Oh Lordney, as I exit my career employment for the day I am catching up on some mess that went down all day.

Thirsty Thursdays.

Slurp slurp don't burp…

jailed pedo mj logo is a new high

3 minutes ago, CBC said:

jailed pedo mj logo is a new high

Wonder what will appear when Trump's big beautiful day comes

Seriously wtf? Are you keeping that member around after all this? I can't honestly engage with that member anymore after their continuous harassment and lies.

2 minutes ago, BjorkIsMyMom said:

Seriously wtf? Are you keeping that member around after all this? I can't honestly engage with that member anymore after their continuous harassment and lies.

And that goes for both of you

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

And that goes for both of you

You argue in bad faith so don't try to claim an ethical high ground when it's all just stan brain rot for you. You don't really care.

Only in Atrl you will see people arguing about Michael Jackson and Zionism in the same fight

Just now, BjorkIsMyMom said:

You argue in bad faith so don't try to claim an ethical high ground when it's all just stan brain rot for you. You don't really care.

I cited evidence of crimes, patterns of abusive behavior that I'm well-acquainted with due to my profession, and motifs from the legal system to ground the case in a larger context. None of that was provided in bad faith, but you were unable to defend your fave without resorting to personal attacks, deflection, and self-victimization.

I can continue to waste my time posting hundreds of pages of documents that showcase MJ's inappropriate treatment of children, but you'd rather turn a blind eye to it in a feeble attempt to rid yourself of guilt while listening to his music. I hope one day you emerge from that cloud of cognitive dissonance and realize how pathetic it was to dismiss child sexual abuse in order to feel better as a stan.

39 minutes ago, Culture Is Lit said:

You wouldn't understand because you're not-

I am not a college freshman in Sociology 101 in the year 2009. The outdated ideas of Standpoint Theory are not an incantation. Identity as a fetishized projection of self doesn't hold any magical powers no matter how much you repeat it over and over.

Abstract concepts like identity and sense of self do not change the material reality of Israel's genocide in Gaza.

Was it anti-white for the nation of Rhodesia to be dissolved and something anew to be created in its place? To slander those who reject the fascist, nazi-like ethnonationalism of the Israeli people as antisemitic amidst a genocide is why Zionism is rightfully being recognized for the far right movement it is.

The Israeli people hold up the belief that the Israeli state must be a majority Jewish nation and that the only way to maintain this artificial ethnic majority is the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Thus it is the rational, logical, and humanist stance to support the eradication of the Israeli nation state and "Israeli" as an identity - again, no differently than how there are simply no such things as Rhodesians anymore, but simply white Zimbabweans.

I do not care who you think you are nor what you think you know. Your personal experiences ultimately mean nothing if your ~lived experiences~ bring you to the frontlines of cheering on a genocide like as though you are a German staring out your window in the 1940s.

2 hours ago, Culture Is Lit said:

Again, you're looking at the Middle Eastern struggle through a westernized lens. The facts presented are — modern day Israel's origin involves a mix of historical forces: the aftermath of European antisemitism and the Holocaust, the decline of the Ottoman Empire, British mandate-era policies, Zionist and Arab nationalist movements, and later regional wars and geopolitical alignments. You don't have to agree with any of those developments or their outcomes, but reducing all of that to a single externally imposed design flattens a very complex history.

I know you've been conditioned to have a deep hatred for Israel and the Jews, as I also critique Israelis and much of the Zionist movement but unfortunately, you cannot eliminate an entire state or deny the legitimacy or existence of an entire group of people. Your dangerous rhetoric is deeply rooted in antisemitism and that kind of framing moves away from political critique and into collective dehumanization. It's critiques like yours as to why there are legitimate political policies on U.S. foreign and military aid, and how American tax dollars are being used, including in relation to Israel. Again, these are facts presented, not an opinion. People can and do, however, disagree at times on those issues, and it's fair to question government policy or advocate for changes in funding priorities. However, the reason for that is — again, not my opinion but a fact — Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. It's the only democracy in the Middle East where gays and women have the most equal rights, and where things like pride events can even happen.

If the U.S. were to withdraw support from Israel overnight, the potential consequences in terms of regional instability and human casualties would be extremely severe— far beyond what most people can easily imagine. Worse than anything you or I ever will ever see in our lifetime or have seen over the last several years. Personally, I too would prefer a future where my U.S. tax dollars are not directed towards another country with foreign conflicts, and where all people in the region are able to live in peace without the constant fear of violence or fear of being carpet bombed. In fact, that is the foundation of my position which is why I condemn war and violence on all sides, as should anyone with moral compass.

