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Beyoncé

This is part 1 of the Beyoncé discussion.

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I've finally seen and understand the greatness that is 'IM THAT GIRL'. :jonny4:

I also wish she would have done a remix album for RENAISSANCE. 

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The visuals don't even matter to me anymore. Loved Renaissance but CC is a ******* bore.

2 hours ago, alien superstore said:

 

  1. The hive moans online that nobody even cares about visuals anymore, but viral tweets with 10s of thousands of likes, and their own ATRL rants suggest otherwise.

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I'm not positive that she isn't slowly killing her career with whatever method she's using to do whatever it is that's she doing, or not doing :rip:

Not to sound delusional but nowhere did she actually say no visuals were made or they were not coming.

 

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3 hours ago, alien superstore said:

OK you guys, correct me if I'm wrong...

  1. Beyonce filmed the Beyince visual album even before the Renaissance visuals because it was planned to drop first.
  2. Nadia Lee Cohen worked with Beyonce on Renaissance after shooting Beyince, when Beyonce decided she was making a trilogy.
  3. Parkwood decided to lead with Renaissance, anticipating a desire for dance music post-pandemic.
  4. Renaissance as a visual album wasn't completed in time for the album's release (as evidenced by the fact we saw them shoot Break My Soul in Bushwick after the album released). This was probably partly due to Beyonce's knee injury, but also because Acts I and II were switched at the last minute. Beyince Film was ready to drop, but Renaissance Film was not.
  5. Parkwood drop the album alongside a note to explain the visuals would be released soon.
  6. Parkwood drops the Cliquebait teaser to drive up hype for Break My Soul during release week to nab that number one.
  7. Shooting wraps on Renaissance, a Teaser is edited and released for the visuals
  8. Beyonce cannot settle on a final edit of the film. For whatever reason, she is unhappy with the end result. 
  9. Beyonce goes through knee surgery, preventing her from re-shooting the visuals anytime soon.
  10. Dubai performance: Beyonce wants to maintain her image of thee perfect performer despite her not being fully healed from surgery. She tries to ban phones. This fails. She goes viral for DiL outro and limping.
  11. The anticipation for Renaissance visuals continues to drive speculation and streams of the album, which has incredible legs culturally mainly due to so much intrigue as to how Beyonce will flesh out this new world (tour? visuals? interview? etc.)
  12. Amidst the anticipation, Cuff It takes off thanks to a viral tiktok challenge. Outlets pose the question: if Bey wont release visuals, will the hive make them ourselves?
  13. The Rennie World Tour is announced, smashes ticket sales records.
  14. The Rennie World Tour opens. Multiple set pieces are obviously inspired by the visuals we haven't seen. Bey is still clearly recovering.
  15. "You've asked for the visuals, You've called for the queen" interlude an attempt to pacify fan demand while not committing to ever actually releasing them.
  16. "You are the visuals, baby."--our first indication she's scrapped the project? Or a troll?
  17. The Rennie Tour wraps, Beyonce is overjoyed, she has fully recovered from her knee injury, the album's legacy has been solidified.
  18.  The Rennie Film is announced. Cinema websites list the director as 'Nadia Lee Cohen', suggesting that Parkwood may have been shipping two different projects to theatre chains (the Bey directed tour doc and the Cohen directed visual album).
  19. Around this time, Beyonce re-works Beyince into Cowboy Carter, re-mixing songs, adding new features and recording Ya Ya.
  20. This now means the Beyince visual album is not able to be released--all these new songs were never filmed back in 2019 because they hadn't been recorded yet!
  21. Unfortunately, thousands of vinyls have already been pressed. Parkwood decide to sell them anyway rather than lose out on profit. Act II is announced, but Beyonce is yet to even re-shoot the Act II album cover.
  22. Superbowl. "Drop the new music."
  23. Nadia Lee Cohen re-posts the Act II Texas teaser to her instagram with the caption 'Coming Soon' - it's unclear whether this is insider knowledge or if she is just as in the dark about her own project as us.
  24. Cowboy Carter is released. Texas goes Number 1 off the back of another fan-video phenomenon. It becomes evident to Parkwood that they do not need visuals to sell music.
  25. No visuals drop for Cowboy Carter, but Beyonce is known to be recording footage in western bars and outlets. This footage is still yet to be released. It's not unlikely that these shoots are for music videos, but there's no sense that they will see imminent release.
  26. "The music is enough" interview is released. Beyonce confirms that, at least for now, no visual album is coming anytime soon. While the PR spin suggests this was always the plan, it's clear from the above that this was a decision made during the trilogy.
  27. Beyonce explains the thing that excites her most today is 'legacy and longevity'. It appears she continues to dangle the visuals carrot in order to build out this era of hers, and help it maintain momentum.
  28. The hive moans online that nobody even cares about visuals anymore, but viral tweets with 10s of thousands of likes, and their own ATRL rants suggest otherwise.

