omg we're about to eat !! 

2 hours ago, Brikenbur said:

omg we're about to eat !! 

What you mean lol?

Why is Beyoncé trying to be edgy by not releasing videos? II Most Wanted could have had strong legs if she made a video and promoted it. THE was cute, but not enough to carry this segment of the era and not enough to make lasting impact in country. She should milk it 

 

Hmmm....

 

Does anyone else have two albums on the list? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Beyonce wrong for that. She been shooting videos for years now and not releasing it lmao. A whole video filmed since 2022 and we may not get them until late next year lmfao

14 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Does anyone else have two albums on the list? 

 

 

Radiohead got another today, so Lemonade is definitely a possibility

2 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

Radiohead got another today, so Lemonade is definitely a possibility

From the golden emojis they posted on their IG, I believe Lemonade, Purple Rain, Abbey Road, GKMC, Nevermind and maybe Blonde (the Ivy, unless it's for folkore....) are all making it top 10. 

6 hours ago, SashaDevachelli said:

Love how we're still wondering/debating if there is an act 3 despite her just recently releasing an album titled act 2. When I say this base is darksided…

it's the same fools who tried to convince us she scrapped act II. pay them no mind.

 

15 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

From the golden emojis they posted on their IG, I believe Lemonade, Purple Rain, Abbey Road, GKMC, Nevermind and maybe Blonde (the Ivy, unless it's for folkore....) are all making it top 10. 

the clues they posted, in order:

 

1. Lemonade by Beyonce
2. Nevermind by Nirvana
3. Purple Rain by Prince
4. Abby Road by the Beatles
5. The miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill
6. Good kid, m.a.a.d. city by Kendrick Lamar
7. Ivy by Frankie ocean
8. Songs in the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

the clues they posted, in order:

 

1. Lemonade by Beyonce
2. Nevermind by Nirvana
3. Purple Rain by Prince
4. Abby Road by the Beatles
5. The miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill
6. Good kid, m.a.a.d. city by Kendrick Lamar
7. Ivy by Frankie ocean
8. Songs in the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder

I've literally never noticed the pencil on the miseducation cover or that it's a desk  it's one of those albums I've seen since I was a kid so I never looked closely

 

Soul not for sale.

 

3 hours ago, Anvarie said:

I'm curious what y'all think about where Renaissance lands in comparison to Lemonade and ST. The latter 2 get a critical acclaim halo and I think Renaissance deserves the same recognition on these best albums lists 

I mean it's still too recent for that but I don't believe it will ever get the same recognition, mostly because she let the whole thing die. 

 

Despite the initial great reception to the album it just didn't stick as that landmark cultural moment that it could have been if she was somewhat out there making sure it stays in engrained in public consciousness. 
 

I know some people say she didn't do enough and sabotaged herself during ST and Lem but the truth is she was doing a lot, just in a smart way. Not only were the visual components carrying a lot of weight as @ShouldersSideways said but she was out there performing giving some

of the best performances of her career and that created a lot of discourse around her and how she's this queen figure in entertainment. There was a lot of imagery and visual identity that helped make these the cultural moment that they were.

 

Renaissance had none of that. Something did happen to a smaller extent with the chrome during the tour but that came almost after a year after her not doing anything so naturally the hype and discourse around the music itself had fizzled out. 
 

Had she done BMS at the BET, some pre recorded set like Apple music or even an own production for the fall, the Grammys in Feb then the visual film in spring between the Grammys and the tour things would be very different today I assure you. 

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Also Lemonade is so intensely tied to the BLM, it really had a narrative going within another narrative. The stars truly aligned (just not regarding AOTY and the Grammys who decided to opt for a rehash album)

9 hours ago, Anvarie said:

I'm curious what y'all think about where Renaissance lands in comparison to Lemonade and ST. The latter 2 get a critical acclaim halo and I think Renaissance deserves the same recognition on these best albums lists 

well Fillertitled isn't even top 3 and ren is her best album alongside lemonade so 

1 hour ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

well Fillertitled isn't even top 3 and ren is her best album alongside lemonade so 

I really wanna report you for harassment over this awful moniker for one of beyonces MAGNUS OPUSES

 

 

 

 

 

jk 😘

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1 hour ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

well Fillertitled isn't even top 3 and ren is her best album alongside lemonade so 

LawdT how dare you we were all rooting for you *Tyra Banks voice*

 

Self Titiled is amazing even though B'Day and Renaissance >>>>>>>>>
 

Lemonade on the other hand… but today is its day thanks to Apple so I guess I'll pretend to like it right? 

