3 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

But guess who has to be smart enough to put them in place and ensure they deliver to an optimal level...Beyonce. 

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting what's not computing about this point. 

 

I'm as big of a stan as they come, but it really is ok to not BS about our fave's shortcomings. 

 

Bey has run Parkwood since 4. Like any business, she's got it right, she's got it wrong, got it right again, and wrong again. It's literally part of the dance. 

 

But, I'm sorry, it's not right for us to blame everyone but her when ish goes wrong but praise primarily her for when it goes right. 

 

That's blind stanning IMO. 

 

I am totally down with the idea that there's room for improvement and industry-savvy minds she can add to her ship, but that's the key thing: it's her ship, that she's driving. Part of being a boss is identifying your players, giving them a strategy to deploy on, and overseeing to ensure it's optimal. An artist-led ship will always encounter these occasional issues because there is no feasible way to be 100% over your artistry while being 100% over your business while being 100% clued up on the dos and don'ts of both. 

It’s kind of far fetched to think that she’s hiring these people on a salary just to say no to their every decision, when we can clearly see Yvette and co’s sign offs on the badly botched pr statements and other bad marketing decisions. I can see Beyoncé’s doing as well but if she has a team of yes men around her like you’re suggesting we’re even more doomed than we thought.

For starters: 

When a company wins/loses, its always the CEO who is being called out as a representative.

So Parkwood doing a bad job is directly Bey doing a bad job. They win together, they lose together, and Bey is always on the forefront

 

Homegirl is gifted with beauty, creativity, musical prowess, charisma, etc, but a business-major she is not

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22 hours ago, BnPac said:

You can't be mad at other artists for taking things further just like we can't be mad at Alexander Graham Bell for taking things further and giving us the telephone. 

I’m 22 hours and like 30 pages late but this took me out last night 

10 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

But guess who has to be smart enough to put them in place and ensure they deliver to an optimal level...Beyonce. 

 

With all due respect, I'm not getting what's not computing about this point. 

 

I'm as big of a stan as they come, but it really is ok to not BS about our fave's shortcomings. 

 

Bey has run Parkwood since 4. Like any business, she's got it right, she's got it wrong, got it right again, and wrong again. It's literally part of the dance. 

 

But, I'm sorry, it's not right for us to blame everyone but her when ish goes wrong but praise primarily her for when it goes right. 

 

That's blind stanning IMO. 

 

I am totally down with the idea that there's room for improvement and industry-savvy minds she can add to her ship, but that's the key thing: it's her ship, that she's driving. Part of being a boss is identifying your players, giving them a strategy to deploy on, and overseeing to ensure it's optimal. An artist-led ship will always encounter these occasional issues because there is no feasible way to be 100% over your artistry while being 100% over your business while being 100% clued up on the dos and don'ts of both. 

I’m with you. It’s been said over and over here at different times, but it is unrealistic to expect her immense vocal and creative talents to translate to an immense business acumen as well. She clearly has some business sense but everyone can’t be everything all at once, which is why you have a team in place that should have their expertise respected and utilized. 

 

I literally have my bachelors in Journalism and Creative Writing AND have my MBA (masters), and I’m constantly challenged by my boss and team when I provide edits to presentations or when I provide literal data for why a project shouldn’t move forward. That’s how hierarchy works. If she doesn’t want to do it, despite the advice, she won’t do it. All of you in here with your business and marketing suggestions really think Parkwood teams don’t have the same or better ideas that just don’t get executed?

 

But I also have a few folks on my team who could get gone so maybe her team just sucks, who knows 

That edgelordic fashion photographer girly supposedly being the sole director is so unthrilling to me, Idk.

 

1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

I know we love Bey, but we can't keep blaming Parkwood when she heads it up lol.

When we say Parkwood, we mean the 4x AOTY loser. Don’t you worry  

7 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said:

That edgelordic fashion photographer girly supposedly being the sole director is so unthrilling to me, Idk.

 

why ? everything we’ve seen visual wise this era has been nothing but serves, why would that change now ? plus she seems to be a Kubrick stan which is a good sign 

 

 

i just hope frederik heyman contributed to the film too and they somehow blend his futuristic 3D elements with Nadia’s more vintage / glam approach 

i give it 2 days until y’all start ranking film directors  

40 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Homegirl is gifted with beauty, creativity, musical prowess, charisma, etc, but a business-major she is not

she is genius when it comes to her music but for everything else she has the brain of a frog

51 minutes ago, Lovett said:

It had literally nothing to do with Beyoncé, nor a competition. I thought the topic was interesting, so created the thread. Some of you need to stop worrying about other fanbases' opinions on here.

nnn i just saw it. If this was Beyoncé, there would already be 2 threads in each section of the forum

7 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i give it 2 days until y’all start ranking film directors  

Nadia Lee Cohen (haven’t seen the film but yeah it’s already the best) > Beyoncé > Jake Nava > Jonas Akerlund > Hype Williams > Pierre Desbuscherre > Melina Matsouskas > Khalil Joseph

1 hour ago, Blue Rose said:

Nadia Lee Cohen (haven’t seen the film but yeah it’s already her best

and we have a winner  i don’t know how anyone can doubt that this will be her best film ever 

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The way everything finally clicks together after months of confusion 

 

All these stories about Bey planning small, then acting shocked that she needs to meet demand are disinhearting. Like the ST drop. She saw how well the GP supported Lemonade while doing the bare minimum. She was behind Drake and Adele for best selling album.