The fact that I actually read all of this

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Downvoted because I told the truth and you all driving yourselves crazy over some ******* visuals. 

1 hour ago, Godontop said:

GQ looks maybe for new Era?:coffee:

No girl

 

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3 hours ago, mons†er said:

I've finally seen and understand the greatness that is 'IM THAT GIRL'. :jonny4:

I also wish she would have done a remix album for RENAISSANCE. 

Better late than never :clap3: 

 

Gonna be saying that a lot over these next few years I fear :dancehall:

The interview is actually a great read! Much like the Verizon commercial, Cécred, the music from the trilogy, the RENI tour film- there's a much greater sense of authenticity & personality that is extremely evident, rather than personal last minute touches.
 

It's a deep, but very light look into the mind of her current headspace- delusion and all. Her stubborn, self sabotaging is explained, but, greatly, not understood. Needing the personal escape from the preliminary activities of being an artist is understandable, but using this idea to rationalize doing absolutely nothing, is lazy. 
 

Having a marketing beast as a father and a team that pulled of "BEYONCÉ" AND "LEMONADE", let alone the multi-million dollar Pepsi deal to fund a year old show for a 2 year album, there's a laundry list of thoughtless promotion that could take place from her personal iPhone. It's nearly insulting to the fans to elaborate on the 'hard work' she's put into the trilogy, when the only time she truly engages with her core fan base is to sell a product of some sort. 
 

It's no longer insane, but utterly embarrassing to drag any visual into 2026-27, because she's going to want Act III to 'breathe' as well. It won't have the same effect as paying the rumors and leaked video shoots in 2013 dust, because the visuals, at least for RENI, have been announced, confirmed, teased, trolled every so often, to the point, there's been full concepts gaining traction. 
 

I've stated that her not revealing anything pertaining to any visuals for "COWBOY CARTER", besides the announcement teaser, is an effort to detach herself from anymore disappointment, because nothing is concrete. Despite those efforts, we know for a fact that  visuals were filmed for "BEYINCÉ", so to completely ignore the existence of both album's visuals is alarming. She has been filming for the trilogy since 2021, whose knows how many versions or how many whatever's she has, but the acting coy, so inspired by the music is late and tired. For the most part, ppl only care about RENI visuals anyway. 
 

By the last few words of the interview, I couldn't help but feels that it won't be long until the music no longer feeds her. She's talks about it as if she's still a hungry artist, but in reality, it feels like it's more so a personal luxury and alter ego outlet to release her imagination. Recording so much music and deciding years later to utilize it as a trilogy, but drag her feet to shoot visuals and tour, at the last minute is exhibit A & B. I see her retiring or taking a long needed break from the industry to fulfill the need to be present in the memories she's creating. 
 

Though I am glad she's taking the necessary steps to create a healthy mental lifestyle, I hope when these other worldly visuals are released, the thought 'of the music being enough and' and the time frame doesn't come back to scorn worse than "BLACK IS KING", because it's already panning out being dragged through a decade. 

She takes herself WAY too serious. That much is clear. All the praise eventually got to her. LA has tainted her

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32 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

She takes herself WAY too serious. That much is clear. All the praise eventually got to her. LA has tainted her

Well, this is the same woman that charged a laptop, waited for it to boot up, and then loosed a single tear to ask no one in particular, "Why did God give me this talent?" She then watched it back and thought it was a profound moment worthy of sharing.

