both are their best efforts in a long time

WELP. I think the ATRLGP have spoken.
 

 

I prefer Mayhem but Rena is probably the better album even if it's not my fave.

MAYHEM. Never vibed with Ren

love Mayhem but Renaissance sweetie... it's the best album by a MPG this decade 

I loved Renaissance (and went to the tour!!) but increasingly her lyrics are all about how rich she is. It gets tiring after a while. 

Renaissance easily. Love Gaga though 

Since Bey refused to release video for alien superstar she automatically loses 

 

Both career, decade defining albums but Renaissance is THE album of a lifetime for me. 

Giselle clears effortlessly. 

Mayhem.

 

I don't understand the praise for Renaissance, or most of Beyonce's albums from 2010s, except 4 (AMAZING album). I do like Cowboy Carter but it's still pretty mid for me.

3 hours ago, hawx23 said:

I loved Renaissance (and went to the tour!!) but increasingly her lyrics are all about how rich she is. It gets tiring after a while. 

Cozy - self-empowerment 

Alien Superstar - self-empowerment 

Cuff It - Love/Sex

Break My Soul - Self-Empowerment

Church Girl - Self-Empowerment

Plastic Off The Sofa - Love

Virgos Groove - Sex

Move - Party

Heated - Relationship 

America Has A Problem - Sex

Thique - Sex

Pure/Honey - Self Empowerment/Party

Summer Renaissance - Party

 

None of these have anything to do with how rich she is lol

Edited March 10, 20251 yr by Kristie Kuwa

7 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Cozy - self-empowerment 

Alien Superstar - self-empowerment 

Cuff It - Love/Sex

Break My Soul - Self-Empowerment

Church Girl - Self-Empowerment

Plastic Off The Sofa - Love

Virgos Groove - Sex

Move - Party

Heated - Relationship 

America Has A Problem - Sex

Thique - Sex

Pure/Honey - Self Empowerment/Party

Summer Renaissance - Party

 

None of these have anything to do with how rich she is lol

I think a lot of the self-empowerment songs come off wealth-oriented...

 

Eg Alien Superstar:

Forever I'm that girl
Feed you diamonds and pearls
Ooh, baby
I'm too classy to be touched
I pay them all in dust
I'm stingy with my love (unique)
Ooh, baby, I'm

 

...

 

Unicorn is the uniform you put on
Eyes on you when you perform
Eyes on I when I put on
Mastermind in haute couture
Label whores can't clock, I'm so obscure (unique)
Masterpiece, genius, drip intravenous
Patty cake on that wrist
Tiffany blue billboards over that ceiling (unique)

 

 

Etc.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love RENAISSANCE. The tour and movie were better produced than Eras (and I don't mind saying that even as a Taylor stan — I went to both concerts). But I'm just saying many of her self-empowerment songs also touch on wealth and status.

Edited March 10, 20251 yr by hawx23

13 minutes ago, hawx23 said:

I think a lot of the self-empowerment songs come off wealth-oriented...

 

Eg Alien Superstar:

Forever I'm that girl
Feed you diamonds and pearls
Ooh, baby
I'm too classy to be touched
I pay them all in dust
I'm stingy with my love (unique)
Ooh, baby, I'm

 

...

 

Unicorn is the uniform you put on
Eyes on you when you perform
Eyes on I when I put on
Mastermind in haute couture
Label whores can't clock, I'm so obscure (unique)
Masterpiece, genius, drip intravenous
Patty cake on that wrist
Tiffany blue billboards over that ceiling (unique)

 

 

Etc.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love RENAISSANCE. The tour and movie were better produced than Eras (and I don't mind saying that even as a Taylor stan — I went to both concerts). But I'm just saying many of her self-empowerment songs also touch on wealth and status.

Some of them do, but then thats also authentic to her life I guess. She is in fact super rich and I dont see these lyrics as negative tbh. Shes just being playful 

bffr

Renaissance is easily Beyonces best. Mayhem is Gaga's fourth best. Renaissance easily takes it. Such a well crafted album. 

Pls

What's funny about this is that this question is going to look and sound ridiculous in about 3 months, i'll come back to this thread. 

Renaissance is cute but MAYHEM shits all over it. 

RENAISSANCE

 

but both are masterpieces. In fact it's a very close battle

Mayhem forsure. I couldn't get through renaissance when i tried to listen to it, the second half just lost all the momentum the first half built up but seeing how passionate you all are about this album makes me want to give it another go!

Renaissance is great, innovative album from sound to empowered lyrics  Half of the Mayhem is just sounds like antic recycles from BTW/Artpop era 

On 3/9/2025 at 3:58 PM, JO1s said:

Girl Mayhem has boring ballads, the slowest Renni gets is midtempo

Die With A Smile is amazing, Blade of Grass is a boring tho. Beyonce would've eaten up DWAS if it were her song. Her and Bruno would sound amazing on it, their voices go well together.

On 3/9/2025 at 4:46 PM, giRLbye. said:

"Alien Superstar" alone is better than everything Gaga has been trying to achieve for the last decade

 

 

Are you sure, because whilst Alien Superstar is a fantastic song, it just barely made the top 20 in US.

 

Now, what Gaga has achieved in the last 10 years dwarfs Alien Superstar:

 

1. 2025 - Die With A Smile (#1 and a Grammy)

2. 2022 - Love For Sale - (#6 UK and #8 on BB Top200 and a Grammy for a....Jazz album)

3. 2021 - Rain On Me - (#1 on US BB Top 100)

4. 2020 - A Star Is Born and I'll Never Love Again (2 Grammys)

5. 2019 - Joanne (from Joanne) and Shallow (3 Grammys + US # on BB100)

6. 2018 - Shallow (Oscars for Best Original Song)

7. 2015 - Cheek To Cheek - Grammy for a Jazz album, #10 in UK and #1 in BB200