 

Yes the Gift flopped, but she had to know that she didn't even put enough into the movies promo run to warrant a decent enough return. 

 

I want Beyonce to fully realize her commercial appeal and take her place on the throne. You are a big enough artist to the point where these messy rollouts are unacceptable. I appreciate her staying grounded, but Yvette and others gotta go. They cannot handle her star power. The leak said it all! 

OMG https://x.com/lemonzeid/status/1697280729225343382?s=46&t=mor8tSkkfxz2-9jwqrzZtg

52 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i give it 2 days until y’all start ranking film directors  

I mean…have we ever ranked the music videos/visuals individually? 

18 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

OMG https://x.com/lemonzeid/status/1697280729225343382?s=46&t=mor8tSkkfxz2-9jwqrzZtg

Woooooow which one of y’all is out here? 

2 hours ago, Demiboyx said:

Marketing and roll out is definitely in Parkwoods realm of control. They could have gauged interest by having a staggered rollout, singles, EPs etc, could have shopped deals before the album was released.

 

She heads Parkwood but if it had competent people that are able to back their rationale with proof and numbers, I’m sure she’d pay attention.

 

 

Parkwood are not deciding on singles or EPs for Beyonce. They're also not determining how she approaches the production of a film etc. In the case of BIK Bey literally decided after a few music vids that she wanted to do a visual album... Parkwood in all honestly are probably just reacting to her impulses lol.

 

In sure there's fault on their side but I really wouldn't do too much on them besides distribution of the album, vinyls, merch etc 

It sometimes seems like this base is stanning two different women:

 

1. A woman who is known to do things at her own pace, in her own way, to the detriment of her commercial success, as she pleases, with disregard for the "common" tradition of pop marketing as she sees fit relative to her art or the reverence for which she wishes to hold her art.
2. A woman with no business acumen of her own who wants success but just has a terrible team she's not the boss of and couldn't possibly do anything about even if she tried, who is at the whims of her publicist Yvette, and who doesn't realize that if she doesn't promote or release at the right times, might flop, and when she does, is going to come complaining to her fans about it.
   
   Depending on the Beyoncé news cycle, either woman is brought up, but only one of them is the [moreorless] accurate depiction of how she approaches her work.

22 minutes ago, bwhansen said:

The way everything finally clicks together after months of confusion 

 

And this is why I laugh when people act like she doesn’t drop easter eggs! She is always teasing.

 

I’m even more convinced now that the things that have been happening from the Echoville articles to her ripping off that chrome mesh breastplate thing to reveal the red heart underneath are all leading somewhere.

2 minutes ago, tachiwaka said:

And this is why I laugh when people act like she doesn’t drop easter eggs! She is always teasing.

 

They're acting like she did not say "I feel a Renaissance emerging" a whole year before the album was announced.

3 minutes ago, swissman said:

It sometimes seems like this base is stanning two different women:

 

1. A woman who is known to do things at her own pace, in her own way, to the detriment of her commercial success, as she pleases, with disregard for the "common" tradition of pop marketing as she sees fit relative to her art or the reverence for which she wishes to hold her art.

3 hours ago, Demiboyx said:

Hearing all of this tea about Parkwood fumbling again just let’s me know that she’s not in good hands, she needs to reshuffle the entire org just like she did for her creative/touring team.

 

The fact that the thought she was gonna flop, just setting my sister up for failure is just…

The mess of Chloe and Halle’s solo stuff also confirms Parkwood is currently in the pits. They really need to get it together 

24 minutes ago, Tripthelight said:

I mean…have we ever ranked the music videos/visuals individually? 

now don’t give them any ideas 

 

22 minutes ago, Otter said:

In sure there's fault on their side but I really wouldn't do too much on them besides distribution of the album, vinyls, merch etc 

yeah but they can’t even do that correctly… how do you start an era and the vinyls aren’t ready and have to be shipped 4 months later, why wasn’t there enough stock for the preorders, only one measly CD on album release with ? a single limited edition vinyl (that was VERY limited) when any indie artist these days has at least 5-6 vinyl variations for preorder and certain fellow pop girls have like 15 different vinyls lol… 

 

those ugly cheap merch collabs no one wants instead of just restocking the limited edition album merch people DID like and which sold out too fast (i’ll buy that cunty rolling tray before i buy a 50€ amazon sweatshop shirt) 

 

if they just handled the vinyls and cds better the album would’ve debuted with 500k instead of 300k… and they can’t even get that right 

 

they even fumble the basics like when they released Cuff It, AHAP remix etc… they didn’t even put them together in a single playlist with the already released singles (something EVERY artist does now) so that they’d ALL get a boost from the new release

6 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

He did this AFTER giving it a theatrical release in exclusive partnership with AMC theaters. He got his check via that means, so the YouTube +iTunes availability is just an added bonus. 

 

It was an artsy/fartsy wannabe BIK (complete with the same directors) and wasn't really super narrative-driven, so I wonder if he faced what Jeff Sneider suggests was Bey's issue some six months ago. Streamers who were once shelling out big bucks for projects like that are being more careful with their coins.

She should do the same atp it’s been almost 2 years just put it somewhere it’s easy to watch for the fans

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by bijonse