2 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Rude Boy came out in 2009 on Rated R. and that album was an underperformance and 2010 was the year Lady Gaga was the #1 artist in the world. During Loud it was Adele.

 

Rihanna is known for not having a huge peak like some of her peers but being very consistent nonetheless.  

No Rude Boy was released as a single in 2010. The year Rihanna had four number one hits in a calendar year which was the most for a female artist at that point (I'm not sure if that's been surpassed I don't keep up with the numbers anymore). But Rihanna in that period was huge and literally no one else has sold like Adele from this century so does that mean it's only Adele that has big peaks? This site is absolutely nuts Midnights can be considered a huge peak but Loud wasn't?

 Christina's peak was on par with Beyonce's peak. 

 

Christina Aguilera (debut album) - 17.5M units

Stripped - 13.95M units

 

 

5 minutes ago, Power love said:

All of that was in the span of a decade & she’s had massive hits even past that as mainstream. So this is incorrect. Sorry . Try again. 

But only two full albums. She'd washed up faster if she had released them earlier.

Pink - M!ssundaztood - 17.5M units 

A lot of the names y’all be saying in here make no sense at all. 

2 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

 Christina's peak was on par with Beyonce's peak. 

 

Christina Aguilera (debut album) - 17.5M units

Stripped - 13.95M units

 

 

Beyonce has 2 albums bigger than Christina’s biggest, and much more and bigger hits. 
 

She’s on par with Bday 

Rihanna felt the smallest

If we’re looking at peak album wise it’s objectively Ariana. TUN pales in comparison to other MPG’s biggest albums. 

 

People saying Rihanna as if she doesn’t still hold the 2010s record for most #1s in a calendar year by a female artist 

9 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Midnights can be considered a huge peak but Loud wasn't?

Not the best example considering Midnights will surpass Loud's 13 years of units by its 2nd anniversary 

9 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

A lot of the names y’all be saying in here make no sense at all. 

Beyonce has 2 albums bigger than Christina’s biggest, and much more and bigger hits. 
 

She’s on par with Bday 

Actually she's on par with DiL.

DiL - 18.7M

B'Day - 14.4M

 

This includes singles too, without single sales Christina outsells her.

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by Aristotle

6 minutes ago, Alexz said:

She'd washed up faster

Aw I love your made up narrative in your head but what’s happening in reality is your weird obsession with Xtina. 
 

Message me if you need step by step help with dealing with it. Free of charge 

 

Good luck! 

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Not the best example considering Midnights will surpass Loud's 13 years of units by its 2nd anniversary 

Midnights is a huge era but it's in no way bigger than Loud

 

Bigger sales worldwide, bigger singles.

 

Loud:

Australia (ARIA)[230]	3× Platinum	210,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)[231]	Gold	10,000*
Belgium (BEA)[232]	Platinum	30,000*
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[233]	Platinum	40,000*
Canada (Music Canada)[234]	3× Platinum	240,000^
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[235]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
France	—	355,000[236]
GCC (IFPI Middle East)[237]	Gold	3,000*
Germany (BVMI)[238]	2× Platinum	400,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[239]	Gold	3,000^
Ireland (IRMA)[240]	5× Platinum	75,000^
Italy (FIMI)[241]	Platinum	60,000*
Japan (RIAJ)[242]	Gold	100,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[243]	Platinum	15,000^
Poland (ZPAV)[244]	3× Platinum	60,000*
Portugal (AFP)[245]	Gold	10,000^
Russia (NFPF)[246]	Gold	5,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[247]	Platinum	10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[248]	Gold	30,000^
Sweden (GLF)[249]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	7× Platinum	2,100,000‡
United States (RIAA)[131]	3× Platinum	1,800,000[

 

 

Midnights:

 

