Love how others can collect their bag in peace without scrutiny from 5-6 fans mad they didn’t get their way 

 

 

Edited December 27, 20223 yr by OnMyCoolJ
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40 minutes ago, Otter said:

Why do you need to worship someone to be critical of them?

The irony is the side claiming indifference, must keep downplaying other peoples feelings. If you were truly indifferent, you wouldn't feel the need to double down. That in essense is the bootlicking 

I think this is what frustrates me. When I log off ATRL, none of this is on my mind. I'm not fuming, I'm not wringing my hands or shaking people by the shoulders, "HAVE YOU HEARD WHAT BEYONCE HAS DONE?" 

 

This is the only place I come to discuss her, the good and the bad. It's frustrating to be hit with accusations of being a hater for coming to the one place I should be able to express my opinions. This is a forum; by definition we are here to share our perspectives even if they aren't the same. The Hive really can be hive mind and incredibly dismissive and rude when people disagree. 

 

It's less about the Dubai situation now and more about the nonstop policing of what other people should think. I totally get the perspective of why she would do the concert and why it isn't a problem, I just happen to have a different one. This isn't something any of us can objectively claim the moral high ground on.

 

Anyway, Renaissance > ST > Lemonade > 4 > B'Day > DIL >>>>>>>>>> IASF

Can some of you just get another fav. That would solve some of your issues 

3 minutes ago, HeavyMetalAura said:

You could apply the same mentality to praising her though. Is Bey really on someone’s mind and soul so much that they spend hours upon hours browsing ATRL and posting over and over again how much they love her, want the visuals, speculating about her next project, etc and for what? Sure, it’s a hobby and a source of enjoyment/entertainment, but you could also argue that engaging in political discourse is a hobby - and a more productive/fulfilling one at that - than engaging in discussion about visuals that haven’t even been released yet. 
 

I think some of you (not necessarily you) have this idea that people who criticize Bey are basement-dwelling losers who are constantly fuming/angry. Me personally, as someone who finds both political/ethical discussions AND pop music interesting, can add to the discussion by criticizing Bey and then go on with my happy life. Posting a comment on here doesn’t mean I’m constantly thinking about her/fuming as I go on about my day. Frankly I don’t think about this situation much at all until I log on to ATRL and visit the base. And that’s when I add to the discussion. It’s really not that serious. 

I wish I'd seen this post before I typed out mine because this is exactly how I feel. 

Just now, Shelter said:

Can some of you just get another fav. That would solve some of your issues 

Bingo. 
 

instead they are in here acting miserable proceeded by a circle j*rk of essays in quotes trying to convince hope on how *not* miserable they are 

1 minute ago, Shelter said:

Can some of you just get another fav. That would solve some of your issues 

This is giving 2017 Little Trumpers telling his opponents to move to Europe if they have such a problem with the US. You can have criticism of something or someone without wholly giving up on it. 

All of us clearly love the art and her talents, we just disagree occasionally on aspects of how she handles her career. 

1 minute ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

Bingo. 
 

instead they are in here acting miserable proceeded by a circle j*rk of essays in quotes trying to convince hope on how *not* miserable they are 

This is starting to sound like projection because why are you so convinced anyone who has a different viewpoint is miserable? It's such a transparent tactic to invalidate any dissenting opinion. 

Just now, ShouldersSideways said:

This is giving 2017 Little Trumpers telling his opponents to move to Europe if they have such a problem with the US. You can have criticism of something or someone without wholly giving up on it. 

All of us clearly love the art and her talents, we just disagree occasionally on aspects of how she handles her career. 

Yeah and that’s fine but why is it still going on, is it going to change her views? No. The base right now is so miserable. 

Just now, ShouldersSideways said:

This is starting to sound like projection because why are you so convinced anyone who has a different viewpoint is miserable? It's such a transparent tactic to invalidate any dissenting opinion. 

You are miserable. Through and through. 

Just now, Shelter said:

Yeah and that’s fine but why is it still going on, is it going to change her views? No. The base right now is so miserable. 

I totally agree the daily "**** this ***** where is the visuals" was miserable and grating, but I think since we just got news of something coming up its reinvigorated discussion for once. It's not like we are going in circles over a teaser that came out four months ago, we're discussing recent Beyonce news.

2 minutes ago, G'Day said:

I genuinely think we should have two separate bases: one for people who don’t wanna see any criticisms or complaints and one for people who actually want to discuss all aspects of Bey’s career. 
 

It’s always the same side wanting people to leave or unstan so there must be some sort of solution.

