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It's so frustrating that the one time visuals were most needed was for her most sonically cinematic albums Renny and CC and we're not getting any.:katie: I wish she just said they were scrapped instead of calling it distracting cause nobody is believing you:rip:

16 minutes ago, Red Velvet said:

800k likes on this. :rip: The way her name has so much meaning 

 

skinny Snoopy looks so WRONG they better give that ***** some treats :chick3:

5 hours ago, QueenB said:

like what an insult to your own career by lying and saying visuals can just be a "distraction"..? Ma'am YOU teased a trailer for visuals, save us the word salad and just say you werent happy and plans changed. 

Especially for an artist like Bey whose visual artistry is a huge part of her legacy :rip:  She is known for her music videos and live performances (ironically the two things she's pulled back from the most) and hasn't done anything remotely interesting to get people to invest in this music she's "worked so hard" to make.

 

Where's the logic in that? How does it make sense to spend years crafting a 3-act musical project and then let it bleed out because you can't be bothered to promote it?

1 minute ago, R.E.M. said:

Especially for an artist like Bey whose visual artistry is a huge part of her legacy :rip:  She is known for her music videos and live performances (ironically the two things she's pulled back from the most) and hasn't done anything remotely interesting to get people to invest in this music she's "worked so hard" to make.

 

Where's the logic in that? How does it make sense to spend years crafting a 3-act musical project and then let it bleed out because you can't be bothered to promote it?

I dont know why I had people thumbs downing what I said, plus it's a bit insulting to the people who DID work on her visuals that she won't release it because it's "distracting" 

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Just now, QueenB said:

I dont know why I had people thumbs downing what I said, plus it's a bit insulting to the people who DID work on her visuals that she won't release it because it's "distracting" 

:suburban:

Speak on it. Hundreds of people from crew, set designers, hair/makeup, costume and wardrobe team, editors, etc. banking on this opportunity to further their careers and she just **** all over them. Sure they got paid, but the exposure that comes with doing a Beyoncé project is just flushed down the toilet.

4 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

Especially for an artist like Bey whose visual artistry is a huge part of her legacy :rip:  She is known for her music videos and live performances (ironically the two things she's pulled back from the most) and hasn't done anything remotely interesting to get people to invest in this music she's "worked so hard" to make.

 

Where's the logic in that? How does it make sense to spend years crafting a 3-act musical project and then let it bleed out because you can't be bothered to promote it?

Because she's been there and done that so many times it has become the new formula for her. Remember she broke away from the formula when she did '4' and I think she needed to do something different to reinvigorate her rollouts.

 

We also have to take into account Beyoncé gave up ALL of her teens years and her 20's along with a huge chunk of her 30's to be who she is today. At this point, she's more concerned about her family and well being than she is about music. Her priorities have shifted and it's valid and warranted. I mean, she says in the article she tried to tour when the kids are on summer vacation, and she wants them to be normal. Can you honestly blame her after what the world did and said about Blue? 

 

Beyoncé is a Virgo and she's an earth sign. The last thing that woman will do is spend money unnecessarily and scrap something because she doesn't like it. She'll rework just about anything for it to make sense. You see how people are so hungry for visuals instead of actually listening to the music? Thats specifically her point. 

6 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

Speak on it. Hundreds of people from crew, set designers, hair/makeup, costume and wardrobe team, editors, etc. banking on this opportunity to further their careers and she just **** all over them. Sure they got paid, but the exposure that comes with doing a Beyoncé project is just flushed down the toilet.

the way I said this 2 years ago too. Imagine how Nadia Lee Cohen feels, she spent YEARS making this project for Beyoncé, time she couldve used directing other projects that will actually see a release. I would not be surprised if she says something shady about Beyoncé in the next year about wasting her time, and she has every right to :michael:

 

 

1 hour ago, KRZYINLUV said:

y'all love to be dense and dumb. The press release for Renaissance said that visuals were coming at a later date. Parkwood ALSO posted about the Renaissance visual drop. There's been CONFIRMED reports of her filming several films and also a Renaissance film being shopped to different streamers. TS Madison has also said that what she's up to is OTHERWORLDLY. It's not that the visuals aren't coming, the music is enough for NOW. Also, we have so many other things to worry about and fight for. We're getting visuals 2026 because ACT III is closer than one would think. :) 

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Girl aint no visuals coming...

