest about how they would handle these types of situations in their own lives. Do we really think that Taylor would've forced a background check on every guest Travis wanted to invite to HIS OWN WEDDING? I ****ing hate that, "Y'all think she's a mastermind until you don't want her to be," thing people keep posting. It's so stupid. No, I don't think Taylor told her fiancé that they needed to do a detailed, PR-ready background check on the family of his childhood best friend. I also don't think that this would've even been considered news worthy for another pop girl! People found some information they could wildly misrepresent to make Taylor look bad and ran with it.

I think the whole thing is pretty pathetic. The users circle jerking in that thread are all the usual suspects and don't care about anything aside from trying to find a way to drag Taylor. Just going to continue ignoring it.

It's actually crazy how much it reminds me of the MAGA playbook. Find some shreds of truth you can twist into the narrative you want to spin. Intentionally spread misinformation and aggressively attack anyone who tries to set any aspect of the record straight, even in a neutral way. Even if it doesn't change their mind, their hostility at having blatant misinformation corrected tells you everything you need to know about their motivations.

So well said. It's actually disgusting how they weaponise such serious issues because they don't like an artist. It's one of the most pathetic and disturbing things I've seen.

It shows how willingly people will contribute to mis and dis information if it fits their narrative.