MissedTheTrain
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I do like it, and I like the sound she's going for, but it just feels like it needed more time in the oven which is frustrating. Is it weird that Magic Metal Montana is maybe my favoriteKelly had success and hits over the course of 14 years. Then she pivoted to TV and had mad success there. She still gets nominated for Grammys and has multiple songs that are Christmas hits every year. She's paved her own path and stayed relevant. The only "loud" flop she's had was My December, which didn't even do that terribly. She's not the same as these other artists. Kesha's heyday was short, but her legal troubles are what marked the end of it. That's a big part of her story and overall trajectory that makes people look at her career differently. She's continued to do her thing, find a niche lane for herself and I don't think people have high expectations for her to have commercial success like she used to.It obviously started with Witness (and a lot of the "backlash" with that era was really over the top and unfair), but it seemed like after that, she was quietly going down her own path and doing her own thing as her commercial success winded down. She wasn't seeing the same success, but there was a bit more....dignity, if that makes sense. 143 is what made matters a lot worse because she flopped pretty loudly with it. There was clear intention with that album of her making a commercial comeback, and it backfired spectacularly. That album is what they referred to on this podcast, and that kind of "loud" flopping is what Lizzo is currently going through.I agree that the relationship with a pet is different than one with a kid (humans are obviously more nuanced than dogs/cats), but people who have never had a pet would never know what the bond is like. Pets give unconditional love, and the love isn't complicated. It just is. I have friends who never had pets growing up and didn't really get it, but got roped into co-parenting a dog with their significant other and were immediately in love.Well no, Lover's release date had been planned far before the masters thing happened. She announced the album and its release date on 6/13/19. She found out about the sale of her masters on 6/30/19. We've got time stamped emails between her and Scott Borchetta that prove this. She and Jack wrote/recorded Midnights in fall 2021 while both Joe and Margaret were away filming a movie, a full year before the album came out. Yeah, her and Joe had a rift, but seemed to recover and move on from it (The Great War details it), if only temporarily. He was even at her Grammys afterparty in January 2023.Not everyone can be Rita Ora
