Something I have noticed in the past couple of years, is artists who use writing camps (and it’s very clear on their albums) seem to be falling into oblivion or struggling for relevancy. Eg. Ava Max, Zara Larsson, Selena Gomez, Katy Perry etc) 

 

And artists who clearly write their own songs and have a “brand of songwriting” seem to be coming more and more prominent. 
 

Do you feel like artists who rely on writing camps for their artistry are mostly done for or do you think there’s going to be a resurge? 
 

thoughts? 

Dua and kpop artists like Blackpink are successful

 

I think there's still a market for it, it's just most writing camp'd singers don't seem to be making good music (Ava's music is really C-list cheap sounding music)

 

It's also possible that the songwriting branded artists are also using writing camps.

Doesn't Beyonce has 9+ writers for each song on her last album?

 

Generally, I fail to believe that a pop artist sits by herself to write songs and then records them without second opinions. 

not really. proof: bey, rihanna, dua 

Almost every popular song in the charts comes from songwriting camps. For marketing purposes, they're sold as ~homegrown~ and ~self-made~ in order to make them seem as more relatable.

The concept isn’t over, though the artists may be. Those that rely on writing camps are only as good as they are relevant/youthful/marketable & capable of securing label investment to pay for these sessions. 
 

Anyone that needs to rely on others to write their music is on an inevitable road to expiration, and these writers will move on to the shiny, new, next project they’re hired for with their material, unless you’re a legend & look impressive on a resume/portfolio. 

Dua has had several hits recently, so I would say no

Dua, Bey and Rih, three of the biggest MPGs, still use them 

Camps may be outdated but songs getting tossed over until someone doesn't reject them may still be a thing so I don't think anything has really changed.

24 minutes ago, sourtwink said:

not really. proof: bey, rihanna, dua 

 

3 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

Dua, Bey and Rih, three of the biggest MPGs, still use them 

 

Not totally but it's not really the standard for launching an artist anymore.

 

However some of these writing camp songs are better than the self-important "written in my diary" ones. A good song is a good song 

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25 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Almost every popular song in the charts comes from songwriting camps. For marketing purposes, they're sold as ~homegrown~ and ~self-made~ in order to make them seem as more relatable.

Pretty much this

3 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

Not totally but it's not really the standard for launching an artist anymore.

 

However some of these writing camp songs are better than the self-important "written in my diary" ones. A good song is a good song 

And anyone who believes the self-important written in my diary songs were actually written in the singer's bedroom and not in a room set up especially for that purpose is a fool.

1 minute ago, KillingYourCareer said:

And anyone who believes the self-important written in my diary songs were actually written in the singer's bedroom and not in a room set up especially for that purpose is a fool.

You could probably count the amount of artists who actually do that on one hand; the whole singer/songwriter persona has been hijacked by major labels trying to develop talent 

6 minutes ago, Blue Monday said:

You could probably count the amount of artists who actually do that on one hand; the whole singer/songwriter persona has been hijacked by major labels trying to develop talent 

Those artists are just victims of the dream sold lately by major labels that anyone can make it from writing songs in their bedroom. Nearly all the artists they launch are either born in the industry or tied to it in some way. But relatability sells more than anything these days, celebrities are supposed to be your average friend and not superstars above everyone, and it'll keep being this way as long as there's public demand for it.

Not sure what you mean but no, co-writers are not out of style and never will be lol

Dua Lipa.

Nah, I don't really think there's even anyone on the mainstream who writes completely by themselves. 

Blackpink is alive and well 

 

dont know if they count as a writing camp group tho since they basically exclusively work with their in house producers except for a handful of songs

A lot of the artists you mentioned are interchangeable, that’s their death sentence

not writing camps 

 

Beyonce is right there

Girl writing camps are still a thing, labels just brand artists as singer-songwriters and add them to the credits for changing one word 

no  it's just done more secretly now to make the public think that every artist is writing every word of their own song

Being a singer-songwriter as a brand has cheapened these past few years because a lot of new acts have claimed to be ones despite only changing a word or a line in a song. 
Writing camps will never go out of style as long as the music industry lives on. Livelihoods are at stake