 

Sooooo was it LA or has she always had this in her? This is nothing new, she just used to have more off the cuff human moments. 

15 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Well, this is the same woman that charged a laptop, waited for it to boot up, and then loosed a single tear to ask no one in particular, "Why did God give me this talent?" She then watched it back and thought it was a profound moment worthy of sharing.

 

Sooooo was it LA or has she always had this in her? This is nothing new, she just used to have more off the cuff human moments. 

Ok tea. But she seems even more in a bubble now.

Its like she doesnt realize that at the end of the day, she is just a musician making music. Shes not changing the world. The gatekeepers keep gatekeeping, the racists keep being racists. She just happened to be very lucky to be put in a situation where people admire her for her talent.

Yea, you have Shaboozey scoring a hit today because its en vogue for the season, but trust we wont see more black people having insane success in Country further down the line. 

Its the concept of privilege - those who have do NOT want to share it. Period. And as humans, those with privilege go to extreme lengths to maintain their privilege (in the most extreme case, to warfaring).

 

So fulfil your destiny hag and do what u were meant to do: Music and entertain.

Stop being such an annoying hag, it literally kills the enjoyment following you.

 

20 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Ok tea. But she seems even more in a bubble now.

Its like she doesnt realize that at the end of the day, she is just a musician making music. Shes not changing the world. The gatekeepers keep gatekeeping, the racists keep being racists. She just happened to be very lucky to be put in a situation where people admire her for her talent.

Yea, you have Shaboozey scoring a hit today because its en vogue for the season, but trust we wont see more black people having insane success in Country further down the line. 

Its the concept of privilege - those who have do NOT want to share it. Period. And as humans, those with privilege go to extreme lengths to maintain their privilege (in the most extreme case, to warfaring).

 

So fulfil your destiny hag and do what u were meant to do: Music and entertain.

Stop being such an annoying hag, it literally kills the enjoyment following you.

 

I'm crine, the hive stings mother like no other

12 hours ago, Burn said:

IF the plan was always for the visuals to be released after all 3 albums then there's no way they're coming at the same time, or even soon after act iii's release. She's said a few times about how she wants to give the music time to breathe so she'll definitely do that with the next album just as she did act I and ii. The visuals are more likely to come at least 6-12 months after act iii. So realistically we need to be prepared for another draught after act iii and it could be another 3-4 years from now that we actually get the visuals, if we ever do. :gaycat6:

That to me is insane. No one will care by that time lol

 

Waiting until 2027 to see alien superstar choreography is CRAZY.  
 

if no one watched BIK a year after the gift, why would anyone care FIVE YEARS after?

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12 hours ago, KRZYINLUV said:

y'all love to be dense and dumb. The press release for Renaissance said that visuals were coming at a later date. Parkwood ALSO posted about the Renaissance visual drop. There's been CONFIRMED reports of her filming several films and also a Renaissance film being shopped to different streamers. TS Madison has also said that what she's up to is OTHERWORLDLY. It's not that the visuals aren't coming, the music is enough for NOW. Also, we have so many other things to worry about and fight for. We're getting visuals 2026 because ACT III is closer than one would think. :) 

She easily could have changed her mind.

 

why are we acting like FWT wasn't filmed and edited for HBO before she scrapped it?

 

just because she teased it 2 years ago doesn't mean it's still coming 

 

I hope she's not overestimating the attention spans of this generation. If the idea is to release the visuals around 2027-2028 after the trilogy she'd be betting on a new generation of music listeners who have no idea she's one of the greatest visual artist of all time to want to see it. 

1 hour ago, yonsé said:

She easily could have changed her mind.

 

why are we acting like FWT wasn't filmed and edited for HBO before she scrapped it?

 

just because she teased it 2 years ago doesn't mean it's still coming 

The difference is she never said that was coming at all. And she didn't tease it only 2 years ago: there's the Parkwood Halloween tweet, there's the tour interlude, the Amen lyric video connecting with the I'm That Girl teaser, Nadia Lee Cohen being allowed to say she directed the visuals for Cowboy Carter, her using images from the visuals in the SirDavis commercial just last week, etc. 

