1 hour ago, verzden said:

Anyone have theories on what Alligator Tears is about?

 

my guesses:

 

1. Her man does cheat with Jolene which is what Daughter is about. Alligator Tears is her agreeing to give him another chance (She still seems unhappy in Just for Fun).

 

2. She does something bad in Daughter or Spaghetti, and Alligator Tears is her convincing her man to go on the run with her. Or possibly the other way around.

Isn't Alligator Tears about people hating her and doubting her, always throwing challenges her way and she defeats them. I feel like some love words were put in to tie in the story. 

Just for fun is about racism, I think. The existence of a black person in the south, that's what I understood. 

36 minutes ago, cuteboyzay said:

Did Jay-Z cheat again? 
 

Cause after listening to these lyrics…

GIRLLL!!! 

Well, this is the follow up to Lemonade in terms of when she worked on it. It doesn't mean it happened again.

 

Besides, she was singing about cheating men before she ever met Jay. Not everything is autobiographical

And if I said My House clears 3/4 of Cuckold Carter then what

 

This is a stretch but throwing this out there. She says "at the snap of my fingers I'm Thanos" on Spaghetti. Multiverse confirmed!

Just now, Mitsouko said:

And if I said My House clears 3/4 of Cuckold Carter then what

 

My House is a top 15 in her entire solo discography. American Requium is the only one competing with it. 

1 minute ago, Fleahive said:

This is a stretch but throwing this out there. She says "at the snap of my fingers I'm Thanos" on Spaghetti. Multiverse confirmed!

This one line is so 2019 coded my God. Somehow has already aged worse than the "pager" line on CIL

Ok anyways I came here to ask does anyone remember during The Gift era who were the two song writers fist fighting on instagram about who wrote most of the song? I wanna say it was on a Lion King movie red carpet post where Beyonce revealed to some girl in person on the carpet that her song made the album. That girl replied/reposted about how she's happy her song made it and then another cowriter started scrappin. I wanna say one was a white girl. Narrow it down there can't be that many. I'm just tryna see sum

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by Fleahive

Is it too soon to start complaining about the visuals again? Like we know the visuals for CC are done and Nadia posted "Coming Soon." How soon is soon?

 

I Am…Sucha Psychopath

 

59 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

I Am…Sucha Psychopath

 

she's diabolical for this

 

 

RIP Dolores you would have loved TYRANT xx 

 

4 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

I am so damn intrigued about the recent years of Bey's business trajectory.  I really hope we get the tea about it at some point, even if years down the line.

 

Because I really get the sense (aka I've decided lol) that sis really said "nah uh, I got to regroup" after EIL/The Gift underperformed.

 

We give both the "side project" treatment, but if we're keeping it 100 both should have done better on the merit of Bey's name alone. And the fact they didn't was concerning as a fan and no doubt a "wtf moment" for her too.

 

Here she was coming off the enormity of Lemonade and yet somehow between Tidal, not embracing streaming, and in some regards going against the grain of what her fans wanted (aka EIL instead of a post-Coachella solo LP), she found herself against the ropes heading into Rennie...which is objectively wild.

 

I pay A LOT of attention to the backend of her operation and it's extremely telling that she effectively cleaned house after BIK.

 

Remember the manager that praised scoring "two top 10" albums after TG flopped as some kind of positive spin that even we side-eyed? He was gone in the immediate aftermath of BIK. Plus other execs in the fold and creatives. Roles were eradicated and total new ones were created.

 

Looking at "Beyonce" as a product, Rennie kicked off the new era, RWT saw the new business model in full swing, and now CC the flowers of her new tree bloom more. 

 

I trust that she'll continue to remold her model the more to ensure she's fighting fit in an ever-changing industry, but just saying aloud that I'm almost as equally invested in this aspect of her career as I am the music. 