 

 

how can yall not like BDay as much as I do ? Loud Yoncé >>>>>>>> 

Oh Lemonade...lol

 

I all at once live for how revered it is and what it "means" to her discography and career at large.

 

...All the while I don't particularly care for it in the grand scheme of her discography. It's absolutely the album I revisit least. 

 

Will say this til the wheels fall off: I will forever marvel at the irony that the "least" sounding Beyonce album is the album critically deemed her "best". Something about that is so off to me. I don't like the wider semantics of that fact either. Both in regards of what came before it and what came after it.

 

IMO, people (especially critics) struggle to tease apart the **music** on Lemonade from the wider era (the social discourse, the political climate, the movie, the tour, etc).

 

To many, IMO, it's all blended into one. So, with the "era" being monumental, so too (apparently) is the music at its center. And that's the part I fundamentally disagree with. Almost all of the music on Lemonade was missing from the RWT and not one (us included) batted an eyelid...which I think says everything that needs to be said about the true engagement with the music on the album (compared to the era at large). 

 

Make no mistake, though. I'm glad to see Bey rank so highly on lists like this. Even if only for the industry recognition and as a mass talking point. It speaks to how respected she is. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

Oh Lemonade...lol

 

I all at once live for how revered it is and what it "means" to her discography and career at large.

 

...All the while I don't particularly care for it in the grand scheme of her discography. It's absolutely the album I revisit least. 

 

Will say this til the wheels fall off: I will forever marvel at the irony that the "least" sounding Beyonce album is the album critically deemed her "best". Something about that is so off to me. I don't like the wider semantics of it either. Both in regards of what came before it and what came after it.

 

IMO, people (especially critics) struggle to tease apart the **music** on Lemonade from the wider era (the social discourse, the political climate, the movie, the tour, etc).

 

To many, IMO, it's all blended into one. So, with the "era" being monumental, so too (apparently) is the music at its center. And that's the part I fundamentally disagree with. Almost all of the music on Lemonade was missing from the RWT and not one (us included) batted an eyelid...which I think says everything that needs to be said about the true engagement with the music on the album (compared to the era at large). 

 

Make no mistake, though. I'm glad to see Bey rank so highly on lists like this. Even if only for the industry recognition and as a mass talking point. It speaks to how respected she is. 

 

 

Interesting, while I agree with most of what you said I have a somewhat different perspective. 

 

Would you still have the same overall opinion of Lemonade if she had actually let the era breathe? If singles were done properly and the album success matched the overwhelming critical acclaim? 

 

This has been my main frustration with Beyonce in general and it's not about "chasing charts". She's stifling so much of her greatest work, Beyonce, Lemonade, Renaissance, and now CC that when you see it in comparison to the greatest albums of all time the public perception is why is it there? There is too much disconnect and that shouldn't be the case. The apple top ten albums list ALL had massive single success that even if most of the gp hadn't listened to those albums they have an understanding for why it's there.  Her albums should constantly be revisited for the cultural reset it creates at the beginning but they don't have the longevity bc she doesn't let it marinate with the public. 

Edited May 22, 20242 yr by sillycilla

45 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Interesting, while I agree with most of what you said I have a somewhat different perspective. 

 

Would you still have the same overall opinion of Lemonade if she had actually let the era breathe? If singles were done properly and the album success matched the overwhelming critical acclaim? 

 

This has been my main frustration with Beyonce in general and it's not about "chasing charts". She's stifling so much of her greatest work, Beyonce, Lemonade, Renaissance, and now CC that when you see it in comparison to the greatest albums of all time the public perception is why is it there? There is too much disconnect and that shouldn't be the case. The apple top ten albums list ALL had massive single success that even if most of the gp hadn't listened to those albums they have an understanding for why it's there.  Her albums should constantly be revisited for the cultural reset it creates at the beginning but they don't have the longevity bc she doesn't let it marinate with the public. 

