17 minutes ago, Fleahive said:

Dm me the tea. I won't tell anyone; I have no friends on here.

The user Graffiti started fighting with someone like 48 hours ago defending the notion of Zionism as not an inherently fascist ideology and then got mad when most people didn't support said posts advocating for and arguing that Zionism is not a supremacist ideology - let alone trying to make the case in a thread about Gwyneth Paltrow selling condos and advocating for people to move to Israel.

They then made a now hidden thread in Civics about how leftists are all antisemitic assholes and that everything is "hostile" on here and then hid the thread or asked for a mod to hide the thread seemingly after another mod entered the thread and had to point out to the user their posts with name calling and personal insults were ironically aggressive and hostile.

This apparently - for some reason - then became a vent session on some Discord (?) and now (only apparently some?) political discussion is banned cause "tankles"?? I'm not even sure what this user thinks this word means cause Zionism is by definition the use of militarized violence justified on the premise of historical Jewish suffering and the demand for Jewish Nationalism. Tankie derived as a niche snarl term in the 60s for those that believed that the USSR should have used military violence to ensure Hungary stayed a socialist state in 1956. Zionism is the perpetual use of genocidal military violence to ensure Israel stays a "Jewish Nation". Zionism is literally the belief that Israel must keep the tanks rolling to protect Jewish Nationalism

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Communion

can we switch Discard Reply and Submit Reply button color? like you don't want me to post? cause i be clicking that red thing all the damn time!

is the huge ass "banner" before every post like @Pomegranate is doing even allowed?

like girl no one needs to see that and it's taking up space. i'm seeing it everywhere and it doesn't contribute anything to the discussion

i don't think that's how do you this sort of personal branding?

the way i scream whenever i see that envelope

these yopsfagsils are so unserious

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Katamari

46 minutes ago, Communion said:

The user Graffiti started fighting with someone like 48 hours ago defending the notion of Zionism as not an inherently fascist ideology and then got mad when most people didn't support said posts advocating for and arguing that Zionism is not a supremacist ideology - let alone trying to make the case in a thread about Gwyneth Paltrow selling condos and advocating for people to move to Israel.

They then made a now hidden thread in Civics about how leftists are all antisemitic assholes and that everything is "hostile" on here and then hid the thread or asked for a mod to hide the thread seemingly after another mod entered the thread and had to point out to the user their posts with name calling and personal insults were ironically aggressive and hostile.

This apparently - for some reason - then became a vent session on some Discord (?) and now (only apparently some?) political discussion is banned cause "tankles"?? I'm not even sure what this user thinks this word means cause Zionism is by definition the use of militarized violence justified on the premise of historical Jewish suffering and the demand for Jewish Nationalism. Tankie derived as a niche snarl term in the 60s for those that believed that the USSR should have used military violence to ensure Hungary stayed a socialist state in 1956. Zionism is the perpetual use of genocidal military violence to ensure Israel stays a "Jewish Nation". Zionism is literally the belief that Israel must keep the tanks rolling to protect Jewish Nationalism

You're missing(or more likely know and are choosing to omit) context here. @Graffiti, whom I am in the mentioned discord with, and publicly told him how and why he was coming off as a zionazi in these exchanges imo, had reported blatant antisemitic hate speech from involved users on previous occasions, which was overlooked and excused by the section moderators because as always, a small group of users in civics are routinely given a pass by the moderators of that section to say and do anything they want to anybody at any time because of them being on the morally correct side(which I am not disputing) with zero repercussions. Literal, unapologetic calls for the eradication of Jews in plain language are bad actually, and the users attacking @Graffiti were the same ones liking and positively quoting ZTP'd posts along those lines. NORMALLY, the policy has been to ban people who support ZTP'd posts too, not in this case.