I don’t know what base you’ve been in, but she has been dragged all year in here and I’ve been one of them. Just because some don’t agree with those crying about Dubai, they get insulted and called names. It’s very childish. 

This argument is much like the never ending capitalism debate.  In theory, being a billionaire is unethical, or supporting multi billion corporations that mass produce items due to supply chains, under paid workers, warehouse conditions, etc.  

 

Yet we still go out and spend our money on these items that uphold these very institutions we say are unethical.  Like the irony of making posts or tweeting critique on iPhones that someone somewhere probably helped create in a 18 hour work day for 2 cents an hour or something.  

 

Beyoncé performing in Dubai for an hour, flying private and what that does to the environment, mass producing Adidas clothing (we can unpack this for days), being a billionaire, etc.  They’re all things you can pick apart and find ethical issue with.

 

If her ethics upset you over Dubai, it might be time to step back and consider moving on from celebrity worship & commercialism altogether, because this is what it entails.  And we’re all complicit in it.   And that’s the truth.  Truth hurts.

9 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Can some of you just get another fav. That would solve some of your issues 

7 minutes ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

Bingo. 
 

instead they are in here acting miserable proceeded by a circle j*rk of essays in quotes trying to convince hope on how *not* miserable they are 

Oh dear, the MAGA cultists have turned up. This is literally like when they tell people to get out of the country if they have any issues.  We can love Bey and hold her accountable when she makes bad decisions.

 

If you want to bootlick her, go right ahead, but I'm not going to unstan a woman I've loved for two decades because she's made a bad decision. Get a grip.

1 minute ago, G'Day said:

And those “crying” about Dubai also get insulted and called names — “miserable,” “mental illness,” “get a life,” “faux outrage,” “communist Hive,” “entitled,” etc. Both sides are childish…

I don't even think both sides are childish. It's just a few particular hateful members who derail conversations because they can't actually discuss anything or argue a point. There have been posts from both sides that have merit and we could have an actual discussion if the children weren't banging pots and pans on the floor.

Just now, XXX. said:

This argument is much like the never ending capitalism debate.  In theory, being a billionaire is unethical, or supporting multi billion corporations that mass produce items due to supply chains, under paid workers, warehouse conditions, etc.  

 

Yet we still go out and spend our money on these items that uphold these very institutions we say are unethical.  Like the irony of making posts or tweeting critique on iPhones that someone somewhere probably helped create in a 18 hour work day for 2 cents an hour or something.  

 

Beyoncé performing in Dubai for an hour, flying private and what that does to the environment, mass producing Adidas clothing (we can unpack this for days), being a billionaire, etc.  They’re all things you can pick apart and find ethical issue with.

 

If her ethics upset you over Dubai, it might be time to step back and consider moving on from celebrity worship & commercialism altogether, because this is what it entails.  And we’re all complicit in it.   And that’s the truth.  Truth hurts.

 

the faux hive looks absolutely ridiculous + no one outside of atrl is joining their lil non starter crusade 

 

they wanted a moment and the GP didn’t bat a lash 

The Kylie thing makes me laugh because the Kylocal Minobodies are in fact very disappointed by their fave, they're just not as pressed or vocal because she actually gave them an era recently in which everyone was eating good for like two years. She didn't troll anyone or try to teach anyone lessons about how to listen to pop. There was music on music on videos on videos on virtual concerts on remixes on interviews on the artist herself just generally being nice and cool and acting like a human being. Extremely zero of which Renaissance provided the Hive. Kylie's definitely getting heat in her circle of cigs, it's just not tinged with deprivation the way the Hive's heat is.

27 minutes ago, MrLovett said:

Oh dear, the MAGA cultists have turned up. This is literally like when they tell people to get out of the country if they have any issues.  We can love Bey and hold her accountable when she makes bad decisions.

 

If you want to bootlick her, go right ahead, but I'm not going to unstan a woman I've loved for two decades because she's made a bad decision. Get a grip.

Nah you just gonna bang your keyboard in rage. That’ll really shake the table and bring about change 

 

look at you changing the world. 1 hypocritical ATRL rant at the time. 
 

nobel peace prize incoming. 

42 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I think this is what frustrates me. When I log off ATRL, none of this is on my mind. I'm not fuming, I'm not wringing my hands or shaking people by the shoulders, "HAVE YOU HEARD WHAT BEYONCE HAS DONE?" 