Australia (ARIA)[345]	2× Platinum	140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[346]	Platinum	15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[347]	Gold	10,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[348]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[349]	Platinum	20,000‡
France (SNEP)[350]	Gold	50,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[351]	Gold	100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[352]	Platinum	50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[353]	Platinum	140,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[354]	3× Platinum	45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[355]	Gold	10,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[356]	Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[357]	Platinum	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[358]	2× Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[359]	2× Platinum	2,454,000

 

 

OT: This site is literally dumb. GGGB moved over 60M records. That's a career's worth of records sold sold in one era but that's apparently not huge

 

 

3 hours ago, XtiRih said:

Xtina outsold Brittany (Stripped outsold ITZ, B2B outsold Circus and Blackout. And remember, B2B was sold at double the price because it's a double disc) from 2002 until at least 2008, and later in the 2010s she sold more albums and singles than her (yes, X sold MORE ALBUMS than B ). Stats from 1998-2001 are saving Britney's ass and you know it. Xtina stated that she prefers artistic freedom and we know how both ladies are doing in 2023. Spotify? Say thank you to scandals (as always with Britney)

I think the correct answer here is P!nk or anyone with a similar career trajectory (Selena Gomez). Her sales are impressive and she's had more longevity than some of her peers on charts throughout the years (singles and album sales alike) as well as being able to sell out stadiums, but her cultural impact and peak were never above some of her peers. Many mention Christina in this, but her cultural peak is undeniable and up there with Britney's despite her music becoming almost a non factor in the mainstream only a decade into her career. So while P!nk's career is very impressive, she never had a huge cultural peak even with 20 years of consistent success.

3 hours ago, XtiRih said:

Moves Like Jagger+Say Something sold more than all of Britney singles from the 2010s combined

20 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Midnights is a huge era but it's in no way bigger than Loud

 

Bigger sales worldwide, bigger singles.

 

Loud:

Australia (ARIA)[230]	3× Platinum	210,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)[231]	Gold	10,000*
Belgium (BEA)[232]	Platinum	30,000*
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[233]	Platinum	40,000*
Canada (Music Canada)[234]	3× Platinum	240,000^
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[235]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
France	—	355,000[236]
GCC (IFPI Middle East)[237]	Gold	3,000*
Germany (BVMI)[238]	2× Platinum	400,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[239]	Gold	3,000^
Ireland (IRMA)[240]	5× Platinum	75,000^
Italy (FIMI)[241]	Platinum	60,000*
Japan (RIAJ)[242]	Gold	100,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[243]	Platinum	15,000^
Poland (ZPAV)[244]	3× Platinum	60,000*
Portugal (AFP)[245]	Gold	10,000^
Russia (NFPF)[246]	Gold	5,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[247]	Platinum	10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[248]	Gold	30,000^
Sweden (GLF)[249]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	7× Platinum	2,100,000‡
United States (RIAA)[131]	3× Platinum	1,800,000[

 

 

Midnights:

 

Australia (ARIA)[345]	2× Platinum	140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[346]	Platinum	15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[347]	Gold	10,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[348]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[349]	Platinum	20,000‡
France (SNEP)[350]	Gold	50,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[351]	Gold	100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[352]	Platinum	50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[353]	Platinum	140,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[354]	3× Platinum	45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[355]	Gold	10,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[356]	Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[357]	Platinum	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[358]	2× Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[359]	2× Platinum	2,454,000

 

 

OT: This site is literally dumb. GGGB moved over 60M records. That's a career's worth of records sold sold in one era but that's apparently not huge

 

 

Certified Loud sales - 6.95M (13 years) 

 

Midnights official US + UK + Canada sales - +7M (13 months) 

 

I don't know what those dated certifications supposed to prove but Midnights, second biggest album of 2022 is bigger than Loud which was not even top 3 in its own year with Doo-Wops, Teenage Dream, My Worlds and Recovery all stomping on it. 

