When you think she basically released a trailer for a movie over a year before anyone knew when and where it was coming out

1 hour ago, Triton said:

It’s from a magazine cover from last year, though why would Beyonce be involved? 
 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CjiglUNt0HE/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Maybe he's in the visuals and the director took the opportunity to do the photos and the interview. 

39 minutes ago, Otter said:

I choose not to address your second paragraph for a reason.... regarding the bolded, why bring up the success of Cuff It and Rennie? I never said they were duds I said she's had duds and flops in her recent history. Spirit/The Gift/EIL, hell even BMS is underwhelming in pure numbers. The point shouldn't need elaboprating that she is not above miscalculations and/her material not quite resonating with the masses or even her fans.

Whether or not her work has resonated with the masses or her fans in the past (like...four years ago) seems like a non-point. I'm saying I commend her for knowing her worth in regards to a project in the present, one associated to an era proven to be successful by all metrics. That's why I brought up success. It was a direct response to your point about failure being a reason she should not estimate herself the way she (apparently) has. If failure factors into estimation, why does success not as well?

Either way, Beyoncé seems to know her worth and again, I commend that. There's a reason the media impact value of her tour clothing collaborations has been nearly double that of someone else on a more successful tour.

 

 

Edited August 31, 20233 yr by swissman

5 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

When you think she basically released a trailer for a movie over a year before anyone knew when and where it was coming out

and a year before it was even finished 

 

 

could we potentially hope for something more official to happen this weekend when she’s in LA + her bday ? 

Also where is the amazon drop?

18 minutes ago, swissman said:

Whether or not her work has resonated with the masses or her fans in the past (like...four years ago) seems like a non-point. I'm saying I commend her for knowing her worth in regards to a project in the present, one associated to an era proven to be successful by all metrics. That's why I brought up success. It was a direct response to your point about failure being a reason she should not estimate herself the way she (apparently) has. If failure factors into estimation, why does success not as well?

Either way, Beyoncé seems to know her worth and again, I commend that. There's a reason the media impact value of her tour clothing collaborations has been nearly double that of someone else on a more successful tour.

 

 

I never said she shouldn't, I simply pointed out that she has made miscalculations in the past and is not above it now. The reality is yet to be seen. For all we know she could have come back around and accepted a deal well below her original estimate or "worth", but I get your sentiment.

 

 

 

“Her last big tour” is coming when she’s too much of a flop to fill huge venues. Judging by Renaissance far eclipsing FWT that’s not happening any time soon if anything she’ll have more freedom to tour soon as her kids grow up.

14 minutes ago, Otter said:

I never said she shouldn't, I simply pointed out that she has made miscalculations in the past and is not above it now. The reality is yet to be seen. For all we know she could have come back around and accepted a deal well below her original estimate or "worth", but I get your sentiment.

Yes that's the thing, we really don't know so all of this is just conjecture and projecting, myself included.

 

I just don't think some of those "flops" were miscalculations as much as they simply were just "flops". I think those side projects were created with the intention of legacy over success, both in the choices made (genre, collaborators, level of promotion) and just how they were rolled out and approached on her. I see that as a lot different and vastly less intentional than RENAISSNACE which is not a side-project at all, but one said to be a three-act experience.

 

I do apologize as I might have misinterpreted you offering "Or she's out of her depth or overestimates the value of this individual piece of work" as something you thought was the actual case vs. just another possible option.

 

 

Edited August 31, 20233 yr by swissman

I think everyone is sort of having a touring Renaissance right now after the pandemic. We don’t know what it will look like in a couple of years. I’m always of the mind to strike while the iron is hot.

 

 

30 minutes ago, swissman said:

Whether or not her work has resonated with the masses or her fans in the past (like...four years ago) seems like a non-point. I'm saying I commend her for knowing her worth in regards to a project in the present, one associated to an era proven to be successful by all metrics. That's why I brought up success. It was a direct response to your point about failure being a reason she should not estimate herself the way she (apparently) has. If failure factors into estimation, why does success not as well?

Either way, Beyoncé seems to know her worth and again, I commend that. There's a reason the media impact value of her tour clothing collaborations has been nearly double that of someone else on a more successful tour.

 

 

I'm sorry but that metric means nothing to most of the world, it's basically business talk for retweets. If she wore a clown suit the MIV would go up for party city since everyone is talking about how ugly the outfit is

 

There's a reason the streaming companies said no, would you invest tens of millions on a project the main star won't promote? If true, would you invest tens of millions into a project where she previously scrapped a deal with netflix? Look at the renaissance era as a whole: did she promote the album itself well? One magazine cover months before release and two singles, one of which was only a hit because of tiktok... no live performances, she doesn't do interviews, she's not on most social media, etc. What about Act 2? Do they have to wait another year+ for the visuals of that too? So secrets and surprises are our only strategy? Then the streaming companies take the blame from miss tina publicly because no one is watching???? Yeah, I'd pass on that too 

 

Streaming services are a numbers game, if she wants top dollar for her projects she can't sit by and do nothing anymore.

