These are the same people who sit out of the election. Priviledged self righterous ****

5 hours ago, aadrl1 said:

Progressives are so funny

French wannabes

French people sweetie, im so sorry

American "progressives" are so narcissistic and short sighted they could never come close tbh

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6 hours ago, Gov Hooka said:

I know it's really hard for you to understand these concepts (because you just concern troll on any political topic about Hasan piker and amber heard lmao on this site) but the man just gave $26 million to Zionist Jewish orgs like the JCRC. Jewish New Yorkers are some of the most privileged groups in the city so resources do not need to be diverted towards them when other groups ACTUALLY FACE SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION.

He should be protested profusely for bending the knee to his Zionist Jewish handlers like NYPD commissioner Tisch

I love that your arguments increasingly lean on a certain form of prejudice just not actually existing

Nick Fuentes remains a very relevant podcaster in the US along with many others like him, and you want to double down on the idea that anti semitism doesn't exist. Right

Also-

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He needs the periodic reminder on who voted him in office and why he was voted into office. It was left wing mobilization and a hard line on Israel that got him to where he was. No leftist is naive to think he won't bend the knee when pressured by massive Zionist players; power corrupts and one person cannot change a system. But a small disruption can be a start.

The idea that now he's in power leftists should back off is exactly the reason why social movement is so easily coopted by liberal politics. Change has to be material. Stop pointing the finger to people who actually go outside and demand it of people who are there to serve us.

The most popular response to his tweet btw

but yall want to keep hitting him from the other side lmao, this is why no left wing revolution will ever happen

So the zios have him now... What a dissapointment. These people are cancer and he is giving psy-op.

Mamdani is about as left as you can get for a New York mayor . The funny thing is, the right are attacking him for bringing up Palestine in his speech and eating in a Palestinian restaurant. With that in mind it seems like he's being fair if both sides are at him.

Sadly, I am not surprised. There is a part of the extreme left movement that is self-destructive and counter productive.

I am pro Palestine and left oriented but this is getting ridiculous.

This is what happens when politics are on the extremes as much as they are in the US atm. The moment somebody has some nuance they will be attacked. It happens all the time on this forum so idk why are yall surprised.

While he is trying to tackle the real problems that affect poor people, his own supporters, of course the college educated wealthy ones, are going to cancel him for not wording things the way they want him to to the benefit of no one in need in the only place he can help.

The left always eat their own.

people really do lack critical thinking skills

I don't have any interest engaging with the clown car, so don't bother quoting.

I hope this continues to demonstrate how insane and unreasonable many of these people are. I feel many users on this website have been taken in by the most crazed voices on here.

We just witness the same pattern over and over. And online echo chambers where these people seem to wield a lot of power are not real life. In reality, people see this type of response to what Mamdani actually did/said and correctly recognize it as utterly insane. It greatly damages the movement. This hostility will also ultimately prevent the DSA from gaining and wielding real political power.

A violent revolution is not coming in the USA. If you believe that, you are a Christian waiting for the rapture. And even if it did (it won't), you're more likely to get a strong man dictator than an impossible communist utopia. Victory must be achieved electorally and until the far left learns how to not constantly consume its own, that won't happen for them.

3 hours ago, Archetype said:

So, the lack of a buffer zone didn't stop these events from taking place. Adding a buffer zone still doesn't change anything, and what is the buffer zone? 10 feet? 5 blocks? Also, are these real estate transactions legally recorded in the state of NY? I don't know if the city has the authority to ban the sale of land in certain regions of the world, that would likely be the responsibility of the state and federal government. And of course, that requires these transactions to be properly investigated. It seems like a very low priority for the mayor of the largest city in the US.

I'm not against what they're protesting, but I think they're protesting the wrong person/people.

1) The buffer zone is a violation of the first amendment right to assembly. There's a reason why anti-abortion protestors have been successful at being allowed to protest outside abortion clinics. You can't block people from entering or leaving a place but you have the fundamental right to assemble and protest as you view.

The city council has the right to override his veto so it was an odd decision to not show even just a symbolic recognition to the people who got him elected into office.

