6 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

Some of the takes in here  She'll win both dance categories, R&B performance for CUFF IT, and AOTY.

 

Mary is steep competition in R&B (she's also an AOTY nominee herself this season). Voters might decide to give Mary love in R&B and support Bey in AOTY, but there's no way she sweeps all categories. 

I only worry about the dance categories because of how cliqueish genre categories are. 

tbh I can see the big pop girls splitting the vote in the visual media song, but i don’t care about Be Alive anyway so 

Another forum. Grain of salt..

 

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Posters for the tour drop on Feb 6th - dates for london are May 29th and 30th and Tottenham Stadium.

 

13 minutes ago, Lorde Von Vok said:

I've always been confident that Renaissance will get AOTY, but I'm more and more thinking it will be Bad Bunny's (although he shouldn't get it in my opinion) and Bey will snatch the rest of her nominations, mostly the Dance and R&B categories.

I'm still holding out for a Rennie win. I get the pessimism, but think at a literal business / telecast level, the Grammys have more to lose than gain by playing with Bey again. From a reputation and future-proofing standpoint.  

 

But, I agree, if they go in another direction, Bad Bunny feels likely based on HDD's (possibly stale) tea. They mentioned Harry deserving to win (wack take) but it looking like someone else for "political" reasons. The only two scenarios that comfortably fit in that bracket are:

 

* A Bey Win: they are almost obligated at this point and with this album more than any other before. 

 

or

 

* Bad Bunny: the cultural significance being an a Spanish language album. 

 

I'm still leaning more towards Bey because, like someone else said, Bad Bunny didn't even win AOTY at the Latin Grammys. So logic (which isn't always in high supply) surely wouldn't have him win outside his niche when he wasn't deemed the worthy winner within it. Surely?

1 hour ago, Shelter said:

Jojo praising and doing the Dubai riff

 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYNS2Dxs/

 

Either people are doing it in falsetto or its pure yelling

4 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

Another forum. Grain of salt..

 

 

It's an easy guess to say they're coming the day after the GRAMMYs, but I want something this week 

3 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

It's an easy guess to say they're coming the day after the GRAMMYs, but I want something this week 

Write her a letter

I dont think of the Grammys and expect the worst when it comes to them.

28 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

Another forum. Grain of salt..

 

 

One of these insiders is wrong. Why wait until after the Grammys unless there is a performance. 

12 minutes ago, Shelter said:

One of these insiders is wrong. Why wait until after the Grammys unless there is a performance. 

From what I heard, announcement this week and general sale after the Grammys (Feb 10th).

15 minutes ago, Shelter said:

One of these insiders is wrong. Why wait until after the Grammys unless there is a performance. 

 

Just now, Draper. said:

From what I heard, announcement this week and general sale after the Grammys (Feb 10th).

Yup, I had to re-read the new tea. But the posters may be nothing more than post-announcement promo and don't necessarily mean it's the date she's announcing. All signs point to it coming this week. 

 

At the same time, I doubt she'll have much worry about generating awareness in major markets, so not sure what the point of posters really will be. Or am I overestimating her automated sales ability?

1 minute ago, Cbreezy said:

 

Yup, I had to re-read the new tea. But the posters may be nothing more than post-announcement promo and don't necessarily mean it's the date she's announcing. All signs point to it coming this week. 

 

At the same time, I doubt she'll have much worry about generating awareness in major markets, so not sure what the point of posters really will be. Or am I overestimating her automated sales ability?

I don't think you're overestimating her sales ability, this will sell out immediately. 

It’s 50/50, either she wins cause everyone FEELS she deserves a win. Or she loses cause everyone FEELS she’s going to win. 

 

Those are two distinct sentiments when it comes to voting. Ppl play too much when it looks like something is in the bag. If enough ppl throw away their votes or split between similar albums, then we could see the opposite of what we want.

 

People really just have to go into it without any prejudice and vote for the best album, irrespective of the politics and maneuvering involved. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Draper. said:

I don't think you're overestimating her sales ability, this will sell out immediately. 

And I was thinking of checking flights and hotels first to see what would be cheaper 

 

I might just have to buy the tickets impulsively and then deal with the logistics after nnnnn

Also, Bey is not performing at the Grammys. They done disrespected her too many times. She’s very much a silently cut someone off type of gyal. Can you imagine if she goes and loses the category for the 4th!! time how humiliating that is for her as an artist?

 

She’s taking the Renaissance performances/show directly on tour I fear. 

17 minutes ago, Draper. said:

From what I heard, announcement this week and general sale after the Grammys (Feb 10th).