4 hours ago, Shelter said:

 

Proud of her.

Virgo Season ending on the 22nd and Bey performing in Houston on the 23rd. “Local woman stands up” Visuals announced on the 23rd 

I think she should just put it on YouTube atp if no one wants to buy it

Bey is making 7 million a night on her weaker dates of her world tour. She could do an extra concert somewhere and probably recoup the losses of making the Renaissance visual. She needs to just put it out!

14 minutes ago, QueenB said:

I'm sorry but that metric means nothing to most of the world, it's basically business talk for retweets. If she wore a clown suit the MIV would go up for party city since everyone is talking about how ugly the outfit is

 

There's a reason the streaming companies said no, would you invest tens of millions on a project the main star won't promote? If true, would you invest tens of millions into a project where she previously scrapped a deal with netflix? Look at the renaissance era as a whole: did she promote the album itself well? One magazine cover months before release and two singles, one of which was only a hit because of tiktok... no live performances, she doesn't do interviews, she's not on most social media, etc. What about Act 2? Do they have to wait another year+ for the visuals of that too? So secrets and surprises are our only strategy? Then the streaming companies take the blame from miss tina publicly because no one is watching???? Yeah, I'd pass on that too 

 

Streaming services are a numbers game, if she wants top dollar for her projects she can't sit by and do nothing anymore.

Brilliantly stated! A lot of us in here have said the no promo route would come back to hurt both Bey and the fans in the long run. 
 

I know people hate comparisons but I don’t think Taylor did one interview this whole past year yet look where her numbers are. Why hasn’t Beyoncé and company figured out a way to engage with fans and media without resorting to completely isolating themselves and keep everyone out of the loop in the middle of an era? It makes absolutely no sense, and now studios hold the upper hand because the numbers were short from previous projects. 

Edited August 31, 20233 yr by sillycilla

Just now, bijonse said:

Bey is making 7 million a night on her weaker dates of her world tour. She could do an extra concert somewhere and probably recoup the losses of making the Renaissance visual. She needs to just put it out!

Dubai alone should've covered any losses, at this point I would take her going on tiktok live with her phone pointed at a screen showing the visuals

6 minutes ago, QueenB said:

Dubai alone should've covered any losses, at this point I would take her going on tiktok live with her phone pointed at a screen showing the visuals

 

 

the press statement about how how she’s revolutionizing the industry afterward 

8 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Brilliantly stated! A lot of us in here have said the no promo route would come back to hurt both Bey and the fans in the long run. 
 

I know people hate comparisons but I don’t think Taylor did one interview this whole past year yet look where her numbers are. Why hasn’t Beyoncé and company figured out a way to engage with fans and media without resorting to completely isolating themselves and keep everyone out of the loop in the middle of an era? It makes absolutely no sense, and now studios hold the upper hand because the numbers were short from previous projects. 

Because Beyoncé DOESN’T want to engage with fans and media. She’s already famous enough, she doesn’t want a bunch of crazy people tracking where she is and showing up like Taylor is experiencing. 

13 minutes ago, QueenB said:

Dubai alone should've covered any losses, at this point I would take her going on tiktok live with her phone pointed at a screen showing the visuals

!!!! Like what is the hold up? For the flex to say her visuals are an amazon prime, netflix etc. exclusive? Just take whatever offer and put them out Bey the tour is where the money is at anyway

I’m thinking about how it was theorized a while back that the film would be inspired by The Shining, and while it’s highly unlikely I would love if she served me a horror experimental movie. I want to be scared and confused

 

It’s so interesting to look back on all the theories for what it could possibly be. We went from an escape from reality from covid, to the shining, a ballroom contest, the whole echoville thing, and now Wizard of Oz is being passed around.

 

I’m so intrigued on what it could possibly be, and considering what the article said of this being a step up from BIK, I wonder if we’ll get a more cohesive “storyline” for the visuals? The way every song seamlessly transitions into the next I would love for the visuals to coincide with this as well.  I hope more info drops soon the next few weeks

2 minutes ago, SashaDevachelli said:

It’s so interesting to look back on all the theories for what it could possibly be. We went from an escape from reality from covid, to the shining, a ballroom contest, the whole echoville thing, and now Wizard of Oz is being passed around.

 

 

At this point I'm convinced it's all of the above.

2 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

All the more reason to leave them out of this one

Tbh I wouldn’t mind if they were mostly queer artists like the Kevins and Honey Dijon

14 minutes ago, Draper. said:

Because Beyoncé DOESN’T want to engage with fans and media. She’s already famous enough

Okay then she doesn’t have to. But she can’t come crying when her projects flop and studio after studio leave her on seen after 6 months. 

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by Machete

Just now, Machete said:

Okay then she doesn’t have to. But she can’t come crying when her projects flop and studio and after studio leave her on seen after 6 months. 

That’s just speculation tho. And she just grossed over 450 million dollars for her tour while I’m having instant ramen for dinner, I don’t think she’s the one crying.