 

All aside, people don't call 2022-2023 Taylor's peak for Midnights only but also things like its tour outgrossing Rihanna's career total or her other album's total spending more weeks inside BB200 in a year than Rihanna's catalogue did in 17 years etc. so things don't seem really comparable i am afraid 

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by Artistofthedecade

16 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Midnights is a huge era but it's in no way bigger than Loud

 

Bigger sales worldwide, bigger singles.

 

Loud:

Australia (ARIA)[230]	3× Platinum	210,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)[231]	Gold	10,000*
Belgium (BEA)[232]	Platinum	30,000*
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[233]	Platinum	40,000*
Canada (Music Canada)[234]	3× Platinum	240,000^
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[235]	3× Platinum	60,000‡
France	—	355,000[236]
GCC (IFPI Middle East)[237]	Gold	3,000*
Germany (BVMI)[238]	2× Platinum	400,000‡
Hungary (MAHASZ)[239]	Gold	3,000^
Ireland (IRMA)[240]	5× Platinum	75,000^
Italy (FIMI)[241]	Platinum	60,000*
Japan (RIAJ)[242]	Gold	100,000^
New Zealand (RMNZ)[243]	Platinum	15,000^
Poland (ZPAV)[244]	3× Platinum	60,000*
Portugal (AFP)[245]	Gold	10,000^
Russia (NFPF)[246]	Gold	5,000*
Singapore (RIAS)[247]	Platinum	10,000*
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[248]	Gold	30,000^
Sweden (GLF)[249]	2× Platinum	80,000‡
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[250]	2× Platinum	60,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[148]	7× Platinum	2,100,000‡
United States (RIAA)[131]	3× Platinum	1,800,000[

 

 

Midnights:

 

Australia (ARIA)[345]	2× Platinum	140,000‡
Austria (IFPI Austria)[346]	Platinum	15,000‡
Belgium (BEA)[347]	Gold	10,000‡
Canada (Music Canada)[348]	2× Platinum	160,000‡
Denmark (IFPI Danmark)[349]	Platinum	20,000‡
France (SNEP)[350]	Gold	50,000‡
Germany (BVMI)[351]	Gold	100,000‡
Italy (FIMI)[352]	Platinum	50,000‡
Mexico (AMPROFON)[353]	Platinum	140,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)[354]	3× Platinum	45,000‡
Norway (IFPI Norway)[355]	Gold	10,000*
Poland (ZPAV)[356]	Platinum	20,000‡
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[357]	Platinum	40,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)[358]	2× Platinum	600,000‡
United States (RIAA)[359]	2× Platinum	2,454,000

 

 

OT: This site is literally dumb. GGGB moved over 60M records. That's a career's worth of records sold sold in one era but that's apparently not huge

 

 

You are comparing a year’s stats for Midnighta to 13 years for Loud. It is pretty obvious that Midnights will outsell in the long term ww

20 minutes ago, Alexz said:

 

16 minutes ago, Alexz said:

It’s all that left once you realize the delusions you made in your head and dreams isn’t reality. 
 

Truly heartbreaking. Everything will be ok . Keep on smiling stay strong! 
 

Step outside get some  air & wind!

1 hour ago, Selenasworld said:

They been here for over a decade are you ok?

Do you even know what the thread is about?

14 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Certified Loud sales - 6.95M (13 years) 

 

Midnights official US + UK + Canada sales - +7M (13 months) 

We'll need to see the receipts for this dear. Even the go-to swifties receipts Chartsmasters doesn't have Midnights outselling Loud

 

 

14 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

I don't know what those dated certifications supposed to prove but Midnights, second biggest album of 2022 is bigger than Loud which was not even top 3 in its own year with Doo-Wops, Teenage Dream, My Worlds and Recovery all stomping on it. 

How does this change what Loud sold or its success exactly? Good for Bruno, Eminem and Katy having huge eras at the time too I guess

 

 

14 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

All aside, people don't call 2022-2023 Taylor's peak for Midnights only but also things like its tour outgrossing Rihanna's career total or her catalogue charting more weeks inside BB200 in a year than Rihanna's catalogue did in 17 years etc. 