Those previous, unaddressed issues were factoring in to the arguments in that thread and in discord, as well as the forum's response to it. This discord "vent session" was started by one of the involved users logging in after months specifically to attack him some more when the thread(s) died. Completely shutting down discussions or even entire topics of conversation for an extended period if people can't engage without justifying genocide one way or the other is normal forum moderator activity.

Using this thread to try and open that thread of conversation back up after the lot of you got an entire section of the forum nuked speaks more to why the section was shut down than anything. Hopefully when/if it opens back up there's plans in place to stop giving immunity to bad actors with an agenda.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Sheep

The civics section finally getting muted for a bit is such a blessing omg that one user's profile is about to have like 40k hidden posts as we speak

civics can go if it weeds out certain members x

12 minutes ago, Sheep said:

You're missing(or more likely know and are choosing to omit) context here. @Graffiti, whom I am in the mentioned discord with, and publicly told him how and why he was coming off as a zionazi in these exchanges imo

I'm not sure it's actually clever to openly admit to the very accusations you're trying to deny in the defense you're posting.

So there was official discussions related to forum policy on a Discord server?

And some users are meant to trust this was done in good faith? When said discussions involved attacking users who are not even part of said Discord and couldn't give their opinion to comments made about them? Posts degrading them? Would someone like myself be meant to trust this is in good faith finding out my username was being used by some as a verb?

I don't care if any member of staff, for example, isn't a fan of any user or myself - my hot takes, or my musical opinions, or even my writing style. People are allowed to not like other people. But for you to admit that major changes to be done with the forum were discussed on some server between staff and non-staff members and said decisions' reasoning apparently involved referencing forum members not even part of these servers, and who don't involve themselves in such personal, off-site drama, is extremely questionable.

The user you're defending angrily messaged and harassed users on both ATRL and Discord about the definition of Zionism.

How does this align with your claim? They made an original claim of site-wide antisemitism and that such was apparently due to a "clique" (?) of "tankies"?

But now you're saying the issue is actually the "section mods"? Don't all mods have the ability to view reports?

And the solution was to hide an entire section to appease the concerns of a user who had to just have a thread hidden because other moderators - those not even moderating the Civics section - found their aggressive and harassing posts unfairly hostile?

Again, it's just incoherent to accuse others of being "dangerous authoritarians" as this user has done yet in the same breath demand the censuring of entire broad discussion topics because said user cannot force people to accept their personal bias for a type of ethnic nationalism.

"Politics should not be discussed on ATRL as long as people don't accept Jewish Nationalism" is a horrific demand.

It's jarring as someone who has posted on this forum for a decade about politics, even as far back when members were openly allowed to post far-right rhetoric about immigration in Europe, and who was repeatedly harassed and mass down-voted for not supporting European ethno-nationalism and white ethno-states... to now be accused by someone defending Zionism of "you only care cause it's Jews".

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Communion

jesus fucking christ. please log out.

1 minute ago, Communion said:

I'm not sure it's actually clever to openly admit to the very accusations you're trying to deny in the defense you're posting.

How do you not make it past the second sentence of a post without immediately trying to mischaracterize what was said? The entire point of saying that is to say I'm not rlly defending what was said in those threads. I didn't really engage with them beyond skimming to see that I disagreed with what was being said and could understand where the meltdown was coming from.

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

So there was official discussions related to forum policy on a Discord server?

There is a discord server that anybody can request an invite to from the thread that has had a website banner and pinned thread for like 6 months now. Your pro-genocide oomf started the conversation about this situation by randomly logging on to lash Graffiti. The only official communication was that mods are discussing it and that this situation is what got civics closed. It's not some exclusive club.

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

The user you're defending angrily messaged and harassed users on both ATRL and Discord about the definition of Zionism.

As I saw it, @Gov Hooka was who started on Discord.

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

How does this align with your claim? They made an original claim of site-wide antisemitism and that such was apparently due to a "clique" (?) of "tankies"?

But now you're saying the issue is actually the "section mods"? Don't all mods have the ability to view reports?

