2 minutes ago, Shelter said:

You have to remember who is voting, a lot of old members. 

Even they can see it wasn’t received that well by critics. Very forgettable music I’m sawry I like adele but let’s be forreal. Bad bunny and Harry destroyed it on streaming didn’t they? if they wanna make it a popularity contest

I think yall get it wrong: Bey is not performing any of the Rennie Songs not because of making a Statement. I honestly think she's just over it

Muni Long could win in the R&B categories as well. 

I'm bored and I think she is too 

3 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Even they can see it wasn’t received that well by critics. Very forgettable music I’m sawry I like adele but let’s be forreal. Bad bunny and Harry destroyed it on streaming didn’t they? if they wanna make it a popularity contest

Do u think they care what anyone thinks? One voter said he doesn’t like rap and all the samples. So that’s one vote to someone else, then Diane Warren probably votes, that’s another one to someone else. A lot of these oldies will be swaying the same way. 
 

 

What if BMS is about her in the music biz though

 

 

41 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Also, Bey is not performing at the Grammys. They done disrespected her too many times. She’s very much a silently cut someone off type of gyal. Can you imagine if she goes and loses the category for the 4th!! time how humiliating that is for her as an artist?

 

She’s taking the Renaissance performances/show directly on tour I fear. 

I'm betting on an "appearance" ala her 2021 appearance rather a performance. Unadvertised. Mid-show. And just in time for whatever her televised win/s are. 

 

It's the most risk-free approach if she wants to play ball with them.

 

She's definitely over the BS and like a lot of Black acts ditching the show, seems to be refusing to let them use her name for promotion of the telecast. Very smart IMO.

 

But I really don't get how an AOTY loss will be "humiliating" for her in any way. It would be more so humiliating for the Grammys, whose rep is hanging on by a thread after The Weeknd, Ed, and Drake ditched them. 

 

It'd only be humiliating for Bey if she went all-out and campaigned shamelessly in the way many of her peers do, which we know she doesn't do. 

 

Outside of jabs from other stans (which is limited to niche online spaces like here), her losing will see the Grammys get dragged like never before. Not just by the Hive but everyone. It's very possible but so so so dumb on their part as the optics will be horrible for them. 

 

Win or lose, Bey  will go a blockbuster tour, snatch the spotlight and make them look dumb af should they snub her. I love that the tour announcement + excitement takes place before Sunday. She's about to dominate headlines imminently, which will only make the Grammys look stupid af if they repeat their antics.

Edited January 30, 20233 yr by Cbreezy

I miss her yall........ my brain can't handle it, shes a deeply sick woman

where are u puta 

18 minutes ago, Shelter said:

You have to remember who is voting, a lot of old members. 

They added a whole influx of new young and ethnically diverse voting members over the last year. 

 

The last few years has seen a lot of internal changes at the Grammys after successive scandals. That's why I'm holding out hope that it's not the same ol, same ol. 

 

Sunday will be the ultimate test of whether it's enough to make a noticeable change. 

3 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I'm with almost all of this, but not sure about the Lemonade part. 

 

I know I'm being pedantic cus it's even not the main point you're making and your overall point is on the money about where she is in her career. 

 

But IMO Lemonade was the amplification of her really scaling tf back. ST started it and Lem cemented it.

 

Her live approach was largely limited to Super Bowl + a handful of award shows. And even then you get the sense that there had to be some kind of "premium" for her to show up (e.g. VMA Vanguard).

 

So, with Lem, I don't think she was going all-out to spread the message. If anything, I saw the whole era as her going kinda "anti" the usual Pop star promo path BECAUSE of the era's political messaging. 

 

Stans swear that Formation was a #1 in waiting, but almost certain I've read something semi-official about the whole "unlisted" video thing being to de-emphasise the charting aspect of the song and spotlight its message. 

Oh yeah, there’s definitely some nuance to it. I should have been more specific.

 

I totally agree with you that she DID scale back the marketing aspect of her approach. Which, to me, captures the reason why she didn’t center her performances around “the single” at any given time. No disagreement there. 
 

But the reason why I think she performed every song on the album at least once at each show (Super Bowl, BET, CMA, VMA, Tidal X, Grammys) was to see the concept of the album through. It was less about promo and more about story. 
 

So I agree that it wasn’t a traditional promotional campaign. The fact that only Formation got two performances (with a 7 month gap ) definitely affirms your thesis that everything was scaled back. That said, I don’t think Renaissance even has that kind urgency to build a narrative around it. So I don’t expect Grammys, BET, VMA etc and the bare minimums that Lemonade received. 

5 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I'm betting on an "appearance" ala her 2021 appearance rather a performance. Unadvertised. Mid-show. And just in time for whatever her televised win/s are. 

