8 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

it would not be the first video or film to be scrapped in history. whether they come out or not is her decision ultimately. i'm sure anyone who worked on them understands this before hand. sometimes projects are not released. it doesn't mean her reputation will go down the drain. y'all need to just accept that parkwood and the rest of the world have moved on from the visuals

right. her reputation won't go down the drain, but she won't be able to book the same people again. if she's working with the best of the best, would she want to give that up?

 

not to mention the peer-voted awards she loves so much... she can kiss them goodbye if she's letting down hundreds of people, who will complain about it to their thousands of industry friends...

 

has Parkwood moved on? can someone please point me to any evidence that visuals aren't being held up because they might include a whole another album? maybe she'll release them in theaters after Act II comes out. is there any solid reason this could not be a possibility besides "y'all need to accept that"?

7 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

What actual evidence do we have that visuals ever existed in the first place? 
 

Note: a video titled “cliquebait”, to me, is evidence of the opposite. When a fish bites the bait, they aren’t rewarded afterwards with more food. They’re killed. 

An extremely reliable movie insider that usually has info on movie stuff but no relation the music industry spilled the tea this summer that Beyoncé has an entire movie project directed by Nadia Cohen that was completed by the end of 2022 and they've been shopping it to streaming platforms for the entirety of 2023 at that point but the project was in limbo.

 

He and his source speculate on what could be the reason that it is in limbo but it was just that, speculation. The fact is that the film exists and she was looking out to release it at some point. 
 

I don't see any reason why he would be lying about this stuff. 

2 minutes ago, kimberly said:

right. her reputation won't go down the drain, but she won't be able to book the same people again. if she's working with the best of the best, would she want to give that up?

 

not to mention the peer-voted awards she loves so much... she can kiss them goodbye if she's letting down hundreds of people, who will complain about it to their thousands of industry friends...

 

has Parkwood moved on? can someone please point me to any evidence that visuals aren't being held up because they might include a whole another album? maybe she'll release them in theaters after Act II comes out. is there any solid reason this could not be a possibility besides "y'all need to accept that"?

this could also be the case. the point is stop complaining as if she sits on her ass and does nothing, or as if she's not intelligent or capable of making strategic decisions. bey knows we want the visuals. there's nothing we can do to force her to tell us why they're not out. just enjoy the film and move on with your life. it's been 1.5 years anyway

"now go get a life” said the atrl account 

1 hour ago, Mitsouko said:

I mean look at what happened when Warner Bros. announced that they were shelving a film - a film that was fully completed and ready for release - for a tax writeoff. A tsunami of backlash from within the industry as well as from the knowing public, which actually forced Warners to start shopping the film to other studios. Why? Because it made people mad. It made artists and technicians mad. People who didn't even work on the film were enraged not only for their peers but because it sets a shitty precedent for an industry already on dangerous ground. Yes, everyone got paid. That is not the point.

 

Beyonce ZASLAV don't be like that. You better have a plan for these music videos.

David Zaslav needed to get whacked for shelving Batgirl last year omg. 

 

1 hour ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

exactly this !! like it was all nice to see but i expected a more in depth look into how she came up with the tour’s concept, how she recorded the album, her filming the interludes etc

 

not her saying she loves Houston, Diana & Tina for the millionth time 

I wanted to see the femmebots design sketches

18 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

What actual evidence do we have that visuals ever existed in the first place? 

Seriously?

parasocial is such a strong word

 

1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

"now go get a life” said the atrl account 

at least i'm not asking for more from my fave after they just released a 3 hour movie. so much for being a fan

6 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

this could also be the case. the point is stop complaining as if she sits on her ass and does nothing, or as if she's not intelligent or capable of making strategic decisions. bey knows we want the visuals. there's nothing we can do to force her to tell us why they're not out. just enjoy the film and move on with your life. it's been 1.5 years anyway

I agree.

Wait she didn’t explain why she cut the Big 3 from most of the shows 🤨

12 minutes ago, Chris said:

Seriously?

What part of that sentence seemed Iike a joke to you? Yes, seriously. 

14 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

at least i'm not asking for more from my fave after they just released a 3 hour movie. so much for being a fan

i wasn’t talking to you but sure why not 

1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i wasn’t talking to you but sure why not 

well i was agreeing w the person you were talking abt

first parkwood & now the people in here telling us the visuals never existed and we collectively made them up 

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

first parkwood & now the people in here telling us the visuals never existed and we collectively made them up 

I said it! We're in an abusive relationship!

I called the gaslighting a few hours ago and here we are

Just now, Tangane said:

I said it! We're in an abusive relationship!

I called the gaslighting a few hours ago and here we are

i’ve seen fuckboys give their dates more closure than Parkwood and big B do  

 

the butch dom top allegations must be true after all 

2013: Mrs Carter World Tour + BEYONCÉ

2014: On The Run Tour + HBO Special

2015: -

2016: Lemonade + Lemonade Film + Formation World Tour

2017: -

2018: Coachella + Everything Is Love + On The Run Tour II

2019: Homecoming + Homecoming Live Album + The Gift

2020: Black Is King

2021: -

2022: Renaissance

2023: Renaissance World Tour + Renaissance Film

 

It’s really good that she never takes more than one year off, so we’re either getting a new album or visual by 2025 at the latest. 

 

Edited December 4, 20232 yr by Draper.

