2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

"omg we're getting a red carpet LOOK in 8 months GET UP why are you not celebrating ??" 

 

* the red carpet look in question * 

 

stop being ungrateful, we just got an album with no copies of the actual album cover, and vinyls with a fraction of the songs on them.

You should be grateful for her trying to get rid of old stock and still having time to record "are you with me lions"

if you make a movie for an album people didn't like maybe don't wait a whole year to release it while you go on vacation if you don't want it to flop idk 

At most, we're getting a cute little duet between Bey and Blue. I highly doubt she's doing a whole other alternative soundtrack. It doesn't make sense.

she's probably not even doing music for it, the original songs are being held by Lin-Manuel Miranda. she'll have a couple lines with Blue, maybe have just one song on the soundtrack and that's it

 

i get being frustrated that she's not doing much for Cowboy Carter but like... it's definitely NOT because of this movie, so whatever

2 minutes ago, QueenB said:

stop being ungrateful, we just got an album with no copies of the actual album cover, and vinyls with a fraction of the songs on them.

You should be grateful for her trying to get rid of old stock and still having time to record "are you with me lions"

i mean you're right, we SHOULD feel lucky enough to have the chance to be scammed into buying incomplete vinyls and disintegrating merch to finance our fave's next holiday, after all that's the least we could do for her 

Meh, not concerned.  She always does a movie right around albums

 

Goldmember (the OG solo album which didn't come )

Fighting Temptations - Dangerously In Love

Dreamgirls - B'day

Cadillac Records / Obsessed - IA...SF

Epic - BEYONCE

Nothing for 4

Lion King - The Gift

 

 

I swear she just does movies to piggyback for album promo lol

 

 

8 minutes ago, matheusbep said:

she's probably not even doing music for it, the original songs are being held by Lin-Manuel Miranda. she'll have a couple lines with Blue, maybe have just one song on the soundtrack and that's it

 

i get being frustrated that she's not doing much for Cowboy Carter but like... it's definitely NOT because of this movie, so whatever

That's exactly what's gonna happen. Bey is not the music focus here this time, Nala must be a really small part on the film and she's just there for Blue.

Maybe we won't even get a song out of this

9 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

I swear she just does movies to piggyback for album promo lol

 

A clever giiirl 

1 hour ago, Rafael said:

This will not impact Act III at all because it's not like she will do anything for Mufasa promo wise . We will have an original song at max to look out for in November. That's it.

I doubt she will make a whole The Gift 2.0 album out of it.

 

If anything, this just confirms Act III isn't coming this year (which is more than OK) and it's a great platform for Blue's imminent entertainment carrer.

+ this already looks better than the first movie, it's not a remake it's an original story so it could hit different and Berry Jerkins is an amazing director so maaaybe this could do something.

 

I completely understand the frustrations but I don't think this is such a big deal.

Unpopular opinion but I have to agree. The Gift 2.0/BIK is definitely not coming (she hasn't even released visuals for her studio albums so why would she release anything for side projects?). She is part of the movie  probably because Disney's huge money check and also a great opportunity for Blue Ivy's career. I hope for an original song for the Oscars. 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Rafael said:

Maybe we won't even get a song out of this

38 minutes ago, yonsé said:

did you forget the discourse around the gift era? how casual listeners found it inaccessible and said she took herself too seriously, how Africans themselves declared she was attempting to appropriate their culture, how her haters called her "mama Africa"…it was not the romantic time to be a hive like renaissance. returning to that discourse is exhausting and that's why people are not looking forward to it.
 

Black is king is visually stunning, but its storyline is mid at best (it would've been better with dialogue) and her rehashing the lemonade formula did not wow anyone. I'm assuming she took lessons from that and that's why this trilogy film is going to be such a huge undertaking.

 

if she did release the gift part ii it would probably be around the time of the film, and then she'd go on to tour that and CC next summer. Then no one is asking about act iii which will come in 2026.

Black is King storyline was mid at best? It was The Lion King's storyline lol. or do you mean the execution of it? imo, it was brilliant. the use of metaphysical timeframes and the layered meanings of having certain actors (especially Beyoncé) portray several different characters and/or people in the circle of live was a stunning way to re-tell the tale. I actually don't think many people paid attention to what it was actually trying to say especially with the storyline of the "mother" we saw at the beginning at the beach.

 

I really don't think that The Gift II is even a possibility though.

It would be great if there was a Beyoncé x Blue duet...and then Blue could be the youngest BOS Oscar nominee (because Beyoncé would have the foresight to have her cowrite it too lol).

 

 

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With her saying that CC is her best work I honestly thought she would treat this album a little differently. Sad to see her drop the ball. 

Please don't tell me we are about to get lion king before visuals? Let me off this train.

6 minutes ago, swissman said:

Black is King storyline was mid at best? It was The Lion King's storyline lol. or do you mean the execution of it? imo, it was brilliant. the use of metaphysical timeframes and the layered meanings of having certain actors (especially Beyoncé) portray several different characters and/or people in the circle of live was a stunning way to re-tell the tale. I actually don't think many people paid attention to what it was actually trying to say especially with the storyline of the "mother" we saw at the beginning at the beach.

 

I really don't think that The Gift II is even a possibility though.

It was a poor execution and interpretation of the lion king story. It dragged it parts and glossed over others. The writing was not its strong suit, the visuals were. It was in dire need of dialogue. The poems did not work. Many people in here said this when it premiered. It hinders its rewatchability

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3 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Please don't tell me we are about to get lion king before visuals? Let me off this train.

why are you not celebrating another panned kids movie right now, fellow fake fan ? 

 

I actually don't gather from the premise of the movie that Beyoncé and Blue will play a huge role give it's a prequel to the first. Nor do I actually believe she will do a whole soundtrack for the movie.

