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Of course not, not sure what you're trying to stir up here? I love Taylor's music, but I don't share the same opinion as the deranged Swifities on twitter.

I'm happy she's campaigning, I was kind of nervous that the buzz around the album died out early with it coming out so early in the eligibility period but she's done a fantastic job building it back up lately I wish Lily would do the same ugh

It's honestly kind of gotten out of hand. It's the same 10 or so people that turn almost every thread about her into a circle jerk.

If you don't like her material that's fine! I just don't understand the dramatics with her from some of you guys. There are plenty of artists who I do not like a single song from, but I can respect the fact that they're talented to be making music that people like, they're just not for me.

She has plenty of fantastic material (including the entire album Speak Now) without any cowriters at all. Your fave was inspired by her for a reason! Also, Liz herself has never "taken the lead" with Taylor, she mainly was there as an editor. Her own words: https://www.thenashnews.com/post/liz-rose-chats-about-writing-all-too-well-10-minute-version-with-taylor-swift Taste of CountrySongwriter Liz Rose Shares Key to Writing With Taylor SwiftVeteran Nashville songwriter Liz Rose has revealed the secret behind the success of her collaborations with Taylor Swift.

Thank you! To say she's not talented is utterly delusional, we're losing the plot that this is even a discussion. It takes talent to write great songs. I would like to see a lot of these other girls write an entire album solo like Taylor did with Speak Now. It takes talent to create a career like hers. There's a reason she's held in high regard and has the accolades she has.

Thank you! I guess I should know by now that these threads just become circle jerk threads for her haters and logic flies out the window

You're saying she only got critical praise at the beginning of her career because she was young, but you're now saying critical praise doesn't matter because it's "paid". So how else are we supposed to judge what an artist's best work is if we can't go off of critical reception or sales? Her work was most consumed and well reviewed in her 30s, I don't know what else to tell you. Resorting to personal attacks, cool! Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean they're bad takes. I'm not "playing the misogyny card". That man's take was very misogynistic and if you read his full quote you'd know that. He would say the same exact thing about someone like Britney so I don't know why he's someone you'd want to champion. And again, I was not saying Taylor is on the same level as those writers (which has 0 to do with me mentioning the misogynistic nature of that man's quote).

The very post you're replying to invalidates what you're saying. She released her most praised work in her 30s, because of her "alleged talent". And I don't know why you keep quoting that awful misogynist's gross take.

Be careful, they're going to say you're comparing her to them!

I was not comparing them to her, of course she's on on their level, chill out Just was listing some examples of the concept that it's possible for great songwriters to have bad material.

I mean, if that's your prerogative I respect it! I think what makes songwriters great is the ability, skill and perspective they've shown us. Paul McCartney also had plenty of duds and overly simplistic songs throughout his career, Smokey Robinson just released an album called "Gasms", Bob Dylan had panned albums in his career. It happens to the best of them, but doesn't take away from their great work. ETA: I overestimated the reading comprehension going on in this thread. I am not saying she's on their level. That user said you cannot discuss someone's songwriting ability as a whole without their bad material, I am just listing examples of the concept that it's possible for highly praised songwriters to have released bad material.

No it's not..? They're trying to say Shake It Off is the extent of how good of a songwriter she is and that she doesn't have songwriting talent, which is not true.

Once again, another song literally nobody has ever used as an example of how great of a songwriter she is. You're being incredibly obtuse when she has songs like Dear John, All Too Well, State of Grace, the last great american dynasty, Tolerate It, right where you left me, Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus, Clara Bow, I could go on. There's a reason she's regarded as one of the best of her generation, was picked as one of the Greatest American Living Songwriters by NYT (both the main list which went through rounds of voting from tons of artists and critics, and the readers list) and has already been inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame. Trying to throw in her unserious songs that have never been used to show her songwriting prowess is not the "gotcha" moment you think it is!

Why do you guys still act obtuse and pretend that's a song that anyone has ever used to display her songwriting talent