Wonhole has been putting out good music, shame his US tore got cancelled

 

11 minutes ago, paddii_ said:

Im pissed we only got one Korean mini this year 

 

companies truly got lazy after they saw BP smashing with one digital song or mini a year 

 

they all need to copy twice 2017/18

they've been laying low since their cancellation

 

better luck next year

9Muses greatest hits?????

https://www.kpoptown.com/cd-dvd-photobook/103847--lp-ninemuses-best-album-hera-best-of-9muses-lp-limited-transparent-purple-color-vinyl--8471702031.html

 

looks a bit higher budget than Commas

 

 

 

i- 

 

6 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

 

 

i- 

 

This was their goal the entire time, and you can't say anything or hybe fans will harass you and use noticing the copying as an excuse to call the girls bullies.. and continue laugh about "courtjeans" 

 

 

6 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

How can a company infringe upon their own intellectual property? The company owns the rights to all their shit and can use it as they wish.

 

Even if they did require permission from someone to reuse NJ intellectual property, it wouldn't be the girls that would be the one to grant that permission. They don't own squat.

 

y'all are so unaware of how business works in the real world

For starters, you can commit intellectual property theft even with your own contracted employees if you don't give them proper credits or have a contract that gives you full control of their entire output for life. For example, SM contracts out for a lot of their 3D art, especially moving art. They secure licensing agreements to maintain that art but if they want to slightly modify that art while still maintaining the same design, they either have to make a new contract with the original designer or create new art that is visually distinct enough that it doesn't infringe on that artists' creative property.

 

MHJ is infamous for keeping a lot of her IP and that's part of why she and SM had a falling out. MHJ finally got to release her version of White Fox (NJZ), but you'll notice that SM's version of White Fox (H2H) had to be altered dramatically DESPITE having MHJ as a contracted employee because MHJ holds the rights to her IP.

 

Just because one creative is under another sublabel in the same company does not mean you can plagiarize at will or use their creative IP. There's a reason H2H can't just recreate NJZ's choreo and had to make their mascot a horse instead of a bunny and had to create a different sound even though their label had NJZ's IP under their label and MHJ's work was contracted to them. BELIFT cannot plagiarize ADOR just because an ADOR employee was paid for their art for a comeback, especially when BELIFT did not pay that artist.

5 hours ago, sunny said:

 

 

Miss A 2010 - 2015 

 

NewJeans 2022- 2024 

 

Miss A songs will still be used in  tv shows and survival shows, i doubt NJ songs will ever be played after this

 

Thank you for reminding us how i am always RIGHT

 

Now SEETHE and enjoy your "Hiatus"  

 

Miss A had terrible longevity and got surpassed by NJZ in a matter of months.  I'm an Aespa stan and used to get dragged for downplaying NJZ, but damn, y'all take delusion to the next level. Miss A had two smashes, two big hits and a bunch of mild successes. 
 

NJZ are #1 all-time for female groups for digital points (about to be the first to hit 10B). They have over a decade of weeks on the chart and they've been around for a bit more than 3 years   They have a chart run that would have cleared all of our faves digitally.

5 hours ago, sunny said:

Also this west vs korea thing again

 

As if Kesha, Britney, Jojo etc were so easily done with their cases .... 

The point is that Kesha/Britney stans are trying to hold Korea to the standards we want to see America held to.

5 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

People are forgetting that HYBE's plan was always to shelve NewJeans - even before the members tried to terminate their contracts and wanted to leave the company. After HYBE kicked Min Hee-jin out, they made this statement about NewJeans going on hiatus for a while because they were supposedly looking for "Grammy award-winning producers" to make music for them, etc.. 

 

NewJeans had every right to at least try to get out of their contract with Ador/HYBE who openly tried to sabotage them. 

 

Not just shelve them, but bring clones out, too. A total 2NE1-BP situation.

46 minutes ago, Cyanide said:

This was their goal the entire time, and you can't say anything or hybe fans will harass you and use noticing the copying as an excuse to call the girls bullies.. and continue laugh about "courtjeans" 

 

 

i thought it was more like rubbing salt in the wound using the iconic newjeans blue halftone when other spaghetti concept photos look nothing like this and posting it right after the court decision 

On 10/26/2025 at 7:35 PM, Sheep said:

I forgot the Flo Milli hip hop track and american football feminism concepts were for Korea.

 

 

That user stans NCT, he's more sheep than either of us.

Not to do too much on Flo Milli but the good sis has never charted solo here, her first album missed the Billboard 200 and her second album missed the top 50. She's the one needing help from Aespa, not the other way around  

 

Football is the only-major sport without a female alternative, which I believe is the point. They're also tied to a football series for promotion in November.

On 10/26/2025 at 8:08 PM, lgaga1fan said:

The gap is 2 million views from tertiary videos, while Tears and TDD both only have 1 mv and 1 official audio. I don't think that's very impressive.

 

Releasing two title tracks, one in English and one that dropped w an English version, that both include remixes from Western artists is not seeking Western Validation? The planning and execution of every Western push since they cut ties with Warner has been EXTREMELY botched but it doesn't mean they aren't seeking western validation. Also sorry a decent debut on Spotify and charting at the bottom of AM's chart for a few days isnt impressive to me. 

Also calling me a non-SM stan is really weird. I've seen aespa, NCT 127 and SuJu live. I bought physical and digital copies of every single aespa release until Dirty Work which was an awful single. I have copies of almost every NCT Dream album. Me making a thoughtful analysis doesn't mean I hate them. Im extremely disappointed in the downward trajectory in their artistry but I still want them to succeed at the end of the day. Theyre the textbook definition of underperformances. The main response was to Zack because he called both 'huge' hits, when they aren't. I'm glad you actually backed up an argument with real stats though because you definitely put things into a clearer perspective on how theyre performing above the other peer groups even when its not to their standard. 