 

I do however believe her and Blue will record a duet for the soundtrack which will be submitted and nominated for best song at the Oscar's.

This woman works hard! Renaissance, RWT, Cowboy Carter, Cecred, Lion King

 

No doubt she is working on a tour for CC and Act lll as we speak. 

Honestly I imagine if Bey's doing another Lion King soundtrack, she's not gonna straight up repeat the mistakes of the last one. 

1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

why are you not celebrating another panned kids movie right now, fellow fake fan ? 

 

No REAL fan asked for this. I don't want any part of this mess. 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Rotunda said:

Honestly I imagine if Bey's doing another Lion King soundtrack, she's not gonna straight up repeat the mistakes of the last one. 

just like she didn't repeat the mistake of letting an album rot while she withholds its visuals for a couple years ? 

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

just like she didn't repeat the mistake of letting an album rot while she withholds its visuals for a couple years ? 

well you see that's different…because…reasons 

54 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

"omg we're getting a red carpet LOOK in 8 months GET UP why are you not celebrating ??" 

 

* the red carpet look in question * 

 

Mama Morton snapped

1 hour ago, yonsé said:

did you forget the discourse around the gift era? how casual listeners found it inaccessible and said she took herself too seriously, how Africans themselves declared she was attempting to appropriate their culture, how her haters called her "mama Africa"…it was not the romantic time to be a hive like renaissance. returning to that discourse is exhausting and that's why people are not looking forward to it.
 

Black is king is visually stunning, but its storyline is mid at best (it would've been better with dialogue) and her rehashing the lemonade formula did not wow anyone. I'm assuming she took lessons from that and that's why this trilogy film is going to be such a huge undertaking.

 

if she did release the gift part ii it would probably be around the time of the film, and then she'd go on to tour that and CC next summer. Then no one is asking about act iii which will come in 2026.

I hear you and even agree to some degree, but I also think context is crucial. 

 

There is nothing "inaccessible" about The Gift sonically. If anything, it's a way more palatable, Americanized, yet still qualitative adaptation of a genre that was BOOMING at the time. Wizkid, Davido and co were all in the midst of huge breakout success that was being lapped up by the very people who were critiquing Bey. More on that in a sec.

 

Timing-wise and musically it actually was one of the most on-trend, savvy moves Bey has made...on paper.

 

IMO, climate and context are everything. And the easiest way for me to relay this is to look at it from two camps of chaos around her at the time.

 

1) The Disinterest / Frustration of Bey's Core Base

 

Bey was at her most inactive in 2019 and was kinda sorta consistently doing the opposite of what her die-hard Hive wanted. Coming off Coachella, we all had an appetite for a solo era. Instead, she gives us OTRII and EIL. Both ok, but chops in the grand scheme of things. 

 

The Lion King was a great move on paper, yet she did nothing to push the actual movie (thus created a certain sour taste with her own fandom wanting more from...her). We expected performances, interviews, visibility. Yet, sans Spirit and the premieres. It was pretty hands-off. 

 

The Gift, a whole side project we knew nothing about before it was announced, dropped sans the usual ostentatious rollout from (e.g. without visuals etc) and deffo without much push and thus underperformed. Automatically, like I said earlier, putting it in the category of releases fans CHOOSE to not associate with because it underperformed. 

 

BIK coming a whole year later was never going to be enough. Even if it was exceptional, like it was. Add the whole Disney+ being new at the time into the mix and yeah...it's all a bit of a nonstarter.

 

2) The Hating GP / Some Sections Of The Afro Diaspora

 

Imma say from the jump that I literally know people who fall into this category. Loud, wrong, and strong when it's easy to tug at Bey, yet the same ones doing the Cuff It Challenge on TikTok and writing Twitter think-pieces about the brilliance of Rennie when she's popular. Flip-floppers. 

 

In the absence of promo and visibility, together with the nothingness of the pandemic (remember BIK dropped 2020), I've clocked those are the windows it's easiest for people to successfully come for Bey. There's no visual to gag at, looks to fawn over, new music being promoted. If anything there's an air of irritation of how little she gave.

 

As someone of African heritage myself, I don't know if y'all know how pathetic the "Mama Africa" shade from others in the diaspora was. Same with the critiques from the Afro diaspora. I still get so riled up at the whole Gift/BIK discourse primarily because it was "presented" as this deep, theoretical, quality discourse when in reality it was dizzy, dense, and lacking in any depth. Here Bey was trying to lift up OUR culture and despite a lot of support from within some corners of the culture just seemed adamant to sink it. Ironically in ways they wouldn't if it were another act like a Rih. 

 

For the uninformed, mainstream Afrobeats literally is West African-led. More specifically Nigeran led. Like, any act you even "kinda sorta" know (Wizkid, Davido, Tiwa Savage, Ayra Star etc) are all Nigerian from a specific tribe at that. It is what it is. Yet, you literally had "African Twitter" foaming at the mouth to slam Bey with idiotic remarks like "why is there no East African music on the album"? "Where is so little North African representation". BECAUSE NO ONE EN MASSE LISTENS TO THAT! LOL. Hell, even the people IN those countries PRIMARILY listen to the version of Afrobeats Bey zoned in on and the artists she featured. 

This is way longer than intended, but I say all of this to say, we have to be careful to not always conflate the quality of the music or value of exploring a musical lane with the context-laden BS of yesteryear. 

 

Like others have said, Bey has boomed on streaming in the time since, actually has a team different to the team during The Gift / BIK, and generally has more good grace/momentum now musically than back then. I also trust that lessons have been learned from before. So, anything she releases (including more Afrobeats) stands to do better than before iMO. 

Edited April 29, 20242 yr by Cbreezy