Makes sense 

Bey/Bad bunny aoty, soty adele, roty harry

47 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

I dont think of the Grammys and expect the worst when it comes to them.

Basically. I'm literally going to LA for that weekend and I'm forgetting about the actual ceremony and awards

I’m starting to understand Bey’s perspective tho. The main purpose of those award shows, from the artist’s perspective is really just exposure. Of course, from the fan perspective it’s everything in life and more. But if you’re someone on Bey’s level, where a private concert in a country 1,000 miles away can go viral… there’s literally no reason to perform at a ratings declining Grammys.

 

Renaissance is much less of a statement album than LemonLegend, which I imagine is the main reason she performed it everywhere — same with Be Alive… which she didn’t even bother to do live… nnn. Rene is really all about good vibes and dance. It doesn’t even need visuals to get its point across. So why would it need an award show performance? 
 

It’s sad, but with 3 kids and a tight schedule, I’d rather she focus on putting together a bomb ass tour that I, and millions others, get to experience in person than a format specific 5-10 min award show slot performance. 

It’s either her or bad bunny for AOTY there is no way in hell they are gonna give it to adele. 30 was a NONEVENT and the general consensus is that it was mid

Edited January 30, 20233 yr by bijonse

Bey: AOTY, R&B Song, R&B Perf, Dance Song, Dance Album (5)

Brandi: Americana Perf, American Roots Song, Americana Album, Rock Song, Rock Perf (5)

Kendrick: Rap categories (4)

Adele: SOTY, ROTY, Pop Album, Pop Solo (4)

Bad Bunny: Música Urbana Album (1)

Mary: Traditional R&B Perf (1)

ABBA: Pop Duo (1)

and then either Harry or Taylor can take Video.

Lizzo, Coldplay (0)

 

That would be the best outcome imo.

If she goes to the Grammys they need to do something for her since she’s gonna be the most awarded artist ever there. They’re still the premier music awards for the entire globe even if they’re not taken as seriously anymore

1 minute ago, Draper. said:

Bey: AOTY, R&B Song, R&B Perf, Dance Song, Dance Album (5)

Brandi: Americana Perf, American Roots Song, Americana Album, Rock Song, Rock Perf (5)

Kendrick: Rap categories (4)

Adele: SOTY, ROTY, Pop Album, Pop Solo (4)

Bad Bunny: Música Urbana Album (1)

Mary: Traditional R&B Perf (1)

ABBA: Pop Duo (1)

and then either Harry or Taylor can take Video.

Lizzo, Coldplay (0)

 

That would be the best outcome imo.

Adele does not deserve ROTY or AOTY, maybe if my little love or i drink wine was up for the award I could see it

3 minutes ago, bijonse said:

It’s either her or bad bunny for AOTY there is no way in hell they are gonna give it to adele. 30 was a NONEVENT and the general consensus is that it was mid

You have to remember who is voting, a lot of old members. 

6 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I’m starting to understand Bey’s perspective tho. The main purpose of those award shows, from the artist’s perspective is really just exposure. Of course, from the fan perspective it’s everything in life and more. But if you’re someone on Bey’s level, where a private concert in a country 1,000 miles away can go viral… there’s literally no reason to perform at a ratings declining Grammys.

 

Renaissance is much less of a statement album than LemonLegend, which I imagine is the main reason she performed it everywhere — same with Be Alive… which she didn’t even bother to do live… nnn. Rene is really all about good vibes and dance. It doesn’t even need visuals to get its point across. So why would it need an award show performance? 
 

It’s sad, but with 3 kids and a tight schedule, I’d rather she focus on putting together a bomb ass tour that I, and millions others, get to experience in person than a format specific 5-10 min award show slot performance. 

I'm with almost all of this, but not sure about the Lemonade part. 

 

I know I'm being pedantic cus it's even not the main point you're making and your overall point is on the money about where she is in her career. 

 

But IMO Lemonade was the amplification of her really scaling tf back. ST started it and Lem cemented it.

 

Her live approach was largely limited to Super Bowl + a handful of award shows. And even then you get the sense that there had to be some kind of "premium" for her to show up (e.g. VMA Vanguard).

 

So, with Lem, I don't think she was going all-out to spread the message. If anything, I saw the whole era as her going kinda "anti" the usual Pop star promo path BECAUSE of the era's political messaging. 

 

Stans swear that Formation was a #1 in waiting, but almost certain I've read something semi-official about the whole "unlisted" video thing being to de-emphasise the charting aspect of the song and spotlight its message.