 

Especially as an 90s/00s/10s R&B fan, who has seen so many acts come and go because they don't approach their careers in such a business-minded/product-driven way. Particularly at challenging times. Perfecting the pivot to meet the market need and adapting her team to keep her brand and market position top tier is an angle of her perfectionism that I admire so much and would love see more of. We likely won't because it hinders the mystique, but again hopefully we get insights at some point. 

 

EIL was ruined by the lead ups with Bey/Jay: Apeshit and Top Off. I'd even say Shining as well. There was a bit of rap Beyonce fatigue by 2018 because it was going on since Formation, 7/11, and Bow Down in 2013.  I saw so many comments about "old Beyonce singing again" on old DIL and Bday era videos and songs. I remember finding it interesting because most of the public loved Coachella and that was heavily rap coded. 
 

 It killed any hype for a Beyonce/Jay collab  album tbh. Apeshit's Migos leftover track just seemed like a drop off from previous bangers like Drunk in Love, Crazy in Love, and Upgrade U 
 

Beyoncé was just coming off the high of Coachella and people who didn't buy Lemonade or have Tidal were listening to Lemonade for the first time on YouTube or Spotify and such  so nobody was here for Jay Z. 

I hope 2018 showed Beyonce and showed Jay Z  Beyoncés the star. I have a feeling early in her career Beyonce thought Jay was the cool one and the more well liked/respected  one 

 

2 hours ago, Machete said:

This one line is so 2019 coded my God. Somehow has already aged worse than the "pager" line on CIL

I was just thinking this. There's no way this was written and recorded recently like many are saying. Perhaps she didn't feel it fit the album initially then changed her mind.

I've had a feeling that ALLIGATOR TEARS has an hidden message about white people in the industry. They always doubt her, so she has to do more and more impossible things (move a mountain, stop the river from running). They demand more of her, so she would be recognized. And she's always ready to do it, and she always does it. But they're still the ones who are adored, even though they don't do those things she does. Alligator tears could be the way she describes their dishonesty. Especially after SPAGHETTII, where she tells that their music is boring and that she's here to push the boundaries with genres. 
 

The other meaning is, of course, a warning to Jay. She adores him, but she sees right through his tears. 

I wonder if she ever mentioned country being an influence on If I Were a Boy. That was a hit with the country girls. Reba made a cover of it. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

I am so damn intrigued about the recent years of Bey's business trajectory.  I really hope we get the tea about it at some point, even if years down the line.

 

Because I really get the sense (aka I've decided lol) that sis really said "nah uh, I got to regroup" after EIL/The Gift underperformed.

 

We give both the "side project" treatment, but if we're keeping it 100 both should have done better on the merit of Bey's name alone. And the fact they didn't was concerning as a fan and no doubt a "wtf moment" for her too.

 

Here she was coming off the enormity of Lemonade and yet somehow between Tidal, not embracing streaming, and in some regards going against the grain of what her fans wanted (aka EIL instead of a post-Coachella solo LP), she found herself against the ropes heading into Rennie...which is objectively wild.

 

I pay A LOT of attention to the backend of her operation and it's extremely telling that she effectively cleaned house after BIK.

 

Remember the manager that praised scoring "two top 10" albums after TG flopped as some kind of positive spin that even we side-eyed? He was gone in the immediate aftermath of BIK. Plus other execs in the fold and creatives. Roles were eradicated and total new ones were created.

 

Looking at "Beyonce" as a product, Rennie kicked off the new era, RWT saw the new business model in full swing, and now CC the flowers of her new tree bloom more. 

 

I trust that she'll continue to remold her model the more to ensure she's fighting fit in an ever-changing industry, but just saying aloud that I'm almost as equally invested in this aspect of her career as I am the music. 

 

Especially as an 90s/00s/10s R&B fan, who has seen so many acts come and go because they don't approach their careers in such a business-minded/product-driven way. Particularly at challenging times. Perfecting the pivot to meet the market need and adapting her team to keep her brand and market position top tier is an angle of her perfectionism that I admire so much and would love see more of. We likely won't because it hinders the mystique, but again hopefully we get insights at some point. 