Admittedly, I haven't read the entire interview, but what was the point? Was she pushing the whiskey or Cecred? Lord knows she wasn't promoting the album. She could've just sat there and smoked her cigar and not sent the entire hive into tailspins lmao

What about fans outside NA and Europe that couldn't attend the tour or see the film? :chick3:

2 hours ago, KRZYINLUV said:

y'all love to be dense and dumb. The press release for Renaissance said that visuals were coming at a later date. Parkwood ALSO posted about the Renaissance visual drop. There's been CONFIRMED reports of her filming several films and also a Renaissance film being shopped to different streamers. TS Madison has also said that what she's up to is OTHERWORLDLY. It's not that the visuals aren't coming, the music is enough for NOW. Also, we have so many other things to worry about and fight for. We're getting visuals 2026 because ACT III is closer than one would think. :) 

Or she might have suddenly changed her mind, simple as that. It's not far-fetched.

29 minutes ago, Mr. Specialist said:

I do hope ACT III comes before the next tour. 
 

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It has to.

I believe she's planning a tour for the trilogy, not just for CC.

1 hour ago, R.E.M. said:

Speak on it. Hundreds of people from crew, set designers, hair/makeup, costume and wardrobe team, editors, etc. banking on this opportunity to further their careers and she just **** all over them. Sure they got paid, but the exposure that comes with doing a Beyoncé project is just flushed down the toilet.

Plus Parkwood is producing so Beyonce is paying for making these visuals. It's a waste of millions of dollars of her her own money but I guess she doesn't mind taking a financial L if it's in her heart to not release visuals.

 

I hate to say it but I wonder if the haters saying she needed visuals for Lemonade and Self titled to get critical acclaim and the snubs Black is King got inspired her to not do it.

 

it seems to me even though she says she's unbothered that Beyonce does actually  take hater criticism to heart  and likes to proving her opps wrong  because she did a deep dive on country music all because the CMAs disrespected and booed her. 
 

I hope she returns to Queen of R&B for her next album and doesn't do rock. It's not a coincidence Cuff it and Virgos groove are the songs that are acclaimed and have aged the best from Renee and 4 is her fave album. She's the Queen of R&B and she needs to start claiming that the way Mariah claims Queen of Christmas and Mary is Hip hop/soul. 

Sorry but this is pathetic. Drag me all you want, she is acting like she didn't film them already and this was the plan all along to have no visuals. I could get Renaissance visuals going wrong or whatever, but she would've had time to film (We know she has) a few videos for CC and correct the mistakes from the previous era, even if they went wrong too, so this makes no sense? Wtf is she at? She knows we want visuals so is she really going to give us nothing for act 3? Unless she doesn't want to say they are coming. Saying the film is the visuals, not everyone got to see that. This is a ******* mess and she deserves to be dragged. 3 eras with not 1 video, that's a disgrace. 
 

Also interview through email :rip: she is like a different person now 

 

On a positive note, she looks great. Hate the cigars this era though. 

OK you guys, correct me if I'm wrong...

  1. Beyonce filmed the Beyince visual album even before the Renaissance visuals because it was planned to drop first.
  2. Nadia Lee Cohen worked with Beyonce on Renaissance after shooting Beyince, when Beyonce decided she was making a trilogy.
  3. Parkwood decided to lead with Renaissance, anticipating a desire for dance music post-pandemic.
  4. Renaissance as a visual album wasn't completed in time for the album's release (as evidenced by the fact we saw them shoot Break My Soul in Bushwick after the album released). This was probably partly due to Beyonce's knee injury, but also because Acts I and II were switched at the last minute. Beyince Film was ready to drop, but Renaissance Film was not.
  5. Parkwood drop the album alongside a note to explain the visuals would be released soon.
  6. Parkwood drops the Cliquebait teaser to drive up hype for Break My Soul during release week to nab that number one.
  7. Shooting wraps on Renaissance, a Teaser is edited and released for the visuals
  8. Beyonce cannot settle on a final edit of the film. For whatever reason, she is unhappy with the end result. 
  9. Beyonce goes through knee surgery, preventing her from re-shooting the visuals anytime soon.
  10. Dubai performance: Beyonce wants to maintain her image of thee perfect performer despite her not being fully healed from surgery. She tries to ban phones. This fails. She goes viral for DiL outro and limping.
  11. The anticipation for Renaissance visuals continues to drive speculation and streams of the album, which has incredible legs culturally mainly due to so much intrigue as to how Beyonce will flesh out this new world (tour? visuals? interview? etc.)
  12. Amidst the anticipation, Cuff It takes off thanks to a viral tiktok challenge. Outlets pose the question: if Bey wont release visuals, will the hive make them ourselves?
  13. The Rennie World Tour is announced, smashes ticket sales records.
  14. The Rennie World Tour opens. Multiple set pieces are obviously inspired by the visuals we haven't seen. Bey is still clearly recovering.
  15. "You've asked for the visuals, You've called for the queen" interlude an attempt to pacify fan demand while not committing to ever actually releasing them.
  16. "You are the visuals, baby."--our first indication she's scrapped the project? Or a troll?
  17. The Rennie Tour wraps, Beyonce is overjoyed, she has fully recovered from her knee injury, the album's legacy has been solidified.
  18.  The Rennie Film is announced. Cinema websites list the director as 'Nadia Lee Cohen', suggesting that Parkwood may have been shipping two different projects to theatre chains (the Bey directed tour doc and the Cohen directed visual album).
  19. Around this time, Beyonce re-works Beyince into Cowboy Carter, re-mixing songs, adding new features and recording Ya Ya.
  20. This now means the Beyince visual album is not able to be released--all these new songs were never filmed back in 2019 because they hadn't been recorded yet!
  21. Unfortunately, thousands of vinyls have already been pressed. Parkwood decide to sell them anyway rather than lose out on profit. Act II is announced, but Beyonce is yet to even re-shoot the Act II album cover.
  22. Superbowl. "Drop the new music."
  23. Nadia Lee Cohen re-posts the Act II Texas teaser to her instagram with the caption 'Coming Soon' - it's unclear whether this is insider knowledge or if she is just as in the dark about her own project as us.
  24. Cowboy Carter is released. Texas goes Number 1 off the back of another fan-video phenomenon. It becomes evident to Parkwood that they do not need visuals to sell music.
  25. No visuals drop for Cowboy Carter, but Beyonce is known to be recording footage in western bars and outlets. This footage is still yet to be released. It's not unlikely that these shoots are for music videos, but there's no sense that they will see imminent release.
  26. "The music is enough" interview is released. Beyonce confirms that, at least for now, no visual album is coming anytime soon. While the PR spin suggests this was always the plan, it's clear from the above that this was a decision made during the trilogy.
  27. Beyonce explains the thing that excites her most today is 'legacy and longevity'. It appears she continues to dangle the visuals carrot in order to build out this era of hers, and help it maintain momentum.
  28. The hive moans online that nobody even cares about visuals anymore, but viral tweets with 10s of thousands of likes, and their own ATRL rants suggest otherwise.