 

This is the only place I come to discuss her, the good and the bad. It's frustrating to be hit with accusations of being a hater for coming to the one place I should be able to express my opinions. This is a forum; by definition we are here to share our perspectives even if they aren't the same. The Hive really can be hive mind and incredibly dismissive and rude when people disagree. 

 

It's less about the Dubai situation now and more about the nonstop policing of what other people should think. I totally get the perspective of why she would do the concert and why it isn't a problem, I just happen to have a different one. This isn't something any of us can objectively claim the moral high ground on.

 

Anyway, Renaissance > ST > Lemonade > 4 > B'Day > DIL >>>>>>>>>> IASF

You summed it up quite nicely

32 minutes ago, XXX. said:

This argument is much like the never ending capitalism debate.  In theory, being a billionaire is unethical, or supporting multi billion corporations that mass produce items due to supply chains, under paid workers, warehouse conditions, etc.  

 

Yet we still go out and spend our money on these items that uphold these very institutions we say are unethical.  Like the irony of making posts or tweeting critique on iPhones that someone somewhere probably helped create in a 18 hour work day for 2 cents an hour or something.  

 

Beyoncé performing in Dubai for an hour, flying private and what that does to the environment, mass producing Adidas clothing (we can unpack this for days), being a billionaire, etc.  They’re all things you can pick apart and find ethical issue with.

 

If her ethics upset you over Dubai, it might be time to step back and consider moving on from celebrity worship & commercialism altogether, because this is what it entails.  And we’re all complicit in it.   And that’s the truth.  Truth hurts.

!! Y’all pretending to be up in arms about the ethics of it was so bs. Be real we all just wanna see her do a performance, if there’s a live stream or something everyone will suddenly switch

1 hour ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

 

 

I’m screaming.  She really ate this look, by the way.  The Kardashians and everyone flaunting their $10,000 bill bags, and Beyoncé commissions a one-of-one $1Billion bag.  
 

Post-EIL, mind you, when the critique of their “flagrant wealth flaunting” was the loudest.  She’s hilarious.  

2 minutes ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

Nah you just gonna bang your keyboard in rage. That’ll really shake the table and bring about change 

 

look at you changing the world. 1 hypocritical ATRL rant at the time. 
 

nobel peace prize incoming. 

The funny thing is, things do change when people vocalise their unhappiness against wrongdoings. But instead you're choosing to bootlick and never call her out on any poor choices, because "hey, she's a billionaire so who cares about her morals!!!11". Not to mention telling us we should unstan someone we've loved for decades because we're unhappy with a decision she's made.

 

You (and several others) have really shown your true colours in this situation and it's really sad to see a fan base that I so loved being a part of, because we stand up for minorities and praise our fave for doing the same, become just as toxic as the others.

Survivor (the album) been growing on me so much like I was listening to sexy daddy and dance with me today hearing sounds I wasn’t hearing before  my mom used to play that album a lot when I was little too so it’s a lil nostalgic for me

1 hour ago, HeavyMetalAura said:

The thing I think is funny is that if we criticize Bey for doing something worthy of criticism, y’all say “touch grass!” “Get a job!” “No one cares!” Yet when we praise her and talk about how amazing she is, that is considered a productive use of time and not a sign that the commenter is unemployed.  

 

Also some of you need to learn how to correctly use the phrase “performative outrage.” Posting a comment criticizing her for performing Dubai is no different than posting a comment praising her for how much of a slay the Heated outro is. It’s the same thing: Bey does an action, we discuss it and apply a positive or negative feeling to the action and move on. If y’all are gonna call that performative outrage then I’m gonna say y’all are performative loving Renaissance. 

 

OT: release the visuals coward!

I almost spat out my tea 

 

1 minute ago, XXX. said:

 

I’m screaming.  She really ate this look, by the way.  The Kardashians and everyone flaunting their $10,000 bill bags, and Beyoncé commissions a one-of-one $1Billion bag.  
 

Post-EIL, mind you, when the critique of their “flagrant wealth flaunting” was the loudest.  She’s hilarious.  

 Bey is never going to bend the knee. Self aware, loud n proud self. 
 

no amount of albino alligators tears are going to make an impact. 

Beyoncé doesn’t truly have any boots to lick and I think that’s what other people have been getting at. She is not a politician and she’s not getting involved in the affairs of the UAE. Shes a singer entertainer and businesswoman. Some rich (and probably gay) ppl over there are paying her to do a performance. And it’s a LOT of money in an era where music recordings themselves are not making that much money. Pop musicians are about making money from their music and **** like this lady talks about how rich she is and stuff in her music and has been doing so for like 20 years soooooo