45 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

give it a few more years and Ren is getting Lemonade’d so bad 

 

her not having a single song above +1M is just bad no matter how you spin it…

 

 

 

Uff and that during the tour -  a car crash Halo is coming fr

I'm in denial

5 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Uff and that during the tour -  a car crash Halo is coming fr

the way not even halo pulls 800k like has it ever been this bad for us ? 

I’m still trying to understand the logic behind only having the wristbands for the filmed show (allegedly). Does she think her fans are going to be happy watching a show that 90% of them didn’t get to see (but helped pay for)?

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58 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

give it a few more years and Ren is getting Lemonade’d so bad 

 

her not having a single song above +1M is just bad no matter how you spin it…

 

 

 

I guess the "she wants us to experience the music by itself" strategy isn't working 

I'm so ready for the tour to end tbh. 

And not a moment too soon before someone ends up dead during the mute challenge  

7 minutes ago, QueenB said:

I guess the "she wants us to experience the music by itself" strategy isn't working 

not the visual-less experience got shipped back 

5 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I'm not ready for the tour to end tbh. 

 

12 minutes ago, QueenB said:

I guess the "she wants us to experience the music by itself" strategy isn't working 

this would imply the strategy was commercially, not artistically minded.

31 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

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now what the **** is this like

 

 

ENOUGH!

16 minutes ago, swissman said:

this would imply the strategy was commercially, not artistically minded.

well since the visuals being released depended on the price streaming services would pay for them, the perfume, a $25 million performance for dubai, the $600 tiffany necklaces, the balmain $500 tshirts.. I'm going with commercially! 

Edited September 26, 20232 yr by QueenB

I recently went to a no-skip renaissance tour set list night at a club in Chicago, and it was one of the funnest experiences I’ve ever had on a night out. The HIVE knows how to ******* get down and you could just feel the love and energy in that packed bar lmao. Guess I’m a fan now. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, QueenB said:

I guess the "she wants us to experience the music by itself" strategy isn't working 

No one would have guessed.

 

Two of her best work getting this treatment. 
 

Yesterday we were discussing signature tours and it’s kind of crazy when you think about it. The bad tour was accompanied by a record breaking album, same with velvet rope etc. Beyoncé is doing well off the strength of her name at the moment. At some point the music will need to be prioritized and not in an out of sight out of mind way they’ve been doing. 

40 minutes ago, QueenB said:

well since the visuals being released depended on the price streaming services would pay for them, the perfume, a $25 million performance for dubai, the $600 tiffany necklaces, the balmain $500 tshirts.. I'm going with commercially! 

You listed a bunch of times where Beyoncé does have commercial aims, none of which is what we're talking about. It's possible for her to have those goals in one regard, but not others, clearly, since the Hive here spends so much time lamenting her non-commercially-minded choices.

 

My point is simple: her "strategy" to release just the music is for artistic, not commercial purposes. It seems to aim for listeners to connect to it in their own, personal way. Whether or not this translates to mass appeal is another story completely, so evaluating whether it "worked" or not based on streaming numbers is the wrong metric, if there is one at all.

 

Do you really think not releasing visuals and not performing singles (outside the tour, many months later) is an attempt for commercial (streaming) success, just because she also has brand deals?

she is simply not as hungry for success as 29-year-old Michael Jackson or 30-year-old Janet Jackson. she likely won't ever prioritize album promo, especially when she can break touring records without doing any promo besides being the best performer dead or alive. 

We go round in circles, round in circles searching for visuals 

20 hours ago, Starshine said:

I went last night, there was only one person who flopped with the challenge and there were people shushing her which made it worse like just shut up. She was just having a good time and the subconsciousness jumped out.

