swissman

Ya I could see it going something like this: Izzo (H.O.V.A.) [intro] Hard Knock Life Dirt Off Your Shoulders into Crazy in Love feat. Beyoncé 99 Problems (Beyoncé still on stage dancing around) [Megan thee Stallion appears] Savage (Remix) Beware of the Boys (Mundian To Bach Ke) Can't Knock the Hustle feat. Mary J. Blige Can I Get A? feat. Amil and Ja Rule Umbrella into Run This Town feat. Rihanna Empire State of Mind feat. Alicia Keys Forever Young feat. Beyoncé [with all guests on stage bopping along]

If only America was more in tune to her... she is one of the few artists out there with the catalogue and understanding of spectacle.

Nevermind the fact that I said "generally" not "always," thus a "correction/exception" is not needed... The fact that you are saying this with a Lady Gaga profile picture is proving my point. Whether or not Katy has been flopping, she remains an emotional threat to certain Monsters because of the storied feud between the singers (maybe?) and their stans. The very idea that Katy could be successful is therefore threatening to the type of person who takes pride in Lady Gaga doing better than Katy Perry. Thus Katy is dragged each and every time she flops because those fans want to underline the fact that Gaga is so great and Katy is not. This is what I mean by threat. If Miley's fans had any meaningful feud today, she'd be dragged. If Miley's "flopping" made another stanbase feel superior, she'd be dragged. But she doesn't have those feuds and her flopping doesn't represent anything to anyone, so she's not dragged. Please note, I did not intend to make this about Gaga, but you simply outlined it perfectly by interjecting in this way.

Stans generally tend to drag others based on their perceived threat level. Insecurity in your own fave will do that. Miley, at least since 2015, has been doing her own sort of thing and generally is not in the same conversations as others despite being an A-lister still. I would assume that after Flower's huge success, that whatever she did next that didn't perform similarly was dragged. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I do not think I am.

I think part of it is she's not exactly making of-the-moment pop. It's surely quite mainstream and commercial, but it seems to be more conceptual and referential and textural than stuff like Espresso or Pink Pony Club or Driver's License or the retro vibe of Olivia Dean that keeps coming back.

are you trolling with this thread? this is the fourth time you are not using the meaning of your own words correctly. here, you are telling me you don't make the rules after scolding me for not following what you said this thread should be about.

Your logic is flawed here. If Heartbreaker is a Mariah Carey hit, presumably because it's her song and on her album and he's just the feature... ...then so too should Empire State of Mind be a Jay-Z hit as it's his song on his album and Alicia Keys is just the feature. Not to mention, you already named this song in the OP, why is it not allowed now?

But you said she's "literally the definiton of a local artist" which does not mean "she's local relative to other a-listers".

ANYWAY: Hard Knock Life went top twenty in many countries around the world (solo song) Empire State of Mind was a huge hit Holy Grail was a moderate hit Suit & Tie was a moderate hit Heartbreaker was a HUGE hit around the world Does that answer the question?

So Jay-Z, one of the most respected rappers of all time, is not a generational talent but a general celebrity? Famous for what, exactly? One could say now "famous for being Beyoncé's husband" but he was already a "celebrity", confined to rap or not, before they met, and that was because of his music, not for being attached to other talents.

Kylie Minogue is not the literal definition of local artist. "Local" literally means confined to a particular area, not areas. She may not be the most global, but she has had success all across Europe, in Oceania, and has considerable success in Japan. The fact that America doesn't care for her (she still has two top ten hits there), doesn't mean she's local. The only continents she has not toured are Africa and Antartica. She was touring Latin America just last year, 26 years into her supposedly "local" career.

what is the purpose of this thread if you're going to answer it yourself and also say that it's the only answer? like, you have the song and are claiming there are no more options, so what are we supposed to discuss? a weird attempt at shade, if that.

what a weird thing to sue for... you are worried that people will think Lady Gaga endorses your brand? and that's a thing you need money for?

Then the title of this thread should be: "Jay-Z gives Rihanna a compliment shading Kanye" not "Jay-Z gives Rihanna a backhanded compliment" they mean two entirely different things. and even then, since he used plural when referring to the type of person who is not loyal, one would expect that perhaps it's Kanye and others, not just Kanye.

lol