If you don't see how a group of bad faith posters being enabled and under-moderation go together, then I'm not sure you're qualified to discuss this at all in the first place.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Sheep

The way @Graffiti went from the most loved post via dragging me to the most hated via stanning Gwenyth Paltrow on the same day was not in my playbook.

48 minutes ago, Harry_ said:

is the huge ass "banner" before every post like @Pomegranate is doing even allowed?

like girl no one needs to see that and it's taking up space. i'm seeing it everywhere and it doesn't contribute anything to the discussion

i don't think that's how do you this sort of personal branding?

I like it. They are the modern version of this person.

ramble

… Vin

(Gif)

Anyway notice how I pointed out that there are users that were agreeing with and liking ZTP posts and Communion didn't even bat an eyelash or think to respond to it at all, despite normally being the head pearl clutcher of ATRL, specifically because of the group that was being targeted. I won't be engaging further, I cleared the air already for anybody else reading that skewed nonsense at the top of the page. Reply to the wall.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Sheep

I might be late but why is it impossible to paste a YouTube link on mobile

I copy the link and theres no option to paste just "select all"

4 minutes ago, Sheep said:

The entire point of saying that is to say I'm not rlly defending what was said in those threads.

Then you surely have no business trying to defend a user for what they said and cannot defend them for what they did say.

5 minutes ago, Sheep said:

there is a discord server that anybody can request an invite to

That people do not want to be part of this Discord yet find themselves being mentioned and discussed would make it clear the intentions of the conversations that occurred there were then not done in good faith.

6 minutes ago, Sheep said:

As I saw it, @Gov Hooka was who started on Discord.

Several users mentioned in the now-hidden Civics thread that he angrily messaged them on here. This occurring before any Discord drama - sounds like the problematic behavior is far more common on Discord than here!

9 minutes ago, Sheep said:

If you don't see how a group of bad faith poster

Again, your claim for some evidence of site-wide antisemitism is... a user who privately messaged multiple users on here to harass them over not supporting Zionism and who was told by a mod that they were being hostile themselves before the thread was hidden? Why not make that thread public again so everyone can judge for themselves?

It sounds like the solution would be to perma-ban both Graffiti and GovHooka for harassing people, not do massive forum changes in the middle of the night in the background that result in users who are minding their business - and who actively avoid forum drama - being told that they're being discussed - and even being called slurs - in a Discord they're not even part of.

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

So there was official discussions related to forum policy on a Discord server?

No It's a public atrl server with gays talking about hole next to zionism you could join for yourself and read it. It's funny bc I found the posts you're referencing in .25 seconds bc your little friend sent you screencaps- none of the people discussing 'forum policy' were/are mods

But for you to admit that major changes to be done with the forum were discussed on some server between staff and non-staff members and said decisions' reasoning apparently involved referencing forum members not even part of these servers, and who don't involve themselves in such personal, off-site drama, is extremely questionable.

@Sheep isn't a mod and discussing things offhand isn't indicative of major site changes regardless. Under this stupid ******* assumption everytime @Rian changes the png of the site logo we have to hold a city hall census and once again, it's open to ANYBODY to join and backread and discuss girl.

The user you're defending angrily messaged and harassed users on both ATRL and Discord about the definition of Zionism.

The thing youre mentioning here being a single @ mention to a user on Discord that I found in .25 seconds with some basic word searching lordd just join there if you wanna see what actually happened you have all of the tools at your disposal and are refusing to engage with them... wait this sounds like many of your posts that would rot all of the civics threads- something's clicking

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Then you surely have no business trying to defend a user for what they said and cannot defend them for what they did say.

That people do not want to be part of this Discord yet find themselves being mentioned and discussed would make it clear the intentions of the conversations that occurred there were then not done in good faith.

Several users mentioned in the now-hidden Civics thread that he angrily messaged them on here. This occurring before any Discord drama - sounds like the problematic behavior is far more common on Discord than here!

