1 minute ago, Mitsouko said:

The only reason I think the visuals must be coming at some point is because she and everyone around her must know that it would be terrible for her career status to set this precedent.

no visuals for ren will be terrible for her career status? you guys are really serving delulu stans. the album, tour, and film were all successful without them. her career will remain unchanged if she never speaks about them again 

8 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

no visuals for ren will be terrible for her career status? you guys are really serving delulu stans. the album, tour, and film were all successful without them. her career will remain unchanged if she never speaks about them again 

I think people are referring more to the the fact that the collaborators on the project would feel gutted and that would impact future projects cause word of mouth would be "you can't count on Beyonce doing anything with ur hard-worked product cause she might just one day think they are not cute enough"

12 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

no visuals for ren will be terrible for her career status? you guys are really serving delulu stans. the album, tour, and film were all successful without them. her career will remain unchanged if she never speaks about them again 

Well yes. What reputable house is going have their seamstresses spend hundreds of hours hand-embroidering a one of a kind costume for it never to be seen? What editor(s) will spend months editing frame by frame a film that may very well go unreleased? It's not just about them getting paid at the end of the day. Beyonce knows her own value; so do other people know theirs. This stuff has a ripple effect, a domino effect. Stuff like this comes back around. People have fumbled this way before. Beyonce will always be richer than God and will always have a huge fanbase but if within the industry she's seen as flighty, impulsive, and unreliable, it'll be bad for her. She's never going to "lose it all" but much of the establishment is already ambivalent about her to say the least; hopefully she's being careful about how she spends other people's time and ability.

5 hours ago, AxelFox said:

I mean.. 'you are the visuals baby' being in the movie and on t-shirts is pretty telling.

 

Disrespectful and in poor taste, but pretty telling. 

 

Also when she told us to watch the formation tour in our heads. Same exact verbiage. Same rude ass t shirts

1 hour ago, swissman said:

Was it just me or did those post-its on the dressing room mirror say something like NEW IDEA I'M NOT MAKING A MOVIE MY IDEAS WILL LIVE IN ME (or something like that)?

 

Wasn't that a reference to no visuals? For now at least?

I posted it on the last page

17 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I think people are referring more to the the fact that the collaborators on the project would feel gutted and that would impact future projects cause word of mouth would be "you can't count on Beyonce doing anything with ur hard-worked product cause she might just one day think they are not cute enough"

 

these people are part of the business....many people work on projects that don't get greenlit all the time. as long as they got their check for their services...they are fine. this is the nature of the actual business....not fake industry stan execs.

1 hour ago, PrettyHurts said:

how could you watch the tour film and think she's creatively bankrupt? maybe the vision just didn't come out right, and instead of spending more time/money trying to make it perfect, she chose to focus on the tour instead. bey has already done 3 (4 including bday) visual albums. from a creative and strategic standpoint, its actually healthy to move on from that format. bey has said before she doesn't like to repeat herself too many times. the impact and success of her visual projects is evident due to how many people have copied them. she achieved what she wanted to in that area

I would agree with this take if she didn’t scrap music videos altogether. We don’t even get a break my soul vid?
 

Like EIL was probably going to be a visual album as well, based on how much they filmed with Melina, and only a little bit of that became the tour backdrops for OTR II, just like this scenario. But she at LEAST gave us a music video. Why tease a whole visual and not give us at least a taste? It’s lowkey cruel 

Maybe they were always supposed to come after the acts.  Like a three part series on Netflix (kind of like what they did with the Squid Game reality show, that had three different dates to dose the content), and then a documentary for all three of them since they were recorded together. 

She better put this film on demand soon because I’m sitting here with a 17-day old baby and won’t be in a theater for a while  loving reading all of the reviews so far! 

26 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I think people are referring more to the the fact that the collaborators on the project would feel gutted and that would impact future projects cause word of mouth would be "you can't count on Beyonce doing anything with ur hard-worked product cause she might just one day think they are not cute enough"

But that happens all the time in the industry… in fact, it’s pretty common that things get scrapped. Does it suck? Absolutely. Doesn’t stop projects from being cancelled or not see the light of the day.

11 minutes ago, giRLbye. said:

 

these people are part of the business....many people work on projects that don't get greenlit all the time. as long as they got their check for their services...they are fine. this is the nature of the actual business....not fake industry stan execs.

Wrong cause you can bet Bey makes them sign a contact that basically gives all zhe right of the intellectual and creative properly to Bey, which means the ideas and concepts they use for that project basically go to waste when not used

 

And trust and believe: If you get the call that Bey wants you to work for her, you give your best work and self to her

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9 minutes ago, yonsé said:

I would agree with this take if she didn’t scrap music videos altogether. We don’t even get a break my soul vid?
 

Like EIL was probably going to be a visual album as well, based on how much they filmed with Melina, and only a little bit of that became the tour backdrops for OTR II, just like this scenario. But she at LEAST gave us a music video. Why tease a whole visual and not give us at least a taste? It’s lowkey cruel 

I'd kind of prefer none than just one.

 

One, imo, seems far messier than none. At least none is a statement in itself. One is plodding and would feel like she can't make up her mind....release them or not.

3 minutes ago, Draper. said:

Maybe they were always supposed to come after the acts.  Like a three part series on Netflix (kind of like what they did with the Squid Game reality show, that had three different dates to dose the content), and then a documentary for all three of them since they were recorded together. 

This is exactly what I think is happening. I don’t think they are scrapped at all, moreso this is all part of her weird plan. 