 

It's the most risk-free approach if she wants to play ball with them.

 

She's definitely over the BS and like a lot of Black acts ditching the show, seems to be refusing to let them use her name for promotion of the telecast. Very smart IMO.

 

But I really don't get how an AOTY loss will be "humiliating" for her in any way. It would be more so humiliating for the Grammys, whose rep is hanging on by a thread after The Weeknd, Ed, and Drake ditched them. 

 

It'd only be humiliating for Bey is she went all-out and campaigned shamelessly in the way many of her peers do, which we know she doesn't do. 

 

Outside of jabs from other stans (which is limited to niche online spaces like here), her losing will see the Grammys get dragged like never before. Not just by the Hive but everyone. It's very possible but so so so dumb on their part as the optics will be horrible for them. 

 

Win or lose, Bey  will go a blockbuster tour, snatch the spotlight and make them look dumb af should they snub her. I love that the tour announcement + excitement takes place before Sunday. She's about to dominate headlines imminently, which will only make the Grammys look stupid af if they repeat their antics.

I really don't think so this time around. Especially if she loses to Bad Bunny. He will be a historic win and people trying to come for his win over Bey will probably just get her dragged nnn  

 

Now if she loses to someone white again then sure I could see people making some noise especially if it's Adele. Her album was so basic and made barely any noise it would be bad. But even then not as bad before. Saying they would be dragged like never before is a bit of a reach.

18 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

What if BMS is about her in the music biz though

 

 

A diss track to major record labels like Sony/Columbia me thinks 

19 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

What if BMS is about her in the music biz though

 

 

I think that’s very clear she’s been telling us she’s over their bs for ten years. I think she likes performing and making music but doesn’t like the higher ups and execs in the industry and having to do things their way

Now that I’m thinking about it, it’s hitting me just how sickening it is that an artist performed their entire album in one album cycle.

 

Whew!  

 

At that time it was frustrating to have her perform Freedom while Hold Up was the global single , but in retrospect, yeah, it kind of iconic.

 

19 minutes ago, suneclipse121 said:

I really don't think so this time around. Especially if she loses to Bad Bunny. He will be a historic win and people trying to come for his win over Bey will probably just get her dragged nnn  

 

Now if she loses to someone white again then sure I could see people making some noise especially if it's Adele. Her album was so basic and made barely any noise it would be bad. But even then not as bad before. Saying they would be dragged like never before is a bit of a reach.

I hear you. But there will be draggingss. It's just that the volume/intensity of them will depend on the winner. 

 

An Adele win will incite the most anger for reasons most have covered already. 

 

Harry next, but there will be pushback from some corners of the mainstream because of the scale of his commercial success. Still the optics will be terrible in the grand scheme of things. 

 

Bad Bunny has the historic angle with the whole Spanish language thing as well as his huge commercial success, so probably will limit the volume of noise those pissed about Bey can impactfully make. 

 

Outsiders like Kendrick and Mary J, who have been snubbed in years of past, will actually be the hardest scenario for any outcry over Bey. They're Black, very much play in her R&B/Urban lane, and are deserving (historically ( just not with these projects). 

 

Beyond deserving the award, the reason a Bey snub will be big news and big time bad for the Grammys, is the sheer number of #1 rankings Ren had on credible end of year lists. It'd essentially be telling the Pitchfork's, Variety's, Billboard's, and endless other publications (who help shape critical taste and opinions) that **their** pick was wrong. These are the same outlet's who'll be covering any kind of Bey snub...and I imagine will frame the discourse in the context of the Grammys being out of touch. 

 

I'm a stan, but in times like this, I almost wish I wasn't because these rantings can be relegated to pressed stan fodder. But in reality, (from a Grammys perspective) there's an objective logical, and business case for why Bey almost HAS to win AOTY on Sunday. That's not to say the show won't exist if she loses, but it'd be self sabotage for the Grammys  if she doesn't win and shaves years off the show's future relevance. 

Edited January 30, 20233 yr by Cbreezy

atp the era is done

just announce the dates and wrap it up already 

3 minutes ago, Bicassie said:

atp the era is done

just announce the dates and wrap it up already 

few more days sis few more days

 

38 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

But I really don't get how an AOTY loss will be "humiliating" for her in any way. It would be more so humiliating for the Grammys, whose rep is hanging on by a thread after The Weeknd, Ed, and Drake ditched them. 

 

It'd only be humiliating for Bey if she went all-out and campaigned shamelessly in the way many of her peers do, which we know she doesn't do. 

“Humiliating” is def an overstatement  Bey will be fine as you say.

 

But you know what I mean. It’ll be the whole “Jay being nominated for 9 awards and leaving with nothing” all over again. The ensuing media headlines may or may not be sympathetic to Bey vs The Grammys, but it’s more the air of disrespect and inconsideration on the part of Grammy voters — especially if you factor in the long-standing rumors of some trying to “humble” her.

