2 hours ago, Mirtazapine said:

yeah I posted my thoughts a couple of pages ago and said i enjoy the album as a whole but can see why it's seen as a step down from the tortured poets department and how the highs of that album were much higher than those on the life of a showgirl. i also think a lot of the criticism is valid but some people take it to the extreme and act like it's the biggest crime known to modern music and it really isn't that deep! lol

there are some genuinely great songs on the album whereas some people think there isn't a single redeeming quality throughout all 16 tracks. i can take a difference of opinion but a lot of the hate seems very forced. especially some of the bs I'm seeing on x. it's just to farm likes from other taylor haters who couldn't form their own opinion even if they had a step by step book on how to do so.

2 hours ago, kyoshi said:

It gets tiring but we all know (taylor knows too) that she can never win with these parasocial haters because the current album is never good enough until there is a new era

It is literally just jealousy. They are mad because their faves are not doing a quarter of these numbers. So unless she releases a Wildest Dream level masterpiece they will hate hate hate. Good thing she already released the answer to these situations over a decade ago. And tbh I can't take anyone seriously who actually complains about these 4 songs they literally all have fine lyrics, cute instrumentals and excellent melodies. Like what more do you want? It's idiotic.

Its kinda funny but all this psychosis everytime she released anything kinda make me feel like im stanning an indie artist that no one know about lol. Like romanticise the us against the world troop.

The most important thing is if we still can connect with her music or not. Im scared with the Showgirl release but after sometimes and this encore, i appreciate this era for what it is. Songs like Ruin The Friendship, Father Figure, Opalite, Babylon, Pink Clouding proved that i can still pretty much connect with her music on a personal level.

3 hours ago, wehavetostan said:

I really wish I was on ATRL the day this song came out because I just know some people were probably defending it with their life

i still do

5 hours ago, punisher said:

in my head the album should be her reflecting on 13 pivotal moments of her life, something like midnights but certainly bigger and better

that means we'll get like the 50th kimye track though it peaked with cassandra

That's what I have in mind. reflection. on her career, her life, her friendship relationships, her romantic relationships. hardships. that's what comes first to my head when I think of TS13.

I so don't wanna be her right now when TS13 is next. esp. after the reaction to Showgirl. so much pressure. we know she's good at pressure because she loves to prove haters wrong. but i'm worried for the reception of TS13 right now. she can't release it next year (until October 2027) everyone will come at her so bad that she's not taking a break.

Loved Cleveland! but that "I've found mine" should've been belted and with more ad libs towards the end like TIWWCHNT.

Patient Zero needed ad libs on the last chorus.

Pink Clouding and Babylon are typical mid Swiftian songs.

10 minutes ago, Tal_reputation said:

That's what I have in mind. reflection. on her career, her life, her friendship relationships, her romantic relationships. hardships. that's what comes first to my head when I think of TS13.

I so don't wanna be her right now when TS13 is next. esp. after the reaction to Showgirl. so much pressure. we know she's good at pressure because she loves to prove haters wrong. but i'm worried for the reception of TS13 right now. she can't release it next year (until October 2027) everyone will come at her so bad that she's not taking a break.

songs like the manuscript, cassandra, YOYOK, and would've could've should've are so beautiful for this exact reason. honestly i'll let the dogs shred my girl apart if ts13 is similar to showgirl, ive been thinking about this album since evermore. i think the re-records made her reflect a lot, hence why we got the reflective songs i mentioned before, but i need her to really push herself and not disappoint us. let's hope it's her lover —> folklore moment right now.

the PR statement to people mag makes me think that the album is lyric focused, and i'm lowkey expecting it somewhat soon. showgirl would've been done in may/june of 2025, and it's been a year and a half. we know she's busy atm but she naturally cannot stop making music, and the re-records won't take up that much of her time

16 hours ago, punisher said:

we need to reevaluate this song

"reevaluate" as if we haven't all been recognizing its excellence since week 1

7 minutes ago, PumpkinTim said:

"reevaluate" as if we haven't all been recognizing its excellence since week 1

the discography rate says different

it is top 10 taylor songs though.

some much needed Taypositivity

Just now, TaylenaStan said:

some much needed Taypositivity

They always get it !

i saw this reel and the caption was "taylor dropped some ahhh"

It's good that she recorded Woodwale a few years ago just in case this happens. She just has to release the album now.