25 minutes ago, yonsé said:

Also when she told us to watch the formation tour in our heads. Same exact verbiage. Same rude ass t shirts

yeah, but at least she didn't tell us it was coming

9 minutes ago, tachiwaka said:

She better put this film on demand soon because I’m sitting here with a 17-day old baby and won’t be in a theater for a while  loving reading all of the reviews so far! 

CONGRATS!!

6 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Wrong cause you can bet Bey makes them sign a contact that basically gives all zhe right of the intellectual and creative properly to Bey, which means the ideas and concepts they use for that project basically go to waste when not used

a good creative can come up with more than one good idea in their careers though.

 

this contract scenario would also cover every iterative idea as well. so even if the visuals were released tomorrow, but a creative had a brilliant idea that never made it to set, that idea is still "owned" by Parkwood. that's just how this business works and it's not even particularly exploitative so long as they were paid to come up with the ideas.

 

 

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1 hour ago, carameldelight said:

So what exactly did the netflix deal entail? Was it only for Homecoming? If she had a deal with them then why would she shop around for other streamers? Maybe Netflix felt slighted after black is king.

I don't think the "Netflix deal" was ever confirmed. It was always a rumor with details unknown. 

 

16 minutes ago, Draper. said:

Maybe they were always supposed to come after the acts.  Like a three part series on Netflix (kind of like what they did with the Squid Game reality show, that had three different dates to dose the content), and then a documentary for all three of them since they were recorded together. 

voice of reason. I'll die on this hill. Act II is a new album, Act III is a visual/film combining both. 

2 minutes ago, swissman said:

a good creative can come up with more than one good idea in their careers though.

 

this contract scenario would also cover every iterative idea as well. so even if the visuals were released tomorrow, but a creative had a brilliant idea that never made it to set, that idea is still "owned" by Parkwood. that's just how this business works and it's not even particularly exploitative so long as they were paid to come up with the ideas.

 

 

You can't deny that working with Beyonce, with a wonderful product wouldn't open up tons of doors though. 

I mean look at what happened when Warner Bros. announced that they were shelving a film - a film that was fully completed and ready for release - for a tax writeoff. A tsunami of backlash from within the industry as well as from the knowing public, which actually forced Warners to start shopping the film to other studios. Why? Because it made people mad. It made artists and technicians mad. People who didn't even work on the film were enraged not only for their peers but because it sets a shitty precedent for an industry already on dangerous ground. Yes, everyone got paid. That is not the point.

 

Beyonce ZASLAV don't be like that. You better have a plan for these music videos.

14 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

I mean look at what happened when Warner Bros. announced that they were shelving a film - a film that was fully completed and ready for release - for a tax writeoff. A tsunami of backlash from within the industry as well as from the knowing public, which actually forced Warners to start shopping the film to other studios. Why? Because it made people mad. It made artists and technicians mad. People who didn't even work on the film were enraged not only for their peers but because it sets a shitty precedent for an industry already on dangerous ground. Yes, everyone got paid. That is not the point.

 

Beyonce ZASLAV don't be like that. You better have a plan for these music videos.

Exactly.

Im all for praising Bey when she gets it right (see the concert film), but we also have to call out her bs

 

Justifying and reasoning her every move is not doing her nor us any favor

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23 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Wrong cause you can bet Bey makes them sign a contact that basically gives all zhe right of the intellectual and creative properly to Bey, which means the ideas and concepts they use for that project basically go to waste when not used

 

And trust and believe: If you get the call that Bey wants you to work for her, you give your best work and self to her

 

We don't know WHAT the contract says and even still...that's the nature of the business.

 

its not the end of the world that they may have designed, danced, filmed, edited, etc a Beyonce project that didn't come to light. this is par for course in all sectors of the creative industry. movies, music videos, TV shows, songs, albums, etc get shelved everyday.

6 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

You can't deny that working with Beyonce, with a wonderful product wouldn't open up tons of doors though. 

One can not deny that, and still Beyoncé would be under no obligation personally or professionally to release something she does not want to that has been created under her name from her company and attached to her work.

 

If a makeup artist did her makeup for an event, and whether its good or bad, Beyoncé decided she didn't want to go anymore, should she be forced to attend anyway so that this makeup artist gets exposure? Or is paying them for their time actually all that is required?

It's 2031. 

 

Blue ivy sits at her vanity as Beyonce raised her in her image. 

 

At the other end of the Kaufland like mansion Rumi who has grown into a rebel ***** comes storming into Sir's crib giggling 'look what I've got from the vault hihi'. She has a stick with the fwt dvd in one hand and one with the Renaissance visuals in the other. She plays them into her laptop and asks Sir about it to which he uninterestedly replies while playing with this Apple Pro VR set 'just upload them lol'.

 

And so she does and the Hive SNATCHES them real quick and justice is finally served.

 

If the visuals are completely out of the picture she’ll let us know in the next written interview, just like she did with the FWT DVD.

2 hours ago, kimberly said:

I'm pretty sure the post-its referred to the tour movie.

 

"I'M NOT MAKING A FILM. IT'LL LIVE IN MY HEAD."

RENAISSANCE: A FILM BY BEYONCÉ

 

there's no reason to assume it's about the visuals.

i haven't watch the movie yet because it's only debuting here on december 21, so i don't have full context for the post-it... but couldn't it be about thr tour concept? we're all welcomed to 'mother's mind' on the Renaissance Intro, so maybe an early draft for the tour had a 'movie' concept that was scrapped for the concept we had?