Again, your claim for some evidence of site-wide antisemitism is... a user who privately messaged multiple users on here to harass them over not supporting Zionism and who was told by a mod that they were being hostile themselves before the thread was hidden? Why not make that thread public again so everyone can judge for themselves?

It sounds like the solution would be to perma-ban both Graffiti and GovHooka for harassing people, not do massive forum changes in the middle of the night in the background that result in users who are minding their business - and who actively avoid forum drama - being told that they're being discussed - and even being called slurs - in a Discord they're not even part of.

11 minutes ago, Sheep said:

Anyway notice how I pointed out that there are users that were agreeing with and liking ZTP posts and Communion didn't even bat an eyelash or think to respond to it at all, despite normally being the head pearl clutcher of ATRL, specifically because of the group that was being targeted. I won't be engaging further, I cleared the air already for anybody else reading that skewed nonsense at the top of the page. Reply to the wall.

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

Would someone like myself be meant to trust this is in good faith finding out my username was being used by some as a verb?

When people find you insufferable idk how you expect them to talk about you, you reap what you sow.

2 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

It's a public atrl server with gays talking about hole next to zionism you could join for yourself and read it.

Why would someone want to be on a Discord with a user who PM's users on here to angrily harass them for not supporting Jewish Nationalism?

I've never sent a single user on here a PM to yell at or angrily scream at them. Why would it ever be that serious?

Again, this pearl-clutching over a user like GovHooka while defending some serial harasser like Graffiti doing such in the name of defending Zionsim makes no sense.

So is ATRL a music forum again?

2 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

When people find you insufferable idk how you expect them to talk about you, you reap what you sow.

I mean, then why would you be outraged that multiple users find Graffiti insufferable with his 2+ years on here defending Zionism?

If the issue that GovHooka went out of their way to message him on Discord, it seems both he and Graffiti need to realize harassing people is asocial behavior and not something that should be tolerated. I'm not even sure why my name would need to be brought up or massive forum changes would need to happen for two users who should swiftly banned for actions myself and other users would never do.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Communion

1 minute ago, Johnny Jacobs said:

So is ATRL a music forum again?

That depends on if you consider TLPSG and/or Mayhem music

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Why would someone want to be on a Discord with a user who PM's users on here to angrily harass them for not supporting Jewish Nationalism?

I've never sent a single user on here a PM to yell at or angrily scream at them. Why would it ever be that serious?

Again, this pearl-clutching over a user like GovHooka while defending some serial harasser like Graffiti doing such in the name of defending Zionsim makes no sense.

You do realize that 99.999999% of the discussion in the ATRL OFFICIAL discord server would be about pop music, and that those websites (like this one) have a block button right? Mind you i didnt defend anybody I'm just pointing out how dumb you look. Notice how I didnt even mention the person I called 'your little friend' by name and you confirmed it in an instant lord this is a kii

1 minute ago, Communion said:

I mean, then why would you be outraged that multiple users find Graffiti insufferable with his 2+ years on here defending Zionism?

If the issue that GovHooka went out of their way to message him on Discord, it seems both he and Graffiti need to realize harassing people is asocial behavior and not something that should be tolerated.

idek graffiti like that and made no reference to defend him, you're willfully misreading any post i made and making your own truth up (like you always do). i just find you to be a general menace to this site and saw an opportunity to clock the opportunist

Edited June 14Jun 14 by lgaga1fan

Just now, lgaga1fan said:

You do realize that 99.999999% of the discussion in the ATRL OFFICIAL discord server would be about pop music, and that those websites (like this one) have a block button right?

And it sounds like both Graffiti and GovHooka did something idioitic and wrong in harassing people and should be banned.

Why would a Zionist's bad behavior and him fighting with a user crossing a line on Discord involve myself or any other progressive user on here?

2 minutes ago, Sheep said:

That depends on if you consider TLPSG and/or Mayhem music

Im currently considering LPSG sis