Edited February 5, 20251 yr by GraceRandolph

Awful food and annoying people 

I'll take the bait

 

In a lot of ways it came of as hypocrisy. Environmental veganism, for example is a bizarre line for somebody with an Amazon prime subscription and new iPhone every year to draw to feel a sense of moral superiority. Overconsumption will be the death of us all and hamburgers are barely of concern there.

 

Harm-based veganism is weird because death and harm is a part of life existing. It's a very privileged mindset to think you can remove yourself from that, especially if your lifestyle is enabled by the harm and exploitation of humans, who are also animals(if youre on the Internet to preach about veganism, it 100% is).

 

 

Reduction in consumption and developing healthy, non-restrictive behaviors around reduction should have always been the goal but then again, saying a little bit of pork now and then isn't a bad thing kind of defeats the central argument.

Nothing, the number of vegans and vegetarians has grown and will continue to grow. People who live in a wealthy country no longer have to eat animals. It's just convenience and stubbornness. There are plenty of reasons, from animal welfare to climate change. If you can't become a vegan, at least become a vegetarian, which is even easier. Nowadays it seems to me that especially progressive people like to talk about things like climate change, human rights etc. but are too lazy to actually change something and not just talk about it. What we need against climate change (and fascism) is not talk but action. 

I think far right extremism taking over the world might have taken a toll on the movement. These are climate change deniers and anything remotely attached to helping the world triggers their allergies and they get red in the face.

 

I think veganism is a lifestyle that shouldn't be tied to any ideology because it's a very specific fight for a very specific cause and anyone from all backgrounds can relate to it, but we live in a world where everything is weaponized. Sadly.

 

Basically we have to face opposition from all angles because animal welfare is not seen as a priority in society.

Edited February 5, 20251 yr by ChooseyLover

It went popular and caught on with people who like vegan dishes as an aesthetic rather than a lifestyle. Similar to keto or any other diet.

 

Some people genuinely practice it, a lot of people just try it out. The good thing is that this created a big market for vegan alternatives and they're a lot easier to find nowadays not just in specific places but everywhere.

 

I don't think it's dead, it's still expanding here

22 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

Nothing, the number of vegans and vegetarians has grown and will continue to grow. People who live in a wealthy country no longer have to eat animals. It's just convenience and stubbornness. There are plenty of reasons, from animal welfare to climate change. If you can't become a vegan, at least become a vegetarian, which is even easier. Nowadays it seems to me that especially progressive people like to talk about things like climate change, human rights etc. but are too lazy to actually change something and not just talk about it. What we need against climate change (and fascism) is not talk but action. 

Your post, I love to read it. Melody in your pfp, I love to see it.

Nothing. I think veganism, vegetarianism, and plant-based diets are still on the rise. Where I live, a vegetarian/vegan fast food place opened in 2019. It has a lot of classic food options with non-meat substitutes so people trying to transition to a non-meat diet can enjoy something like a Big Mac without eating meat to ease the transition. Also, the food is generally just flat out good even if you’re not committed to this diet. It got so popular that there are now two other locations and they’re retaining their popularity. More meat substitutes are coming out. 
 

I think the more meat substitutes become convenient, the easier it’ll be for people to make the switch or at least reduce their consumption. 

People are meant to have a balanced diet. My vegan friend of 10 years is looking awful at 29 he looks much older his hair is thin, the skin on his hands is starting to peel and the doctors keep telling him he needs to introduce animal protein in his diet since his supplement clearly don't work. 

His older brother looks much better, younger and healthier than him.

And besides it's not as environmental friendly as people believe I've seen it first hand. They have to spray the plants with so much **** and pesticides it's unbelievable. I've seen so many dead insects and birds around the sunflower field I was shocked.

Vegan activists who live in their environment friendly buildings and cities made of concrete where often the air is barely breathable are so funny how out of touch they are it's hilarious.

 

Nothing?

 

I am not vegan myself but i have started to pick up on vegan food way more because it has gotten so tasty and well made with time.

 

If anything veganism will only grow from here on. 

The vegans 

More and more people become vegan in my social environment 

life takes life to sustain life... They were delusional with their lab slop 

the GP said NO to fake meat I'm afraid

The number one problem: lack of vegan proteins. It's literally just beans, peas and nuts, which doesn't get you very far.

Veganism does have a perception issue and I will admit sometimes that is due to the types of people who are vegan. I sit next to one at work and she is... unnecessarily judgemental about everyone's food choices

But it takes a certain level of maturity to acknowledge, as a non-vegan, that they are in fact right. Most people do not have that level of maturity. So it's difficult for the movement

 

Vegetarianism on the other hand manages to have no social stigma. I think it's worth reflecting on why

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

Nothing. I think veganism, vegetarianism, and plant-based diets are still on the rise. Where I live, a vegetarian/vegan fast food place opened in 2019.