Okay, but if tertiary videos are the reason the songs have more streams on YTM, then they're also the reason the music videos have less streams on YouTube.

 

I don't see including an English version or featuring a Z-list artist as a feature as an attempt at securing success here because it doesn't have any effect whatsoever. SM didn't put them on playlists (the most effective method), had no promo stages for "Dirty Work" and 2 khia stages for "Rich Man" (two weeks after release) and didn't even bother reporting physical single sales to Billboard. There's always this narrative that SM is obsessed with Western validation, but it just isn't true.

 

Also, sorry - I don't recognize anyone here anymore except Pluto, Sheep and Oprah just because Avis don't load (which is why I have such a shitty avi still). I think you were both right to some extent - Rich Man and Dirty Work are huge drops in success from Whiplash, but for being title tracks #10 and #11 in their fourth year, they are a massive success. Aespa are already at "hag" status in South Korea and at a point where girl groups usually drop off in success. Personally, I'm glad "Dirty Work" and "Rich Man" were a big drop in success but fans like you have been vocal about not enjoying the music, so hopefully it means we'll see more Whiplash/Drama/Supernova-esque title tracks soon. I have a feeling they're saving something good for ae2.

22 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Not to do too much on Flo Milli but the good sis has never charted solo here, her first album missed the Billboard 200 and her second album missed the top 50. She's the one needing help from Aespa, not the other way around  

 

Football is the only-major sport without a female alternative, which I believe is the point. They're also tied to a football series for promotion in November.

Feminist is a slur in korea sis. It was a globally focused cb and it underperformed because it wasn't very good. They won't rebound if the narrative about them is skewed away from these unfortunate facts. 

2 hours ago, Graffiti said:

 

Omg a confused react from @DelRey, I've finally made it in this thread

 

tbh theyre trying a little too hard. camila is most effortlessly sexy one.

 

 

6 hours ago, Sailor Moon said:

but it's not that deep nn  well it's a cute moment for queen mariah i guess

 

it is their halloween outfits

 

Jihoon is so cute, why can't he stand still

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Not to do too much on Flo Milli but the good sis has never charted solo here, her first album missed the Billboard 200 and her second album missed the top 50. She's the one needing help from Aespa, not the other way around  

 

Football is the only-major sport without a female alternative, which I believe is the point. They're also tied to a football series for promotion in November.

Okay, but if tertiary videos are the reason the songs have more streams on YTM, then they're also the reason the music videos have less streams on YouTube.

 

I don't see including an English version or featuring a Z-list artist as a feature as an attempt at securing success here because it doesn't have any effect whatsoever. SM didn't put them on playlists (the most effective method), had no promo stages for "Dirty Work" and 2 khia stages for "Rich Man" (two weeks after release) and didn't even bother reporting physical single sales to Billboard. There's always this narrative that SM is obsessed with Western validation, but it just isn't true.

 

Also, sorry - I don't recognize anyone here anymore except Pluto, Sheep and Oprah just because Avis don't load (which is why I have such a shitty avi still). I think you were both right to some extent - Rich Man and Dirty Work are huge drops in success from Whiplash, but for being title tracks #10 and #11 in their fourth year, they are a massive success. Aespa are already at "hag" status in South Korea and at a point where girl groups usually drop off in success. Personally, I'm glad "Dirty Work" and "Rich Man" were a big drop in success but fans like you have been vocal about not enjoying the music, so hopefully it means we'll see more Whiplash/Drama/Supernova-esque title tracks soon. I have a feeling they're saving something good for ae2.

I yearn for them to go back to Kwangya days. Their songs feel very safe compared to their initial output nowadays. A 5 track EP of semi futuristic hits (or something at least on par with the excellent My World) would suffice. I just miss the throwback to pop of yesteryear they were giving us. They felt like a cousin of 2ne1. 

 

3 hours ago, Asscatchem said:

 

 

i- 

 

omg

 

we need the "" reaction ASAP

 

6 hours ago, Cyanide said:

 

 

Hyein is 17 and has to go through being forced to pay $700K legal fees to a multi billion dollar conglomerate while having her name smeared in the media every day.

These fees only apply if the group continues with promotional activities while still under their contract, which they haven't done. The only fees they'll likely pay are the court fees, which are capped in most cases (though the exact amount would depend on the case, but it's not going to be anywhere near that amount). 

 

It's obvious they'll just keep appealing in hopes they can run out the contract time and then move on to another agency, assuming they continue in entertainment. Sucks for us and them, but it's better than going back to a toxic workplace. 

1 hour ago, CrisPop said:

 

katseye's the fright song but make it low budget

 

3 hours ago, Graffiti said:

Omg a confused react from @DelRey, I've finally made it in this thread

 

I just checked and I have 39 confused reactions; every single one is from @DelRey

 

Wait, this is iconic. She's triggering the incels already. 

 

When asked by a fan, "What are three types of men you think girls shouldn't date?", Jiwoo responded without hesitation: "Guys with bad personalities, ugly guys, and stingy guys."

 

 

People fighting on Kesha's Twitter post about why she shouldn't support NJ because of MHJ…. When they turn around and support BTS and BSH.. you guys think "mentioning another group" is worse than 400M IPO fraud… what a bunch of dishonest ghouls