I also agree with a lot of this. 

 

IMO, the reality is that none of us (myself included) are above being marketed to. Similarly, we're not above feeling the disconnect you mention when we're actively "not" marketed to enough. As has been the case with Bey in more recent eras. 

 

With Lemonade, a lot of the era felt front-loaded and tour-focused, so after the surprise drop/movie/tour launch, if it wasn't already single it kinda fell by the wayside. And we all know what happened with the streaming side of things. Sometimes ish needs to marinate. 

 

I think, to a degree, that's what's happening with CC. IMO, CC is objectively way better than Lemonade, but I don't find myself listening to it much because there is nothing happening promotionally to incentivize that atm.

 

Overall, though, marketing or not, Lemonade does not (for lack of better pun) "taste" like Beyonce in the most representative sense. So I would go as far as to say it's almost impossible for it to be seen as defining of her artistry in the way critics and lists like this seem hell-bent on "making" the case.

 

IMO, it also minimizes the greatness of her authentically defining sound and almost seems to support the mindset that saw the material before and after it constantly getting overlooked when it comes to accolades like the Grammys. The irony being that that music doesn't win and neither does her supposedly "best" album Lemonade. 

All I ever wanted from Bey was Billies current rollout - perfect vinyl situation, great push on social media and streaming, release of MV of lead single, instant Interview focussing on the process of creating the album, late night show + performance of lead single.. like, is that really too much to ask for? Or should that actually be regarded the bare minimum?

 

Its truly unbelievable that shes SO weird handling her rollouts. The fact that CC Was initially able to compete with all these albums and died like that - wow. How can they (Bey and her team) look at that and be like "its whatever, we slayed week 1". I will never understand

With all of the tour rumors floating around, I will say that it helps to take the edge off to think that she's just in rehearsals and hasn't totally forgotten about the album.

 

So like Fantasia said, I_believe.mp3

 

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

All I ever wanted from Bey was Billies current rollout - perfect vinyl situation, great push on social media and streaming, release of MV of lead single, instant Interview focussing on the process of creating the album, late night show + performance of lead single.. like, is that really too much to ask for? Or should that actually be regarded the bare minimum?

 

Its truly unbelievable that shes SO weird handling her rollouts. The fact that CC Was initially able to compete with all these albums and died like that - wow. How can they (Bey and her team) look at that and be like "its whatever, we slayed week 1". I will never understand

I'm with you and largely agree. 

 

I've always leaned more towards her latter-day rollouts (or lack thereof) being more "weird" than indicative of her "not caring" as I see thrown around here so much. 

 

Simply listening to Bey's albums makes clear the level of care poured into the product, so I just don't buy that she "doesn't care" how it does.

 

What I do think, though, is that her present-day approach reminds that even the "best" artists can be disconnected from the reality of what is optimally best for their projects.

 

Because, while I don't think any of us expect B'Day levels of insane promotion today, the whole "release and promote as, when, and how I feel" just doesn't work as well as she thinks it does. I'm not sure it's the flex she thinks it is either.  

 

That said, she's forcing me to grow up as a stan. In the sense that it's abundantly clear that she really has tried and true bullet points for each act/era that she takes a "nothing more, nothing less" approach to ticking off.

 

Per era, we're getting:

 

* 1 "properly worked" hit single 

* A Well-Selling Album 

* A Tour or Live Thing

* A Longform Visual (Pending)

* Aspects of all of the above that present as a "surprise"

 

 

She essentially has been doing the same/similar rollout for over a decade and tweaking it here and there to "present" it differently. The different aspect atm being the "acts" thing. It's all just clever marketing. Whenever the visual does arrive, the reality is that it's essentially another BIK/Lemonade/ST packaged differently. I'd bet on it at most being 1.5-2 hours max and not featuring every song in full video format. 

 

I hate to throw the wife/mom of 3 thing up again, but all evidence points to her (from her lens) working smarter not harder. Sis will tick box the same deliverables per era and take more and more time doing it...while clever marketing will bamboozle us into thinking it's something vastly different to what she's been doing. 

Edited May 22, 20242 yr by Cbreezy