2 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

I don't believe for one second Bey expects to perform less commercially than she does. The lady has been doing this for 25 years. Y'all just say that to try to explain her lack of trying  ultimately, she just doesn't give a ****. 

 

Right  She clearly doesn’t want to be more commercially profitable than she already is and some people trying to blame Parkwood or whatever is just funny. She could have had 1-3 more top 10 singles from this album which would have carried it and she did not want that. Period.

Parkwood = Beyonce in my eyes. 

 

Then there are just idiot cosigners like yvette.

EIL sucks and was a clear last minute attempt to justify the tour and sell tickets. That's the entire reason they recorded it in like one week in a damn stadium.  

 

Summer and Apeshit are enjoyable and I liked Nice at the time, but it aged horribly. The album was full of cringe lyrics and the production was dated on arrival. I'll never forget the way y'all went up for the mumble fest that is Friends.

 

SALUD! was actually my favorite song of that album and you can't even easily access it.

4 minutes ago, Demiboyx said:

Exactly.

 

And people are acting like it was Beyoncé on the phone making all these dumb af bookings, sewing the shitty merch and pressing the vinyls herself like she doesn't have a team full of dumbasses making these stupid decisions. 

Um, she is still responsible for those things. She's been touring for 20+ years and should understand venues. She should also know what a nice t-shirt looks like. Y'all need to stop making excuses for poor decisions and mediocrity at this stage in her career 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

I don't believe for one second Bey expects to perform less commercially than she does. The lady has been doing this for 25 years. Y'all just say that to try to explain her lack of trying  ultimately, she just doesn't give a ****. 

 

but she clearly does give a ****  

 

the whole "queen doesn’t care about charts” thing is tired, yes she does, otherwise she wouldn’t use Voldemort’s tactics of releasing quick lil remixes, instrumentals and so on to boost her song to #1.

 

she wouldn’t put up a month long preorder with vinyls for her new album

 

she wouldn’t brag about her stats in her music 24/7 if she didn’t give **** 

 

she/her team play into these new strategies and clearly still (somewhat) try to keep up with her peers / new generation. sure they fumble it and could do WAY more with the exact same effort they put in now (which is barely the basic minimum lol), but it’s clear she still cares about commercial success (which makes the whole self sabotage and half assed strategies even more nonsensical )

The correct answer she doesn’t care. She’s comfortable in doing what she wants when she wants. Only part that bothers me is she could easily capitalize and extend her hit singles of new era but again she dgaf. 

17 minutes ago, bijonse said:

That’s what I’m saying it was her singing hooks on his songs and then going into his style instead of her singing songs and having him as a feature like smh I blame him she probably wanted to let him have his moment on those songs. Summer and Apeshit are exceptions to that though. 
 

the album sounds more like all those jay ft Beyoncé songs you listed and nothing like the Beyoncé ft jay songs that are way better 

I get that, but also think she wasn't trying to make something that sounded like her own work.

a lot of the hive also swears she doesn’t care about the grammys, the oscar’s etc and yet every time she’s sitting front row at these shows looking like : 

RWT is nominated at the VMAs btw. 

1 minute ago, PrettyHurts said:

Um, she is still responsible for those things. She's been touring for 20+ years and should understand venues. She should also know what a nice t-shirt looks like. Y'all need to stop making excuses for poor decisions and mediocrity at this stage in her career 

 

 

As the owner she is responsible but in reality she is not going to check everything in detail when she's on a yacht in Capri or St Tropez or wherever. The team still clearly act autonomously and have made various stupid blunders, they are all as short sighted as each other which is why she needs a refresh.

She likes success and accolades because it feeds her ego, just like any human being. But she is not going to go out of her way to go get those things. If she really wanted oscars and smash hits she would campaign and do promo like everyone else.

 

 

Parkwood has had several refreshes in a decade of business so whether you like how they operate or not, the onus falls on her.

5 minutes ago, Demiboyx said:

As the owner she is responsible but in reality she is not going to check everything in detail when she's on a yacht in Capri or St Tropez or wherever. The team still clearly act autonomously and have made various stupid blunders, they are all as short sighted as each other which is why she needs a refresh.

The way PW moves at a snail's pace, I don't think they get very much done without her approval. Maybe the tour photo updates at best. Other than that, I honestly believe every decision goes through her. that's why she created PW in the first place, so she could do things her way. Y'all are not giving her enough credit for her intelligence and industry knowledge. Please remember she was raised by Mathew Knowles and is married to Jay-z. Two people who managed and ran artists/labels. She knows what she's doing. She's had a front row seat to the way the industry works for the past 30 years

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30 minutes ago, bijonse said:

An artsy music film is just not gonna attract the attention of people outside the her hardcore stans the same way smaller music videos would so if she’s tryna get millions and millions for them then yeah that’s unrealistic BUT if she really thinks she can just tour the US and a couple EU cities like she’s some small artist and not THEE Beyoncé THEE star THEE female artist that everyone looks up to then that’s also unrealistic 

This sound contradictory though. If she's THEE Beyoncé who should and could tour the world with her fame and cultural notoriety, why should she be undersold for her work, too?