8 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said:

It's good that she recorded Woodwale a few years ago just in case this happens. She just has to release the album now.

no thanks. if she releases that now, it'll be treated the same way as ttpd was.

i want new sound, new genre, new producers, "new" taylor. may she gag the world again

evermore was finished november and the midnights 3am songs started being recorded in march

when would woodvale have had the time to exist chi

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Patient Zero needed ad libs on the last chorus.

Spill of the century.

I feel like this endless discourse is tricking a bunch of Swifties into feeling like they have to agree with some of it in order to seem reasonable. I'm sorry, but I just don't!

I'm supposed to endorse a narrative that she is creatively regressing when the album just before this one is TTPD? And the one before that is AOTY winning Midnights? I'm supposed to believe her checks notes SONGWRITING is regressing when, in 2024, we got So Long, London, But Daddy I Love Him, Fresh Out The Slammer, Guilty As Sin?, loml, TSMWEL, The Black Dog, The Albatross, Chloe et al., I Hate It Here, ILIPW, Peter. Some of the best in her CAREER.

All this insufferable discourse because she released one album that, for her standards, was mid. An album that contained her biggest and best pop song released in the 2020s, her biggest 2nd single since Blank Space, and gems like Father Figure and Ruin The Friendship.

Tbh, I think the best thing that could happen for her and us is for things to feel a little smaller again. All these seemingly endless lashings and yet the fanbase never seems to shrink at all.

Edited yesterday at 11:04 AM1 day by DevilsRollTheDice

Edit: Twitter automatically translated this for me, didn't realize it wasn't in English. For those who need the translation:

Taylor with any ex: climbing condom son of a ***** liar piece of **** ill-born bastard

taylor when she remembers tom hiddleston:

Edited yesterday at 11:11 AM1 day by DevilsRollTheDice

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Loved Cleveland! but that "I've found mine" should've been belted and with more ad libs towards the end like TIWWCHNT.

Patient Zero needed ad libs on the last chorus.

Pink Clouding and Babylon are typical mid Swiftian songs.

9 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

Spill of the century.

yeah the vocals are scarce. She needs to do some more vocal layering on Patient Zero in lots of parts. Like you can see it just in the bridge itself. The spoken word part where it's just one vocal layer feels jarring BUT the part where there's a double vocal stacked on top of each other makes the spoken word sound so much more melodic. + yes deff needed some adlibs too. She has a very pleasant vocal tone but I think she's relying too much on that lately. Give us layering and treat our ears to a few more adlibs here and there diva!

I'm believing that girl on tiktok who said she only recorded these songs because Travis got scammed lmao. Patient Zero, great chorus, beautiful chorus tho

6 hours ago, wehavetostan said:

omg this thread is too funny you all have to read

i was looking for this gif some time ago, thank you it's so iconic

Not patient zero becoming my least favorite among these 4. Cleveland is my #1 replacing Babylon.

5 hours ago, Kurt Hummel said:

it was unhinged how people tried to spin a white supremacy eugenics narrative around Wi$h Li$t in particular

is there anyone else who regularly gets this sh*t, like this is really deranged stuff and we have this now everytime she poots out some bonus track or something

Cleveland being an explosive pop song, then the pop slows down in Pink Clouding, then stripped down in Babylon. She's transitioning into a country era for TS13. Let's just hope it's not as bad as I Knew It, I Knew You

1 minute ago, Timeless said:

Cleveland being an explosive pop song, then the pop slows down in Pink Clouding, then stripped down in Babylon. She's transitioning into a country era for TS13. Let's just hope it's not as bad as I Knew It, I Knew You

a yee-haw country album after showgirl would genuinely be the worst case scenario and i pray to god it won't happen, because it's also a very realistic scenario

if it's like fearless however, give it to me

3 minutes ago, punisher said:

if it's like fearless however, give it to me

Country pop like Speak Now, Red, and Fearless would be a dream come true but that will never happen if she works with Hack. I trust Aaron can do good ones like Foolish God