- Pitchfork critic hated Taylor's TTPD, now finds it one of her best/most interesting
- Pitchfork critic hated Taylor's TTPD, now finds it one of her best/most interesting
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Spotify | Taylor Swift - Patient Zero | Day 8: #2 WW (5.041m), #1 US (1.668m)
Rising in Europe
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Spotify | Taylor Swift - Patient Zero | Day 8: #2 WW (5.041m), #1 US (1.668m)
Giving you every day since 2006
- Billboard ranks Taylor's bonus tracks
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Why didn't Madonna have the longevity of Taylor?
And just like that your entire point evaporates no clue about what you're talking about.
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Why didn't Madonna have the longevity of Taylor?
Do you even use streaming? Because it being "like radio" is just not my experience. Either way, this thread is about success. Not just pure sales. So to exclude it like you do is, again, disingenuous.
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Why didn't Madonna have the longevity of Taylor?
"Madonna only had sales" is an advantage for her, not a disadvantage. The notion that it was easy to sell 20, 25 or 30 million pure copies per album in the 70's, 80's or 90's… Is false! Yes! But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it was easier than it is today, which is validated by the fact that it even happened at all. The vast majority of best-selling albums ever in pure sales is from before streaming. Every statistic corroborates the era before streaming = more pure sales, and the era with streaming = less pure sales. Across every country, demographic, genre etc. Streaming is cultural impact too! It's what you spend your time and attention on. Thinking that an album sale is more "impactful" to the consumer than a thousand streams (which is roughly what counts as a sale today) is just an outdated point of view, which the entire industry agrees with now.
- New Zealand: Patient Zero #1, Taylor becomes female with most #1s in history (10)
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Taylor Swift
I still think Debut 20th Anniversary in November would be a good idea, to end the year on a somehow positive note and also potentielly boost IKIIKY's award chances a bit… TS13 then coming in fall 2027 would be a similar strategy to Red TV -> Midnights
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(10/10/2026)Hot 100 midweek predictions:Taylor #1,#3,#4,#5,#13. Stupid Song #9
Are you saying it's not true that streaming is a better reflection of what people want to listen to than radio?
- Patient Zero is Taylor Swift's own shaky start? Agreed?
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Why didn't Madonna have the longevity of Taylor?
The entire music industry, including IFPI, Billboard, Chartmasters and RIAA, have moved on from counting pure sales only - and for good reason if one's goal is to actually measure the popularity of music. No, equivalent units will never be a perfect way to compare music consumption in different eras. But to exclude them entirely in this type of discussion is at best nostalgic and passé, and at worst dishonest and unfair. You simply can't compare music consumption over time without any consideration for streaming - where Taylor is by far the most succesful woman ever, by the way.
- Patient Zero is Taylor Swift's own shaky start? Agreed?
- Ts taylor Swift more talented than Janet Jackson?