 

Granted, Bey will come out with 4/5 awards at minimum, but to see her sit there in the audience and lose general categories for another masterpiece body of work… and for over a decade is so… it makes me sick… 

That Dubai check was her Grammys bribe money and I'm okay with that

 

13 minutes ago, bijonse said:

I think that’s very clear she’s been telling us she’s over their bs for ten years. I think she likes performing and making music but doesn’t like the higher ups and execs in the industry and having to do things their way

Granted I'm sure our girl probably has untold stories for days (along the lines of Adele's "they asked me to join TikTok"), I've never gotten the sense that Columbia haven't done right by her. 

 

4 was the one glaring era, but a combo of Mathew leaving just before, her finding her feet managing herself, and then getting pregnant mid-era doesn't scream "label screwing me over" to me. 

 

After that, sis has been on her anti-Pop star flex all by herself. ST, Lem, the side projects, no promo etc. She won the game and is playing overtime but by her own rules. 

 

For every single year over the two decades, Bey would probably broker the biggest record deal of all time if she were to ever leave Columbia and go elsewhere. Just imagine the bidding war. Yet she's stayed with them this entire time. Given her appetite for coins, boss moves, etc, it's telling IMO of where the relationship is and the high esteem they hold her in. 

10 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

I hear you. But there will be draggingss. It's just that the volume/intensity of them will depend on the winner. 

 

An Adele win will incite the most anger for reasons most have covered already. 

 

Harry next, but there will be pushback from some corners of the mainstream because of the scale of his commercial success. Still the optics will be terrible in the grand scheme of things. 

 

Bad Bunny has the historic angle with the whole Spanish language thing as well as his huge commercial success, so probably will limit the volume of noise those pissed about Bey can impactfully make. 

 

Outsiders like Kendrick and Mary J, who have been snubbed in years of past, will actually be the hardest scenario for any outcry over Bey. They're Black, very much play in her R&B/Urban lane, and are deserving (historically ( just not with these projects). 

 

Beyond deserving the award, the reason a Bey snub will be big news and big time bad for the Grammys, is the sheer number of #1 rankings Ren had on credible end of year lists. It'd essentially be telling the Pitchfork's, Variety's, Billboard's, and endless other publications (who help shape critical taste and opinions) that **their** pick was wrong. These are the same outlet's who'll be covering any kind of Bey snub...and I imagine will frame the discourse in the context of the Grammys being out of touch. 

 

I'm a stan, but in times like this, I almost wish I wasn't because these rantings can be relegated to pressed stan fodder. But in reality, (from a Grammys perspective) there's an objective logical, and business case for why Bey almost HAS to win AOTY on Sunday. That's not to say the show won't exist if she loses, but it'd be self sabotage for the Grammys  if she doesn't win and shaves years off the show's future relevance. 

Point taken. Well let's just see how this all is going to play out.

13 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Beyond deserving the award, the reason a Bey snub will be big news and big time bad for the Grammys, is the sheer number of #1 rankings Ren had on credible end of year lists. It'd essentially be telling the Pitchfork's, Variety's, Billboard's, and endless other publications (who help shape critical taste and opinions) that **their** pick was wrong. These are the same outlet's who'll be covering any kind of Bey snub...and I imagine will frame the discourse in the context of the Grammys being out of touch. 

Oh this is a good point I hadn’t considered. 

4 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Granted I'm sure our girl probably has untold stories for days (along the lines of Adele's "they asked me to join TikTok"), I've never gotten the sense that Columbia haven't done right by her. 

 

4 was the one glaring era, but a combo of Mathew leaving just before, her finding her feet managing herself, and then getting pregnant mid-era doesn't scream "label screwing me over" to me. 

 

After that, sis has been on her anti-Pop star flex all by herself. ST, Lem, the side projects, no promo etc. She won the game and is playing overtime but by her own rules. 

 

For every single year over the two decades, Bey would probably broker the biggest record deal of all time if she were to ever leave Columbia and go elsewhere. Just imagine the bidding war. Yet she's stayed with them this entire time. Given her appetite for coins, boss moves, etc, it's telling IMO of where the relationship is and the high esteem they hold her in. 

True, and they kinda single handedly promoted Renaissance 

Wait… is Taylor nominated for AOTY?

 

4 hours ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

Bad bunny winning would be the worst thing ever. 

He deserves it, he had the biggest AOTY, nothing changes that. The cultural impact alone was felt globally, and we shouldnt dim his chances at making history for an album Beyonce doesnt even want people to know exists. She pulled these stunts, same with Formation.

 

Bad Bunny and Harry Styles are the toss up, she will have to accept what votes she gets.