27 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Which units exactly? It still only sells half of TTPD's units in the US and 4 millions behind TTPD globally according to CM. The way half of you post are fake information and you calling another people "cult" 

Uh isn't that what he said  

 

ot: chile

42 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

Which units exactly? It still only sells half of TTPD's units in the US and 4 millions behind TTPD globally according to CM. The way half of you post are fake information and you calling another people "cult" 

TTPD Anthology physicals haven't been updated on CM yet. Once updated TTPD will be above 16 million units. 

Even if final overall streams are close, Taylor will obliterate her with physicals, that's why she'll always be ahead of her in units. 

1 hour ago, KOMH said:

Just debuting at #1 would be enough to outdo the #2 peaking album.

 

Always picking at that scab of HMHAS not getting that number one because of Taylor 

 

 

 

It may but it will depend on the longevity of the album.

Considering she has 7 albums (Fearless, Red, 1989, Reputation, Lover, Folklore, Midnights) bigger than HMHAS even if we exclude TTPD, she is likely to have another one. 

HMHAS will surpass TTPD on Spotify in a couple of weeks/months (not sure when exactly). It already has more streams on other platforms combined. It'll surpass it in total units by the end of next year considering it was doing almost double the daily streams. 

Overall? Depends on the quality of the album? First week? Obviously 

1 hour ago, Loca said:

As per Chartmasters (cited above by someone from your cult), this is not the truth. HMHAS already reached a total of 10.4M units based on streaming alone; TTPD pales in comparison with 10.1M, despite an earlier release and 21 extra tracks. Do you think TLOAS will even be able to compete, having 19 tracks less than TTPD? Please elaborate.

Is there anything suggesting that more tracks = more streams? 

 

Lover has less tracks than Midnights and outstreamed total and daily. 

folklore has less tracks than evermore and outstreamed total and daily. 

Red TV has more tracks than 1989 TV and outstreamed total and daily. 

Fearless TV has more tracks than Speak Now TV and outstreamed total and daily. 

 

There's really no clear patterns. And that's literally within Taylor's own discography. Looking at the 10 most streamed albums on Spotify, the number of tracks ranges from 11 to 42, with 5 of what's considered normal length (<20 tracks), and 5 over that threshold. 

 

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So based on what I said, it's like you can't really predict the success of an album based on the number of tracks. BUT, if I had to guess... HMHAS is at 11-12M units right now. Only 1 Taylor album out of 11 so far is below that total. I'd say the odds suggest that TLOAS would at least be competing with that. But who knows, maybe you'll finally be able to sleep well at night in 1.5-2 years if TLOAS only crossed 10M and we'll have to concede that Taylor's 12th album wasn't as successful as Billie's 3rd. But if not... 

 

2 minutes ago, Incandescent Glow said:

Is there anything suggesting that more tracks = more streams? 

It is a logical assumption to make while the actual numbers are not out, let's not be dense here. 
 

And you all need to stop bringing up decade old albums to dismiss the success of a classic that came out last year. The mental gymnastics going on in here lmao.

Where are Billie's stans by the way

Now that Fortnight is reaching 1 billion streams you had to come up with something new

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Loca said:

It is a logical assumption to make while the actual numbers are not out, let's not be dense here. 
 

And you all need to stop bringing up decade old albums to dismiss the success of a classic that came out last year. The mental gymnastics going on in here lmao.

Where did I dismiss anyone's success exactly? All I'm saying is that Billie's album is in the ballpark of what a Taylor album usually does at a minimum so I'm using that to say that I expect TLOAS to fall within a similar range.

 

And btw, if you dont want hear about older albums, let me remind you you yourself brought up the fact that HMHAS is yet to catch up to TTPD so what are we supposed to do?  

 

2 hours ago, Loca said:

As per Chartmasters (cited above by someone from your cult), this is not the truth. HMHAS already reached a total of 10.4M units based on streaming alone; TTPD pales in comparison with 10.1M, despite an earlier release and 21 extra tracks. Do you think TLOAS will even be able to compete, having 19 tracks less than TTPD? Please elaborate.

"Cult" that's cute 

Isnt TTPD 7x platinum?
The Billie set up omg

3 minutes ago, aotearoa said:

Isnt TTPD 7x platinum?
The Billie set up omg

9x platinum eligible actually. Anthology physicals count as 2LPs

Edited August 16, 20251 yr by Calvin

Notice how the stats being used for TTPD are always first week while the bigger picture gets conveniently ignored, which is HMHAS having more legs and stability on streaming than really any Taylor album in the streaming era so far. Like even the SOUR records weren't safe.

 

 

But to the OP's question, I don't know. I mean once again we have Taylor running back to her old hitmakers to try and make sure she doesn't have an era as hitless or critically mid as TTPD again. She's chasing charts not arts it seems, but will the timeless music be there to do the job? Let's wait and see.

 

3 hours ago, Loca said:

For future reference, the first four tracks of HMHAS have the following streams, 456 days after release:

Skinny: 304M

Lunch: 850M

Chihiro: 932M

Birds of a Feather: 2.9B

This discussion is focused on the overall and everlasting performance of the albums mentioned, not quick first week sales, but thank you for sharing your (limited) perspective

Streams are not sales btw

10 minutes ago, Nnnv said:

Streams are not sales btw

Will TLOAS be able to outdo HMHAS?

3 minutes ago, Loca said:

Will TLOAS be able to outdo HMHAS?

And why does that matter?

 

As I can see, no Billie album has reached 1989 kind of stability. So why should Taylor care at all.

 

3 hours ago, Loca said:

I know it is a hard concept for your cult to grasp, since no song from TTPD reached 1B streams yet, but art is meant to be experienced outside of its first week as well. HMHAS did not need to debut at #1 to become a classic. Will Taylor be able to achieve the same with TLOAS? That is the question.

Drag these chart obsessed Stans of mediocrity 

It did not, no

On 8/16/2025 at 11:19 AM, Sasori. said:

this album is going to be her most successful yet, i think. since people will have less tracks to focus on.

 

so yes it's pretty much a given that she will outdo billie!

Well well

time, the ultimate truth teller.

the fact that showgirl is still more successful than that album…