I also think that it helps that even when Beyoncé flops or underperforms (4, Everything Is Love and The Gift), she still performs the songs as if they were hits. You never hear about her talking crap about the albums. You never see her having meltdowns on social media or during interviews.

 

Compare that with Lady Gaga during Artpop where she would compare herself to anyone from Katy Perry to Madonna; Katy Perry with Witness; or even Justin Timberlake with Man of the Woods where he constantly says it's his least favorite album. You would never see Beyoncé do that. Not even for the objectively awful song that is "Daddy."

The hype that Beyonce had after Coachella was very reminiscent of what she had after Dubai. Maybe even moreso, and l'll never understand why she used Jay as a way to capitalize off that hype. Given he's not the performer or superstar that SHE is. He's a legend and top 5 one of the biggest rappers of all time but he's just so different from Bey that I feel she wasted potential huuuggee eras on HIM.

 

Beyoncé is the reason why him and DC is still talked about today. She's carrying ALLL of them on her back I swearrr! 

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by cuteboyzay

3 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Well, this is the follow up to Lemonade in terms of when she worked on it. It doesn't mean it happened again.

 

Besides, she was singing about cheating men before she ever met Jay. Not everything is autobiographical

I mean I see what you mean, but people saying this is her most personal album since Lem. And it's been 7 years since Lem… girlllll. He may not have done anything recently but the girlie pop still gon use it for some inspiration so I know THATS RIGHT 

If they ever decide to push LEVII'S JEANS as a single, they should wait until after Post Malone smashes with Taylor. It could help it 

1 hour ago, Nippy'sReceipts said:

 

EIL was ruined by the lead ups with Bey/Jay: Apeshit and Top Off. I'd even say Shining as well. There was a bit of rap Beyonce fatigue by 2018 because it was going on since Formation, 7/11, and Bow Down in 2013.  I saw so many comments about "old Beyonce singing again" on old DIL and Bday era videos and songs. I remember finding it interesting because most of the public loved Coachella and that was heavily rap coded. 
 

 It killed any hype for a Beyonce/Jay collab  album tbh. Apeshit's Migos leftover track just seemed like a drop off from previous bangers like Drunk in Love, Crazy in Love, and Upgrade U 
 

Beyoncé was just coming off the high of Coachella and people who didn't buy Lemonade or have Tidal were listening to Lemonade for the first time on YouTube or Spotify and such  so nobody was here for Jay Z. 

I hope 2018 showed Beyonce and showed Jay Z  Beyoncés the star. I have a feeling early in her career Beyonce thought Jay was the cool one and the more well liked/respected  one 

 

I really like Jay and enjoy their "power couple" unit.

 

I agree that they both have roles in that setup that I definitely think the underperformance of EIL (and everything after) helped clarify for them even more.

 

Bey is the formidable music megastar and Jay is the unstoppable businessman. They compliment each other perfectly.

 

i think Jay being an "artist" (and one at a very different stage of his career compared to her) has complicated things at points, because it's been an easy out for Bey to lead with her heart/family need rather than from a pure business/brand need. E.g forcing EIL and OTRII despite the clear sentiment that we didn't want it. 
 

Yet, after the underperformance they've scaled that "duo" thing back and at most he has writing credits more on her solo music, but generally takes on the supportive husband role on tour and in her other frontend endeavours. She's there at his things too and uplifts him in many other noticeable ways. Put simply, they seem to get that there's fatigue with them as as a musical "duo" and are reading the room. In 2024, Bey is the musical megastar of the union and that's the bacon she brings to the table. Jay brings as big bacon, just in a different way  as a businessman and rap legend. And while it's conjecture, I get the sense that they both get that now without any ego or need to overcompensate (specifically Bey no longer negating all she knows about branding and heeding the needs of the audience to "lift up her man”). Which I actually like, given how many artists stubbornly beat a dead horse (with personal motivations) to the detriment of their career.

