Eternium

The term you're looking for is "established." And yes, Ariana has been an established act since TUN, at the very least.

They got a bunch of random Westernized girls who prioritize individuality and their own success over the groups'. Throw that in with the fact that their choreo is obnoxiously difficult and unrealistic and that's why the girls have no chemistry, aren't overly invested in the group, aren't super close friends and can't stop getting hurt. It doesn't help that HYBE was already a sexist, shitty company and then they started skimming the bowels of SM Entertainment and adding their worst employees to their roster.

You're experiencing getting older, sis. Most artists' growth patterns are based on the artists that inspired them.

That's not what a legacy act is, which is why you're getting corrected. A legacy act is an artist who has no current relevancy except for that of their legacy. Think of Rod Stewart. Nobody is going to check for something new from him, but he'll forever be relevant for the career he already had. You can argue that Ariana is an act with a legacy, but she is NOT a legacy act.

Basically, Amazon and Pandora run our charts now. Both are literally just programmed streams and using their own form of Today's Top Hits, but for country music. The entire concept of SPS and streaming's inclusion is literally based on what a song would have grossed if it was released in 2013's market. Billboard is entirely revenue-based, not consumption-based. They're just stupid as **** with it so people don't realize.

SNSD > 2NE1 > aespa > BlackPink > TWICE > LSF. LSF definitely drag down the pairing, but you all let nostalgia blind you into thinking third gen was good. Fourth gen stomped them for a reason.

Realizing you're the DMF of Monsters and trying to get Gaga dragged.

Love how you girls are fake ChartMasters stans when it benefits your faves but then suddenly don't want to use it when it benefits someone else's fave. The hypocrisy just because you're jealous of another woman's success. The Monsters claimed that a song that was popular for less than six months was bigger than a hit song that was on a Diamond album and 6M+ selling compilation album. It was delusional. TF+M flopped compared to BOMT+OIDIA. BOMT+OIDIA is past 25x Platinum in the U.S. alone. ATRL has lost its magic. It went from a hub with creative, funny people who made gifs for every occasion to a forum full of chart stans who don't understand the most basic parts of music consumption. It's telling how dead our charts threads are but everyone is in Base arguing about stats. Are we gonna do that thing where you pretend pure sales don't count since your fave flopped in them and needs programmed streams to compete with my fave? Then why did Crazy In Love need radio payola to become a hit? Those are not hit album tracks. You're comparing MOWTY, the #1 most streamed album track of the 2000s, and saying that it's more impressive that Beyonce has some album tracks that aren't even top 100 for the 2020s. Obviously the numbers are going to look better - Beyoncé's B-sides had stronger playlisting than Britney singles. But pulling 200M with a 2020s B-side isn't more impressive than pulling 45M with a 2000s B-side.

The Britney album is better, imo, but both are easily 10/10 albums and so I could see how people could pick either one. Laundry Service is more commercially successful and more important to Shakira's career than Britney is to Britney's.

4 was one of the first heavily-playlisted albums on streaming and took advantage of autoplay early. Y'all are rewriting history by not mentioning that.

She literally only has 60 hours to rack up points. It's just not realistic. But she's guaranteed to chart a few albums AND get some new peaks for her songs this week. Hopefully her label pushes her hard on streaming and gets her on some big playlists - it would be nice to see a song like "Faith" go viral in 2026.

Taylor is nowhere near #1 here. It's Barbra. I need y'all to stop using SPS because it's purposefully inflated to give streaming era artists a boost. Just look at how Morgan Wallen's first 20 years literally outperform everyone else by a mile. "Overall units." Baby, that's a useless metric in Europe when the U.K. literally makes up album numbers now. Baby, Australia is a continent.

I'm sorry but Y'all realize Gaga is literally only 40, right? She's not going to be up there with artists that are 60+ years into their careers with classics that are older than her. This is a discussion for artists who are 60+ years old.

You realize this happened when the charts were a reflection of public consumption only, right? My Fair Lady spent 173 weeks in the top 10 during the sales era when it was much, much harder. I don't think you realize how much the GP loves Mary Poppins, My Fair Lady, the Princess Diaries of The Sound of Music. Mr. Rogers has found newfound internet fame, but he was never as big as Julie Andrews. You know she's literally considered one of the greatest singers of all-time, right?

Julie Andrews not being widely known is a kii. Do you know what the longest running top ten album in Billboard history is?