 

But lemme tell you Club Renaissance, Club Carter or whatever is the only ticket I'll be purchasing in the future. The seating area is just not the vibe, you have people there just to flex on the gram, on their camera roll the entire time not even watching the show, sitting down. The people around you elevates the experience and I need to be down there with the Hive again. Vegas Hive were literally so sweet, it felt like family and I will NOT be seated with the casuals again no ma'am. (also wasn't much of a pleasing experience because this girl smelled like fierce booboo from the butt) 

Golden Circle  was amazing, I think as long as you're standing you can situate yourself around fellow fans & people looking to get invested in a good time. 

31 minutes ago, swissman said:

My point is simple: her "strategy" to release just the music is for artistic, not commercial purposes.

the album wasn’t free so that automatically cancels this theory. She’s just weird but she remains a commercial artist (not a bad thing)
 

32 minutes ago, swissman said:

Do you really think not releasing visuals and not performing singles (outside the tour, many months later) is an attempt for commercial (streaming) success, just because she also has brand deals?

Yes. She’s clearly looking for the highest possible deal.

21 hours ago, the greatest said:

I agree with the lack of professional footage cementing these tours as defining moments.  I will never understand why FWT was never released.  That was her first solo stadium tour and it was such a moment.  Especially with the monolith.  Out of all ppl, I would’ve expected her to release FWT as it was a great show but also for the sake of it being her first solo stadium tour.  That’s always a huge milestone for any artist.  
 

And this is one of Beyoncé's biggest problems. The reason that she hasn't soared much after Lemonade : she doesn't create contents specifically for fans anymore imo. 

 

FWT was not just her first stadium tour, it was the first female stadium tour in history. But there's no DVD of it. Nowhere to watch it.

She only went to two continents and tells people to watch it in their mind when a bunch of her fans didn't and couldn't go. 

 

That tour can not be defining, it can also not be remembered or revisited in 30 years down the line because there's no professional footage of it. People in the villages of Africa, Asia and non MJ stans know how iconic Bad tour was because they saw it on TV, on YTB, on DVD, on their bootleg's copies. 

 

As good as RTW is, it probably will not have footage so her defining tour will be TBE and live moments : Coachella and Glastonbury. 

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

I’m still trying to understand the logic behind only having the wristbands for the filmed show (allegedly). Does she think her fans are going to be happy watching a show that 90% of them didn’t get to see (but helped pay for)?

Fans aren't that petty, it's a non issue really... no one will send more then 5 seconds dwelling on net getting wristbands.

 

She probably had it as a late idea that could make for some nice edits of the crowd 

14 hours ago, Devin said:

Nicki know Bey ain’t the type that be in drama + her having that MJ effect (well known and heavily admired by many celebs) shes gonna be around artists she don’t fw.

 

If Nicki tried that she know it will put her in a horrible light and bring too much bad press/media attention to risk it lol.

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5 minutes ago, BnPac said:

And this is one of Beyoncé's biggest problems. The reason that she hasn't soared much after Lemonade : she doesn't create contents specifically for fans anymore imo. 

 

FWT was not just her first stadium tour, it was the first female stadium tour in history. But there's no DVD of it. Nowhere to watch it.

She only went to two continents and tells people to watch it in their mind when a bunch of her fans didn't and couldn't go. 

 

That tour can not be defining, it can also not be remembered or revisited in 30 years down the line because there's no professional footage of it. People in the villages of Africa, Asia and non MJ stans know how iconic Bad tour was because they saw it on TV, on YTB, on DVD, on their bootleg's copies. 

 

As good as RTW is, it probably will not have footage so her defining tour will be TBE and live moments : Coachella and Glastonbury. 

All the tours will see the light of day at some point 

1 minute ago, Otter said:

Fans aren't that petty, it's a non issue really... no one will send more then 5 seconds dwelling on net getting wristbands.

 

She probably had it as a late idea that could make for some nice edits of the crowd 

Honestly no. My bestie, who is not a fan, actually pointed out how its quite unfair to the people in Stockholm how little she gave them energy-wise compared to now. He sees some of the clips on TikTok and says the difference is crazy, so the wristbands are just another thing on top

1 minute ago, Otter said:

All the tours will see the light of day at some point 

And you know this because?