 

I think the missing thing people have in this discussion (which is based on assumptions all around) is that the price isn't just what they're getting on paper but the cultural capital and artistic impact of the film itself as well. Studios make "Oscar bait". They usually are not going to make much money unless they win big, but it's worth the risk for the prestige and branding that you are afforded, more than an animated sequel from a spin-off franchise offers even if it makes the studio more money.

 

Whomever gets RENAISSANCE visuals on their platform is buying into what essentially amounts to a luxury brand. The cost of which usually far greater than what it affords you.

I found that "Hell" gas station video on Nadia's IG. It's from... September 16, 2019. And the thumbnail of the video is her on a massive billboard, just like the BMS visualizer and RWT intro...

 

Spoiler

 

I feel like Beyoncé is the cover star of Any Warhol-founded Interview Magazine’s September 2023 Issue. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I haven’t been in this base in a while. Y’all are really lashing Giselle today. What did she do?

7 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

The way PW moves at a snail's pace, I don't think they get very much done without her approval. Maybe the tour photo updates at best. Other than that, I honestly believe every decision goes through her. that's why she created PW in the first place, so she could do things her way. Y'all are not giving her enough credit for her intelligence and industry knowledge. Please remember she was raised by Mathew Knowles and is married to Jay-z. Two people who managed and ran artists/labels. She knows what she's doing. She's had a front row seat to the way the industry works for the past 30 years

Booking Tottenham when Wembley is right there, the Paris dates, you think that she would decide to do 4 extra last minute London dates with all her years of experience?

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1 minute ago, Demiboyx said:

Booking Tottenham when Wembley is right there, the Paris dates, you think that sounds like she would decide to do 4 extra last minute London dates with all her years of experience?

She probably couldn't book the ideal venues because they waited too late to finalize tour plans. She announced very late compared to other tours. Whether that was because of a foot injury we're not sure. But we do know she made time for her exclusive Dubai performance. 

13 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

She likes success and accolades because it feeds her ego, just like any human being. But she is not going to go out of her way to go get those things. If she really wanted oscars and smash hits she would campaign and do promo like everyone else.

 

 

4 is absolutely the crux of her career because of this. She went IN on that era about an album and genre she was so passionate about. The initial reception and discourse that album changed so much of her approach to things. Some for better. Some for worse.

Be careful #that fanbase lurking rn.

Whats good? 👋🏾
 

2 minutes ago, FSXP said:

4 is absolutely the crux of her career because of this. She went IN on that era about an album and genre she was so passionate about. The initial reception and discourse that album changed so much of her approach to things. Some for better. Some for worse.

4 absolutely traumatized her

51 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

While they may seem opposite, the common denominators of both sentiments are that she's out of touch, has questionable judgement, and is bad at fanservice.

 

And these things are true

What I don't get about this critique is that Beyoncé spent 15 years under Matthew Knowles, and executed his playbook nearly exactly during the 4 era.

Not only did she highly promote it, remain in touch to what the public would want from her (ie. releasing BTINH when RTW flopped), had good judgment (releasing/promoting Love on Top as her pregnancy announcement which made the song into perhaps the era's biggest hit) and provided a lot of fan-service (so many interviews, a documentary, several concert specials, releasing more singles than an era normally would have, given its success, plus videos for songs that weren't even singles)...these things are clearly known to her. If she's not doing these, do you think she simply forgot what to do? Or is it more that she's not making them a priority in her career?

3 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

She probably couldn't book the ideal venues because they waited too late to finalize tour plans. She announced very late compared to other tours. Whether that was because of a foot injury we're not sure. But we do know she made time for her exclusive Dubai performance. 

I'm sorry but the math isn't mathing, they were already booking these for summer last year theres some speculation that it got rescheduled to this year, so they had enough time to finalise the plans before and after (if she was injured).

 

It's either she has her foot off the pedal or whoever is in charge doesn't know what they are doing, in reality the truth is somewhere close to the middle. If she didn't care about where it was she would be booking arenas instead or she wouldn't tour.

5 minutes ago, swissman said:

What I don't get about this critique is that Beyoncé spent 15 years under Matthew Knowles, and executed his playbook nearly exactly during the 4 era.

The former (out of touch) is informing the latter (dubious decision-making and taste). She wasn't always out of touch, she got that way. It happens. It's not that she has an obligation to do what her fans demand, but that it's weirdo behavior to habitually undermine their perfectly reasonable expectations year in and year out for like a decade