39 minutes ago, kimberly said:

- we got a look into the production process, stage setup, production crew

- she explained why the crew were so visible on stage (which some in the base were confused about)

- we saw how and when they got Kevin Prodigy to do the commentary throughout the show

- we learned that she almost left Diva off the setlist

- we got her talking about her vocal hemorrhage

- we got a glimpse into the DC5 reunion

- we learned about Uncle Johnny + the last dress he made for her

- we saw her come up with the Cuff It acapella intro

- rehearsal footage for River Deep, 1+1, Thique, Break My Soul...

- we learned that she lived out of Cannes for the European leg of the tour (plus more stuff about her kids)

 

there was quite a bit in there. you're not paying $30 for the new information, it's categorically a concert film. it was evident that documentary would add up to 30 minutes or so. 

 

and I'm not saying she wasn't bullshitting at all -- "I love lights, I've always loved lights," "I think about our relation to time" and that one scene where she kept moving her head in a circle for what felt like 5 minutes were of course there to fluff it up. but the less-scripted parts of it were the first sit-down Bey interview we got to see since... Lion King era I think?

Again, nothing new in the format of behind the scenes we've seen from Beyonce. Half of that stuff we already knew, example having three 

stages in total was already reported on after the tour started. I said Kevin/Ballroom scene was my favorite part and wanted more focus on that and album creation.  DC5 reunion was a hug and not much expanded on that lol, we literally have been seeing them together for weeks at the tour. Uncle Johnny was sweet however her whole album dedication was to him.  Everything else was minor insights.  I would have loved to hear her thoughts on what BMS truly meant to her. We were told it had a much deeper meaning and all I gathered was the knee injury. It was surface level. Another thing she could have touched on was how was it recording an album during the height of the pandemic, etc. 

 

The format overall was similar to homecoming and the takeaway wasn't different. She's a hard worker and human. 

 

47 minutes ago, YR. said:

You're not a fan. What a whining loser

LOL. Ok.

Think about it this way, do y’all not think the FWT was also recorded and shopped tho?

 

Prior to that (and since then) we had:

• 2010 | ABC | I Am World Tour
• 2013 | HBO | Life is But a Dream
• 2014 | HBO | Mrs. Carter Show
• 2014 | HBO | On The Run
• 2016-18 | ??? | Formation World Tour
• 2019 | NFLX | Homecoming
• 2023 | AMC | Renaissance

If she can scrap one concert film over a decade, is it so impossible to believe she scrapped visuals for one era after a perfect 15 year track run from Dangerously In Love to Black Is King?

 

 

6 minutes ago, Draper. said:

2013: Mrs Carter World Tour + BEYONCÉ

2014: On The Run Tour + HBO Special

2015: -

2016: Lemonade + Lemonade Film + Formation World Tour

2017: -

2018: Coachella + Everything Is Love + On The Run Tour II

2019: Homecoming + The Gift

2020: Black Is King

2021: -

2022: Renaissance

2023: Renaissance World Tour + Renaissance Film

 

It’s really good that she never takes more than one year off, so we’re either getting a new album or visual by 2025 at the latest. 

 

This. I’m not worried about which EXACT project we get from her. She’s more than proven herself and, as she said, has nothing left to prove to anyone. You would think especially fans would know this (not a knock on anybody, I’m just surprised). 
 

We complained all up and down about the FWT DVD and everything since then (The Gift, EIL, Renaissance and all their associated content) has far exceeded my expectations. 

47 minutes ago, YR. said:

THEY ARE NOT FANS.

 

They live through a parasocial relationship with B and other artists. They don't see her as human so it's impossible to have a discussion with these types.

I think you all are idiots. Point to me where I trashed the film and said it wasn't good? Saying nothing new was said does not mean the film wasn't good. Maybe you all need a break from the ass kissing. Discussion and dissections typically happens after art has been absorbed. Deal with it. 

 

And where did I say I wanted to know anything personal about her? I wanted more insight on the ALBUM, her thoughts on certain songs, the recording process. I could care less about a Cannes trip.

The only thing I would knock her for is the lack of transparency and communication.

 

Would it be nice to outright know that no visuals are coming? Sure. But then I think it gives her less flexibility if she does change her mind or something else comes thru.

 

But between “you are the visuals, baby” and this concert interlude… 

 

 

… I feel she’s very CLEAR about the state of the visuals. Even if she’s not been DIRECT about it. 

My biggest complaint of the film was with the performance clips. I don't know how else to describe it but it felt like a MOVIE, if that makes sense. Like scenes from a movie about a popstar who is on tour, not an actual recording of a real tour. I think a large part of this was her mic feed was way too clear. If I weren't a fan I would've thought it was just the studio recording. It was a weird choice to mute the audience so much, a choice I don't recall her doing in HOMECOMING. Like in Drunk In Love when she went "y'all sing" and then you could barely even hear the audience singing back  No wonder she cut out Love On Top, that would not have worked at all without the audience's full volume/

1 hour ago, kimberly said:

re: the visual scrapping discourse — it is legal and common, but that doesn't mean people involved don't care when it happens?

 

if you pour your blood sweat tears into a Beyoncé project only for it to get scrapped, would you go back to work with her when she needs you for Act II or whatever?

 

something like that won't fly. it's like having an unexplained gap in your resumé, yet you did all the work.

Personally I'd be more motivated to work with Beyoncé again if the first time what I did didn't get released.