2) it's illegal in NYC to sell any kind of real estate on the basis of religion or ethnicity. Holding land sales in a Jewish place of worship is effectively selling homes exclusively to Jewish people in practice and he could push the DA to try and use this reasoning to get the practice to stop.

I just reject the premise that there is some unfair high bar people are being asked to clear.

He couldn't arrest Bibi yet largely remained his support because, when being faced with the reality he didn't have the authority, he still rhetorically signaled his support back to the cause and people who got him into office.

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I think two things can exist alongside each other. Mamdani does deserve recognition for trying his hardest to make live in NYC more affordable, arguably more than any other mayor but simultaneously people are allowed to be disappointed that he didn't assert his power when he could on another issue that was also important to many people that helped elect him.

I'd hope while they're rightfully holding Mamdani accountable, they'll also be protesting the actual people who are in power rn, and who unlike Mamdani, isn't on their side at all. But somehow that doesn't happen.

8 hours ago, YourFavoriteWeapon said:

Mamdani sympathizing with Oct 7 victims who were brutally murdered by Hamas and being against the rise in antisemitism and Jew hatred = Mamdani is a Zionist according to these people, despite how he's staunchly anti-Israel. You can't win

I'm so embarrassed for the people who downvoted you for this.... ick.

37 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I don't have any interest engaging with the clown car, so don't bother quoting.

I hope this continues to demonstrate how insane and unreasonable many of these people are. I feel many users on this website have been taken in by the most crazed voices on here.

We just witness the same pattern over and over. And online echo chambers where these people seem to wield a lot of power are not real life. In reality, people see this type of response to what Mamdani actually did/said and correctly recognize it as utterly insane. It greatly damages the movement. This hostility will also ultimately prevent the DSA from gaining and wielding real political power.

A violent revolution is not coming in the USA. If you believe that, you are a Christian waiting for the rapture. And even if it did (it won't), you're more likely to get a strong man dictator than an impossible communist utopia. Victory must be achieved electorally and until the far left learns how to not constantly consume its own, that won't happen for them.

Horseshoe Theory scoring points again.

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40 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

I don't have any interest engaging with the clown car, so don't bother quoting.

I hope this continues to demonstrate how insane and unreasonable many of these people are. I feel many users on this website have been taken in by the most crazed voices on here.

We just witness the same pattern over and over. And online echo chambers where these people seem to wield a lot of power are not real life. In reality, people see this type of response to what Mamdani actually did/said and correctly recognize it as utterly insane. It greatly damages the movement. This hostility will also ultimately prevent the DSA from gaining and wielding real political power.

A violent revolution is not coming in the USA. If you believe that, you are a Christian waiting for the rapture. And even if it did (it won't), you're more likely to get a strong man dictator than an impossible communist utopia. Victory must be achieved electorally and until the far left learns how to not constantly consume its own, that won't happen for them.

******* YUP.

The left will continue to shoot themselves in the foot because they refuse to see the nuance of a political figure. You don't have to agree Israel is a saint but what happened on Oct 7 is a tragedy. He very clearly called out the genocide and has called out Israel time and time again.

your leaders will never be the picture perfect wrap a bow figure you want them to be no matter who you elect because they're here to serve everyone not just a small group.

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1 hour ago, Orsay said:

I love that your arguments increasingly lean on a certain form of prejudice just not actually existing

Nick Fuentes remains a very relevant podcaster in the US along with many others like him, and you want to double down on the idea that anti semitism doesn't exist. Right

Also-

1) People holding specific bigoted views doesn't mean that the society they live in enables and supports those views and that this bigotry is a prominent form of systemic oppression.

For example, certain people certainly hold bigoted views of and discriminate against Atheists. As an Atheist in America, there is a real chance I could encounter someone wanting to discriminate against me for being an Atheist. That being true doesn't though then suddenly mean that the US systematically oppresses Atheists or that we're in a crisis of unchecked anti-Atheist hatred.

People did not take issue with "combatting antisemitism". Anti-Jewish hatred is clearly wrong. They took issue with the fact that the "Zionism is not Judaism" idea has to cut both ways but often doesn't. So you end up with literally all of the Jewish institutions who are going to receive the anti-discrimination education grant money being explicitly Zionist. Whether that be museums who teach school children that Israel has a right to exist or orgs who use their community services to help fund young Jewish Americans' trips to Israel on the claim of it being their "birthright".