The MDNA tour being Madonna's biggest doesn't necessarily mean that the MDNA era was her biggest era, just as the Renaissance World Tour being Beyoncé's biggest doesn't mean that the era was her biggest etc etc. And catalogue sales are separate from era sales. Simple fact is Loud sold more worldwide, had bigger singles, Midnights certainly has the bigger tour of the two but that doesn't make it the bigger era

 

 

10 minutes ago, Meev said:

You are comparing a year’s stats for Midnighta to 13 years for Loud. It is pretty obvious that Midnights will outsell in the long term ww

Be serious. Most of Loud's sales were made in the one-two year period after release just like Midnights. Only difference is that the streaming era means that streams which are more perpetual than sales will guarantee Midnights more continued consumption but any logical person can see that Loud was the bigger era of the two

 

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by lonnie

12 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Certified Loud sales - 6.95M (13 years) 

 

Midnights official US + UK + Canada sales - +7M (13 months) 

Wait I just realized you used a metric that combines Taylor's pure sales, streams, songs sales etc to Rih's pure album sales only. Never change swifties

 

10 minutes ago, Power love said:

 

It’s all that left once you realize the delusions you made in your head and dreams isn’t reality. 
 

Truly heartbreaking. Everything will be ok . Keep on smiling stay strong! 
 

Step outside get some  air & wind!

11 minutes ago, lonnie said:

We'll need to see the receipts for this dear.

 

 

 

6.1M + 0.7M + 0.2M - 7M 

 

11 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Simple fact is Loud sold more worldwide, had bigger singles, Midnights certainly has the bigger era of the two but that doesn't make it the bigger era

But it is, this is why Midnights sold +80% of what Loud sold in 13 years in a year. And rest of her success is just a bonus. 

 

9 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Wait I just realized you used a metric that combines Taylor's pure sales, streams, songs sales etc to Rih's pure album sales only.

No i just combined the certification sales you posted which includes everything you mentioned. 

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by Artistofthedecade

4 hours ago, XtiRih said:

and then you wake up

 

Debut was her peak in North America (DIAMOND), Mi Reflejo was her peak in South America, Stripped - Europe, B2B - German-speaking countries + France

= 4 albums, four

 

She has better stats than most MPG on charts, she has at least 10 songs in almost all countries that reached the top 10. Yes USA, yes Germany, yes UK, yes NZ, yes Australia, yes Mexico, yes Switzerland, yes Spain etc.

Debut is not Diamond and isn't even eligible yet.

2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

But it is, this is why Midnights sold +80% of what Loud sold in 13 years in a year. And rest of her success is just a bonus. 

This is literally dumb because "sold" here means that Taylor's streams, pure sales, songs units etc are combined for her while Rih only has her pure sales for her. Not really the same and it feels insane having to argue over what's clearly obvious

 

 

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

No i used the certification sales you posted which includes everything you mentioned. 

No you didn't though. Because I'm quite sure with streaming included, Loud doesn't just have 6M certified units. You know what you did and it's not particularly clever either

 

Just now, lonnie said:

This is literally dumb because "sold" here means that Taylor's streams, pure sales, songs units etc are combined for her while Rih only has her pure sales for her. Not really the same and it feels insane having to argue over what's clearly obvious

Are you saying that 3x Platinum (3M) US sales or 7x Platinum (2.1M) UK sales of Loud don't include digital sales or streams? 

 

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

No you didn't though. Because I'm quite sure with streaming included, Loud doesn't just have 6M certified units. You know what you did and it's not particularly clever either 

The certifications you posted adds up to 6.95M units. This is basically what math tells us. I just combined the certifications you posted. 

 

Since i wouldn't fail to combine few numbers as a STEM girlie, i think it is just your dated certifications failing you miss Lonnie