I think conflation of veganism and vegetarianism is an issue. Particularly for those who are vegetarian (but NOT vegan) e.g. for religious or cultural reasons. Many businesses seem to have eliminated or drastically reduced vegetarian options in favor of vegan ones. Veganism seems to be eating into spaces where people were once able to opt for true vegetable based options and replacing it with fake meat products. This actually leads to less choice.

 

Not everyone wants to eat a "meat" substitute or products which are designed to mimic or taste like meat. Oftentimes, these kinds of products are extremely processed in order to attain a "meat like" texture and this heavy processing and food engineering can outweigh any nutritional value. It's often not healthy.

 

A major flaw of the veganism movement is that it shouldn't be solely focused on trying to mimic meat. There are thousands of vegetable, legume and nut etc based dishes that don't require lab grown meat or overly processed meat substitute products to make and are very tasty. 

 

The people that demand meat-like vegan products should just spend more to buy actual meat from sustainable sources, or broaden their minds beyond that. 

 

Edited February 5, 20251 yr by Zack

White people 

 

but no seriously, veganism quickly became about classism and a lot of vegans pedestalized themselves as the do gooders of the Earth when there are plenty of Black and brown people (namely in Africa and the Rastafarians and Hindus) that were been vegetarian/vegan and they didn't create fake meats to do it. They also have low carbon footprints so they couldn't be called out as hypocrites plus they didn't think they were above others and insult people. 
 

Veganism, the same with yoga and Pilates (and Lululemon), swiftly became an earmark of privilege for white suburban women. 

Idk but around here I don't know anyone who consumes a vegan diet lol 

lack of playlisting 

American vegan food is **** tier, it's basically 50% chemicals and whatnot.

People across the world have always had vegan dishes that were created organically overtime. Americans try substituting their dishes with faux-meat.

Whatever health benefits vegans would get earlier have been erased by ultra processed "food"

Idk. I have a healthy diet lol

i fear gays love sausage a little too much

3 minutes ago, CBC said:

i fear gays love sausage a little too much

Well, who doesn't? 

1 hour ago, Zack said:

I think conflation of veganism and vegetarianism is an issue. Particularly for those who are vegetarian (but NOT vegan) e.g. for religious or cultural reasons. Many businesses seem to have eliminated or drastically reduced vegetarian options in favor of vegan ones. Veganism seems to be eating into spaces where people were once able to opt for true vegetable based options and replacing it with fake meat products. This actually leads to less choice.

 

Not everyone wants to eat a "meat" substitute or products which are designed to mimic or taste like meat. Oftentimes, these kinds of products are extremely processed in order to attain a "meat like" texture and this heavy processing and food engineering can outweigh any nutritional value. It's often not healthy.

 

A major flaw of the veganism movement is that it shouldn't be solely focused on trying to mimic meat. There are thousands of vegetable, legume and nut etc based dishes that don't require lab grown meat or overly processed meat substitute products to make and are very tasty. 

 

The people that demand meat-like vegan products should just spend more to buy actual meat from sustainable sources, or broaden their minds beyond that. 

 

Not sure why this is in response to my post. It’s a separate conversation from what I was discussing.

 

But I don’t think this is a fair point. What you’re describing, the push for meat substitutes that resemble meat is not exclusive to veganism. It is driven by people who used to consume meat that are converting to vegan or vegetarian diets. If you enjoyed eating a Big Mac or a hotdog before converting to either a vegetarian or vegan diet, you’re likely to enjoy a plant-based version of that that scratches that itch that you’ve developed and liking for. If you grew up Hindu and never ate meat and never developed a palette for a hotdog, then of course these meat substitutes aren’t to your liking, but you’re also not the intended audience. It’s for people that used to eat meat and enjoy the flavor and texture but want to commit to reducing their meat consumption. That’s not a bad thing. Framing it as exclusive to the vegan diet makes no sense. The example I brought up provides the same food for both diets with the only difference being they have dairy and non-dairy cheese.

 

Saying that people who want to eat less meat should just eat meat is a strange argument when meat substitutes are environmentally friendlier and also do not exploit animals. Nobody going for a plant-based hotdog is doing so for health. They’re doing it because they enjoy the flavor and maybe want to enjoy social outings where hotdogs are commonly eaten. Similarly, the fact that we have gluten free flours to make cake is great for those with gluten allergies that want to enjoy eating cake at events or just for pleasure. Not every dietary decision is based on health.