2)

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Where is this energy for the actively hateful leaders who are encouraging and continuing the genocide?

I hate the Israeli government and actions as much as the next person, but what is the point of trying to bring Mamdani down? He isn't perfect, but his statement was well spoken and he attended a (supposedly..) peaceful vigil despite the racist comments from the far right.

6 hours ago, getBusy said:

Ok so depending on who you ask he's basically a member of Hamas and a sellout to the Zionists, both at the same time.

This timeline we live in is so useless.

This is it in a nutshell. Internet and social media bred extremism. Never ending purity tests. A total unwillingness to acknowledge that the world is more gray than a Marvel movie.

Yet another example of horseshoe behavior. More and more people on each side who believe this is all a cut and dry, good vs evil battle with no nuance or middle ground. It's a juvenile way of thinking, but one fostered by social media and the internet which always rewards the most outlandish, simplified, and reactionary responses. Much more algorithm catching than, "Some things are complicated."

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22 minutes ago, Tylerbv said:

Where is this energy for the actively hateful leaders who are encouraging and continuing the genocide?

I hate the Israeli government and actions as much as the next person, but what is the point of trying to bring Mamdani down? He isn't perfect, but his statement was well spoken and he attended a (supposedly..) peaceful vigil despite the racist comments from the far right.

The bold encapsulates the fundamental misunderstanding of movements, with liberals restricted by only ever understanding politics as elections.

Protests are only "taking down" if you view them mainly as an attempt to stop someone from getting elected to an office. Thus the common canard of "why don't you protest Republicans!". People who say that don't think Republicans can be convinced via protest to do things, they actually just want help with their election efforts against Republicans and nothing more.

But when understanding there's a clear list of material asks - and for which Mamdani already has received strident support if attempting to do something but failing to achieve it - that protestors ask him to acknowledge and attempt to make good on, especially when such promises were why anti-genocide voters were why he was elected into office to begin with.

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

The bold encapsulates the fundamental misunderstanding of movements, with liberals restricted by only ever understanding politics as elections.

Protests are only "taking down" if you view them mainly as an attempt to stop someone from getting elected to an office. Thus the common canard of "why don't you protest Republicans!". People who say that don't think Republicans can be convinced via protest to do things, they actually just want help with their election efforts against Republicans and nothing more.

But when understanding there's a clear list of material asks - and for which Mamdani already has received strident support if attempting to do something but failing to achieve it - that protestors ask him to acknowledge and attempt to make good on, especially when such promises were why anti-genocide voters were why he was elected into office to begin with.

Let's not act like the Twitter armies aren't throwing accusations at him left right and center. Just look at the comments on his latest tweet.

It's not always related to an election. Trying to ruin his image can make it harder for him to gain support and actually get stuff done. I don't agree with everything he's done either, but it is counterproductive to always target the most liberal or socially aware leaders. That perfect candidate that agrees with every single one of your points of view does not exist and never will.

5 minutes ago, Tylerbv said:

Let's not act like the Twitter armies aren't throwing accusations at him left right and center. Just look at the comments on his latest tweet.

It's not always related to an election. Trying to ruin his image can make it harder for him to gain support and actually get stuff done. I don't agree with everything he's done either, but it is counterproductive to always target the most liberal or socially aware leaders. That perfect candidate that agrees with every single one of your points of view does not exist and never will.

You're just fundamentally not saying an actual argument. You're just speaking in platitudes.

"Trying to ruin his image" - trying to get him to fulfill a policy promise is ruining his image? Huh? And didn't Zionists get what they wanted by leveraging the damage they could potentially do to his office?

"Agree with everything" - Again, what do you think a campaign promise Is?

Some of you do actually need to be interrogated and your feet held to the fire over how comfortable you are in making claims and generalizations that don't add up.

What you're saying is just not backed by evidence. "It's counterproductive to try and force politicians to do things". Then why are Jewish nationalists so successful at such?

Edited October 8Oct 8 by Communion