Edited by alien superstore

all i know is she didn't scrap them nnn she knows exactly what she's doing and there's not a single universe in which BEYONCÉ would publicly announce+confirm+tease visuals and not release them lol

49 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Sorry but this is pathetic. Drag me all you want, she is acting like she didn't film them already and this was the plan all along to have no visuals. I could get Renaissance visuals going wrong or whatever, but she would've had time to film (We know she has) a few videos for CC and correct the mistakes from the previous era, even if they went wrong too, so this makes no sense? Wtf is she at? She knows we want visuals so is she really going to give us nothing for act 3? Unless she doesn't want to say they are coming. Saying the film is the visuals, not everyone got to see that. This is a ******* mess and she deserves to be dragged. 3 eras with not 1 video, that's a disgrace. 
 

Also interview through email :rip: she is like a different person now 

 

On a positive note, she looks great. Hate the cigars this era though. 

She can't say they are coming when there's more than one year left for that because she knows how the hive would act. She just doesn't want us expecting them, they'll come when they have to. Nothing has changed from what we knew before the interview. 

4 hours ago, Red Velvet said:

I also take issue with her putting that pretentious spin on the reason for no visuals.

 

Acting like she never filmed any in the first place :rip: 

 

Its disrespectful to the fans.

With all love and respect, I really don't get takes like this. 

 

Beyonce is NOT about to come out and say: "So....Hive, I wasn't feeling the visuals we shot. So we're reshooting the whole thing" or "tbh chile, no streamer was tryna to buy it last year".

 

It's just not going to happen. Nor should it. 

 

So much of the music industry is smoke and mirrors. Even with our faves. It's part of the hoopla and a big part of what keeps the sheen on the shiniest stars.

 

I'm sorry, call me old school, but I've long liked my superstars with superhero-like auras. So, I'd rather go along with the spectacle, theatrics, and outright tricks (as is the case with this visual explanation of hers) rather than have her spill her own tea and come across like the average struggle-bus act doing-over an era. 

 

The stan in me, of course, wants the tea but, more than anything, I like my Beyonce giving the perfectionism she sold me on. She talks alot about not being on that wave anymore, but her continuing to BS about the reality of the visusls and generally continuing to slay to the degree she does lets me know that she's not being entirely upfront about "embracing imperfection".

1 hour ago, Bey said:

What about fans outside NA and Europe that couldn't attend the tour or see the film? :chick3:

 

When the 3 acts are released, she will release the visuals for all the projects, like a Marvel universe thing. I mean that's basically what she did with Black is King and the gift album but she will take it further this time, as Beyoncé usually does, she goes further and further in her art. She wont mention that right now because there is no point and in this social media age people want things so quickly, they just wont get it.  I always understood why she didn't release the visuals, she is trying new things with this trilogy and see how it goes. She has earned the right to experiment  like that after working for so long and so hard.

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