 

On a random but related note, I am firm in my belief that the original Bey/Jay album rumored in 2014 during the hype of DIL would have done 10x better than EIL. Beyond arriving pre-streaming, something in my gut just feels like the music would have been better (she wasn't "as" in her rapyonce bag at the time) and IIRC the tea was that it was gonna be more conceptual (e.g OutKast-like in the sense of x Bey tracks, x Jay track, x joint tracks). On some Mr and Mrs Carter type thing.

 

Commercially speaking too, at that time, the public feeling was still that a Jay verse DID bring that extra umph (which it did), so the notion of them as a duo dropping music was way more appetizing. A big part of EIL tanking was that the surrounding circumstances. They gave us something we didn't want at the time and the music (while solid) was not enough to flip that feeling. 
 

Spoiler

I say alladis with hope that there is no truth to that journalist's tweet (during Rennie era) that one of the acts is a Jay collab project lol.

 

Like Bey, sis, don't undo all of the smart moves above on some EIL/OTRII stubbornness tip. 
 

A part of me feels OTRIII (as a tour and tour alone) feels like an inevitability at some point. She's loves her man and a limited stadium run is easy money when not in an era, But hopefully it's several (several) years down the line and off the back of 1 or 2 more songs together at most. No projects. They fumbled that bag and I struggle to see how any authentic excitement can be generated from trying again. Plus, there's way more  exciting duet projects for Bey to explore much like Jay did with Kanye, Linkin Park, and that R&B guy who shall not be named. Bey can and should flex her creative wings to try similar in her own way. Imagine a Bey EP or album with a more solidified Meg? Or Bey and Bruno or Bey and a name we've wanted a duet with for years e.g Adele, Rih, etc. Hell, even her own new trio on some Silk Sonic ish. 

 

Her succeeding with this solo trilogy sets the stage for so much more to happen and thrive if she plays her cards right. 

 

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by Cbreezy

Rennie had only two singles, what makes you think we'll have more than that? We'll be more than lucky if II Most Wanted gets confirmed as the next official single.

11 hours ago, Devin said:

call me greedy but i want all 3 acts to have its own tour. therefore we get as many tracks played + bring back old gems she hasnt performed in years.

I know, I was just taking into account all of the possible outcomes. ST didn't have a proper tour in support of it after all.

 

We need sis Mercurio for that, but at this point, given that it takes at least a year to schedule a world tour, it's very likely that it is being planned for summer 2025.

Edited April 3, 20242 yr by Pepo

Where is the Livenation employee 

44 minutes ago, Kisuke said:

Where is the Livenation employee 

I know right? Mercurio be our savior ? 

5 hours ago, Fleahive said:

Ok anyways I came here to ask does anyone remember during The Gift era who were the two song writers fist fighting on instagram about who wrote most of the song? I wanna say it was on a Lion King movie red carpet post where Beyonce revealed to some girl in person on the carpet that her song made the album. That girl replied/reposted about how she's happy her song made it and then another cowriter started scrappin. I wanna say one was a white girl. Narrow it down there can't be that many. I'm just tryna see sum

Don't know the deets of this beef you talk about, but RAYE (Bigger, Riiverdance) was the co-writer who found out from B that she secured the opening track on the Lion King red carpet.

 

Akil King (All Night, Black Parade, most of Brandy's B7, some of Coi Leray's album) is one of only two other "outside writers" (outside of the Parkwood camp)... but I don't see it.

 

Finally, the only other "outside writer" is Stacy Barthe (Rihanna, Miley Cyrus, Katy Perry), but I don't remember any beef between them. Here she is talking about the song origins:

 

I just can't see any two of these 3 arguing on social media over something as rare and coveted as a Beyoncé placement.