Taylor has been successfully navigating all kinds of backslash for most of her career.

Her dating life prior to Joe was getting ridiculed. Matty too.

Reputation - she took the snake narrative and built on it.

ME!ss - Despite mixed reactions, Lover album sold well even before Cruel Summer went viral

TTPD - mixed reception, however, great numbers, beautiful numbers + the Eras tour

TLOAS - mixed reception, however, great numbers, beautiful numbers + the TFOO was a huge hit

However, with Encore, she is entering uncharted territory as both critical and GP receptions are rather negative. Her output is now regarded as soulless and boring by some of her stans too.

Granted, she will probably have another #1 on BH100 and the album will again top the BH200. She will be present at the VMAs where she will debut the PZ MV starring 2 of her celebrity pals, however, will this be enough for her to turn this era around?

Grammys chances too are getting lower even though the whole point of Encore / VMAs was to remind the Grammy voters about Ophelia.

Should she and her label keep pushing or should she just take the L and suck it up for once in her life?

She is also now a billionaire and claims to be happily married, so fewer people are inclined to sympathize with her.

Plus, in general, the more time a celebrity spends in public life, the harder it gets for them to keep the GP interested .

Discussion is preferred, but poll added too

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by liamswnmt

No. Regardless of her first week sales (Swifties will still buy TS13 en masse because of the whole marketing around it being her 13th album), she will continue to have critical bombs. She's entering her Madonna 2010s era.

Of course. Just call up some old friends.

she just needs to go to ground for a year and people will start forgetting about it

they had already started forgetting how bad the showgirl standard is but for some reason she decided to remind them

Easily. It's not like her millions of loyal fans are going to turn on her, despite the disappointment. Also casual pop listeners and of course her haters will always tune into her next releases. She just has to take her time and flesh out what she really wants to say the next time around and stop focusing on addressing haters or criticism, it's beyond old now. Then of course the music can't serve mid or filler either.

Lastly she'll be best to have a quality control team in place instead of listening to Travis's opinion.

Of course......

Literally all she has to do in order to do so is lay low for a minute, release Debut TV late this year or sometime next, and come back with a better album at least a year from now, maybe a little more, that changes her sonic direction away from mainstream radio pop. Even just an album that goes back to being primarily country pop would be enough to turn the tide if she also challenges herself to do new things with her subject matter and lyricism.

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It's over. She's overexposed and out of touch. On top of that, her crazed fanbase primarily consumes her music by relating it to Taylor's personal life. She's now married and has effectively "jumped the shark" in that regard. She's also getting close to 40 and not that many female musicians get to stay on top past that age. Beyoncé is one of the few who's been able to do it, but she actually has talent and sings about more than just her love life.

TS fanatics would buy 100 variants of her farting in different key so she has still couple years and albums riding the record breaking journey

BUT ... if she cares about the artistry and music she should take a break because her songwriting and songs are reductive of herself

Take a few years off, have a family, get off the spotlight, hire a good therapist and come back in 2030 with a good album, yes half of your fans will eventually get into their senses, mature and find a therapist as well but you will still have good fanbase to use for chart position ;)

As long as she keeps adding new young fans. This has been the absolute key to her success. Most other artists built a fanbase within the first few years then slowly lose it as they venture in a more grown sound and it is reflected in their declining success because you tend not to add older fans or at least very few. Taylor on the other hand has always been able to re-add more young fans while largely retaining her old fans thanks to continued success and releasing relatively decent music. But attracting youth has always been the aim, just look at most of her lead singles:

Tim McGraw - teeny weeny song
Love Story - super Disney
Mine - fairly grown in comparison
We Are Never Ever - children's song
Shake it Off - toddlers song
Look What You Made Me Do - Disney villain song
ME!! - kindergarten song
Cardigan - Disney princess song
Willow - Disney witch song
Anti-Hero - somewhat more grown, but still fairy tale vibes
Fortnight - a lil more grown
The Fate of Ophelia - children/Disney song

A redundant question. Of course she can.

10 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Literally all she has to do in order to do so is lay low for a minute, release Debut TV late this year or sometime next, and come back with a better album at least a year from now, maybe a little more, that changes her sonic direction away from mainstream radio pop. Even just an album that goes back to being primarily country pop would be enough to turn the tide if she also challenges herself to do new things with her subject matter and lyricism.

Exactly.

Besides, she released a mediocre album. She didn't actually "offend" the GP.

Nope. This is a career ending failure in every regard. There's no recovery from this.

She can, but does she want to? That's probably the more pressing question and it's kinda looking like no

No one remembers or cares about deluxes.

Of course, her stans will eat anything she serves them up.

GP will switch back with good music again

49 minutes ago, thisbirdhasflown said:

It's over. She's overexposed and out of touch. On top of that, her crazed fanbase primarily consumes her music by relating it to Taylor's personal life. She's now married and has effectively "jumped the shark" in that regard. She's also getting close to 40 and not that many female musicians get to stay on top past that age. Beyoncé is one of the few who's been able to do it, but she actually has talent and sings about more than just her love life.

psychotic ageist comment.

Shakira, Cher, Madonna, Mariah, Kylie etc all had had success 30 years into their careers

she's had three #1 hits in the past year, she's probably about to have another one, other artists should have such crises as a bunch of whiney f*cks constantly bitching about them online because they're weirdly obsessed

All she needs to do is release Debut TV then take a break until 2028 to get some inspiration and come back with a great country/rock album.

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commercially she will always have success, probably to a lesser degree if she keeps releasing slop like this

she can turn it around if she stops being so male-centered and seeing herself as a victim of her own fame, and comes up with something fresh. something like folklore, really. she could also do with divorcing the meathead husband to help that path along.

I think Taylor Swift's main issue is that there is way too much Taylor Swift music out there already and, unless she figures out how to turn back time, there's nothing she can do about that. 3/4 of these panned deluxe songs are actually solid, harmless songs but she's made so many similar ones that people are just exhausted and vomit out the new ones. Whatever she makes next, even if it's with a new co-writer and producer like her fans beg her, it's bound to sound like one of the 300+ songs she's already churned out. And that's more songs than we have (or need) even from artists that are actually talented and interesting, let alone her.

1 hour ago, Feanor said:

Nope. This is a career ending failure in every regard. There's no recovery from this.

mariah pfp saying this is a mf kii

I mean yeah? I think she has played it less safe with her recent albums and her doing what she wants if she really wants to chase like good reviews there are easy ways to do that.

dont be surprised she will still rise

I just need her to turn up to the VMAs in a great gown/beautiful gown and I'll forgive her for Cleveland.

There is nothing to turn around …

Showgirl has had limited promo and a four song deluxe and it's already approaching 7x platinum.