Unfortunately what you are doing is framing an entire country as something that was simply "invented" without acknowledging the broader historical context, internal political diversity, and competing interpretations that exist among historians and political scientists. Most importantly, arguing that a state should be "dissolved" or that "there should be no such thing as its citizens" moves away from policy critique and into eliminationist language. Whatever position someone takes on borders, governance, or international relations, political disagreement has to remain anchored in frameworks that still recognize the humanity and existence of all civilians involved.

Also, dismissing the lived realities of Iranian or Kurdish women, or the Women Life Freedom movement, as an example is highly offensive and harmful. Women in Iran are not an abstract talking point — they are real people who have faced decades of legal and social restrictions, including mandatory dress codes, policing of bodily autonomy, and violent crackdowns on dissent, especially during protests like those following the death of Mahsa Amini. There are well-documented cases from the UN and human rights organizations showing women being arrested, beaten, imprisoned, and in some cases killed for resisting state-imposed restrictions on their freedom and expression. But just because it isn't Israel committing these crimes and present-day human rights abuses, suddenly it doesn't seem to matter.

Reducing that reality, or implying it's irrelevant to broader political arguments, ignores the actual human cost involved and why the broader context of Middle Eastern lives don't matter to many, if any of you at all. Again, you say you're against child predators but don't condemn countries that have made child marriage legal. You claim to be against against genocide yet haven't once spoken up about what's going on in Nigeria, or minority, activist and religious groups in places like Iran who are being killed or tortured as we speak. How interesting.

The way you view Jewish people having to live exactly where they are now, but in a country called Palestine, as "eliminationist", that hasbara is slipping through sis

8 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

I cited evidence of crimes, patterns of abusive behavior that I'm well-acquainted with due to my profession, and motifs from the legal system to ground the case in a larger context. None of that was provided in bad faith, but you were unable to defend your fave without resorting to personal attacks, deflection, and self-victimization.

I can continue to waste my time posting hundreds of pages of documents that showcase MJ's inappropriate treatment of children, but you'd rather turn a blind eye to it in a feeble attempt to rid yourself of guilt while listening to his music. I hope one day you emerge from that cloud of cognitive dissonance and realize how pathetic it was to dismiss child sexual abuse in order to feel better as a stan.

And this is PRECISELY why I stated you argue in bad faith because I have made it absolutely clear that he's not 'my fave' nor I'm his stan. Nor can you provide evidence of what you accuse me of. Way to prove my point and what your motivation really is.

Edited May 14May 14 by BjorkIsMyMom

I got banned for saying certain pop girl as local while some members who defended MJ can still freely post on this site.

I'm not educated enough to follow this discussion, can you guys start calling each other fat please

Why TF are yall still going

Go getchu some D.

Enough is enough.

This civics and syg ménage ain't it.

Honestly, it is very telling to me that certain Zionist users are still here but various pro-Palestine users were banned/silenced. Unless this is properly addressed nobody can be on their high horse telling anybody what's what.

doing all this because you really enjoy defending sex offenders is worse than being one of his cultist stans

I woke up around 4 something am this morning to this nonsense and it's past 5 pm and it's still going.

1 minute ago, secretgarden said:

doing all this because you really enjoy defending sex offenders is worse than being one of his cultist stans

How sick in the head do you have to be as someone who cares about CSA/sexual assault that I go out of my way to defend that? As always, more lying. You are seriously not funny at all.

While we have the whole forum here, would any of y'all be up for participating in a Meghan Trainor discography rate

2 minutes ago, PenguinTim said:

While we have the whole forum here, would any of y'all be up for participating in a Meghan Trainor discography rate

No thank you. Maybe a Lizzo one in the future.

6 minutes ago, PenguinTim said:

While we have the whole forum here, would any of y'all be up for participating in a Meghan Trainor discography rate

the mods not doing anything to atleast stop this mayhem

they just change the logo/banner and bail

and the worst of all, promoting meghan thee trainor discography rates as if anyone listen to her deep cuts

23 minutes ago, BjorkIsMyMom said:

Honestly, it is very telling to me that certain Zionist users are still here but various pro-Palestine users were banned/silenced. Unless this is properly addressed nobody can be on their high horse telling anybody what's what.

This is the quickest way to the ban you’re already close to. Tread carefully.

6 minutes ago, Raspy said:

the mods not doing anything to atleast stop this mayhem

they just change the logo/banner and bail

and the worst of all, promoting meghan thee trainor discography rates as if anyone listen to her deep cuts

Mods have been discussing since 10:00 am a course of action. Please don’t make assumptions.

1 minute ago, Rian said:

This is the quickest way to the ban you're already close to. Tread carefully.

I just don't understand what kind of environment this forum wants to be. After so many members have basically harassed and slandered me and continue to push lies, I question what the site's end goal is.