 

If they were scrapped I think she would be clear about it after all of that. 

13 hours ago, KRZYINLUV said:

y'all love to be dense and dumb. The press release for Renaissance said that visuals were coming at a later date. Parkwood ALSO posted about the Renaissance visual drop. There's been CONFIRMED reports of her filming several films and also a Renaissance film being shopped to different streamers. TS Madison has also said that what she's up to is OTHERWORLDLY. It's not that the visuals aren't coming, the music is enough for NOW. Also, we have so many other things to worry about and fight for. We're getting visuals 2026 because ACT III is closer than one would think. :) 

I'm with you for the most part, because during the highs, lows, and dry spells, it's always been vital to me to keep the following facts at the forefront:

 

a) The Rennie press release ALWAYS specified "visuals at a latter date"

 

b) She literally shot multiple visuals! We have seen a lot via the tour interludes, leaked set pics and clips etc. 

 

c) Nadia Lee Cohen literally confimed a CC visual component is also in the bag and coming.

 

d) Frustrated as we are and as frustrating as it is: she actually never gave us a date. She's been vague from the get-go and even in this interview, her words aren't verbatim about there being no visuals. 

 

Putting all emotion and frustration aside and thinking fiscally, it's not a very "Beyonce" thing to do to spend MILLIONS on a venture and simply can it. It literally goes against her entire standing as a business wiz.

 

It makes WAY more sense for ish to have gone wrong with what was filmed (which she is not immune to) and regrouping to figure out a way forward and crucially a way TO THE BAG rather than blowing a bag on something that will never come out. I could even see the tea being that she plunged way more $$$$ into reshoots and re-imagining the visuals "to get it right" (a very Beyonce, Virgo, perfectionist thing to do) and THAT becoming part of the "success" story when  she gets the huge check she's seeking for the venture + the accolades it will receive.

 

At the same time, there is a first time for everything....including making a huge misstep like f**king up the visuals and genuinely scrapping them. It'd be very un-Beyonce and is IMO the most unlikely reality, but ultimately anything is technically possible. Even then it wouldn't be a stain on her legacy because she can always crutch on the fact that...nothing was ever promised or confirmed in terms of dates, details, or a concept (i.e. we may indeed be the visuals lol). 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Well, this is the same woman that charged a laptop, waited for it to boot up, and then loosed a single tear to ask no one in particular, "Why did God give me this talent?" She then watched it back and thought it was a profound moment worthy of sharing.

 

Sooooo was it LA or has she always had this in her? This is nothing new, she just used to have more off the cuff human moments. 

:dies: it reminded me of this GIF

 

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the fact that she recorded her hand typing nonsense (Z S D R) then her face like The Thinker :dies: truly one of a kind

18 hours ago, RedOne said:

Like @Kh-Loud has mentioned and it was what I was thinking as well that it's about the tour demand. She thinks if she just posts the whole concert on streaming it will diminish the exclusivity and rarity of her performances these days and decrease the demand for the tickets for her next tour that I assume is coming in 2025. 

But she usually uses her performances to increase the demand for the upcoming tour. This has been the case since MCSWT. Super Bowl '13…Super Bowl '16….Coachella '18…Dubai '23

 

3 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Well, this is the same woman that charged a laptop, waited for it to boot up, and then loosed a single tear to ask no one in particular, "Why did God give me this talent?" She then watched it back and thought it was a profound moment worthy of sharing.

 

Sooooo was it LA or has she always had this in her? This is nothing new, she just used to have more off the cuff human moments. 

This is fair, she literally sent a cease and desist to Buzzfeed for unflattering stills of her during a live performance which had already been broadcast across the globe. 

 

I like how seriously she takes herself, it keeps her out of drama and puts the focus on her art. We need more professionalism in the arts tbh.

1 hour ago, Titanbaddie said:

I hope she's not overestimating the attention spans of this generation. If the idea is to release the visuals around 2027-2028 after the trilogy she'd be betting on a new generation of music listeners who have no idea she's one of the greatest visual artist of all time to want to see it. 

The generation that have Black is King on streaming and...do not care about it in any way shape or form?

 

(That being said, I honestly don't think BiK is in any way close to her best work)

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