8 hours ago, killer_rose said:

So, what happened to the discord? Never got an invite. 

It’s happening. Will send you one when the next batches go out. 

Please add this in our emojis.

 

 

3 hours ago, Assassin said:

when is he gonna get his thread creation privileges revoked?

 

Hopefully never

4 hours ago, Assassin said:

when is he gonna get his thread creation privileges revoked?

 

So LONG overdue.  

 

These two threads are both the same energy, but the responses are so different  i feel bad for this member getting downvoted because if he made this same comment on the asteroid thread they'd get laughing reactions

 

 

19 hours ago, Assassin said:

when is he gonna get his thread creation privileges revoked?

 

When Xtina charts again

is there a reason why I can't remove the dark mode banner from the top of my screen? I promise I've seen the announcement! 

Edited July 30, 20251 yr by Cholien

Why are members allowed to wish death on politicians and celebrities easily on this site but accidently misgendering or making a comment about israel gets you banned 

46 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

Why are members allowed to wish death on politicians and celebrities easily on this site but accidently misgendering or making a comment about israel gets you banned 

The OP clearly states not to use this thread to complain about warning points. You could have submitted a HR regarding the Demi post.
 

And please don’t start this Israel shit. Context matters. 
 

 

42 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

Why are members allowed to wish death on politicians and celebrities easily on this site but accidently misgendering or making a comment about israel gets you banned 

They're not allowed to wish death on celebrities, where did you get that from? Unless they're responsible for horrible stuff, I guess, just like those politicians. Death is the least they deserve at some points, given some of them better suffer long lives in prison for their horrible crimes 

 

Users make comments about Israel in here the whole time, and keep on misgendering Sam Smith too, so your narrative keeps on being false. Your dupe must have said something awful in case it got banned

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

The OP clearly states not to use this thread to complain about warning points. You could have submitted a HR regarding the Demi post.
 

And please don't start this Israel ****. Context matters. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, BrokenMachine said:

They're not allowed to wish death on celebrities, where did you get that from? Unless they're responsible for horrible stuff, I guess, just like those politicians. Death is the least they deserve at some points, given some of them better suffer long lives in prison for their horrible crimes 

 

Users make comments about Israel in here the whole time, and keep on misgendering Sam Smith too, so your narrative keeps on being false. Your dupe must have said something awful in case it got banned

I wasn't complaining about a warning point? It was a legitimate question and idk about the Demi thread or whatver, what happened was I saw a Trump thread and people are in there saying they wish he would get sh*t, etc  and then people on here saying they wish the most brutal deaths on israelis its lowkey disturbing and can be triggering to some. I just feel its a bit much compared to some offenses on here and wanted to discuss it and thought this is the place to speak about the ethics of this place 

 

I feel like any post wishing death on ANY marginalized group or person is kinda disgusting idk 

1 minute ago, AriankaPetty said:

 

I wasn't complaining about a warning point? It was a legitimate question and idk about the Demi thread or whatver, what happened was I saw a Trump thread and people are in there saying they wish he would get sh*t, etc  and then people on here saying they wish the most brutal deaths on israelis its lowkey disturbing and can be triggering to some. I just feel its a bit much compared to some offenses on here and wanted to discuss it and thought this is the place to speak about the ethics of this place 

 

I feel like any post wishing death on ANY marginalized group or person is kinda disgusting idk 

And yet Donald Trump is not a marginalized person at all, so I don't get your point 

 

As Ryan said for the Israel stuff, context matters, and I'm sure the wild comments get handled correctly by the moderation team 

2 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

And yet Donald Trump is not a marginalized person at all, so I don't get your point 

 

As Ryan said for the Israel stuff, context matters, and I'm sure the wild comments get handled correctly by the moderation team 

Life is precious I don't agree with violence and the way some people talk about people wanting to be killed on atrl is borderline psychopathic is it not? 

 

dont the feds investigate people who make death threats to politicians?  

23 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

Life is precious I don't agree with violence and the way some people talk about people wanting to be killed on atrl is borderline psychopathic is it not? 

And where is this energy for violent psychopathic Donald Trump ?

2 minutes ago, BrokenMachine said:

And where is this energy for violent psychopathic Donald Trump ?

I will not support wishing for death for anybody i don't support death at all is that too hard to understand? That goes for Donald Trump too 

 

People like you probably think the death penalty is humane  

What is this nonsense with merging threads in chart section. Posts about khia songs achieving 500mln streams are up but cruel summer reaching 3bln streams gets merge treatment. At least it wasn't merged into base this time. 

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3 hours ago, AriankaPetty said:

 

I wasn't complaining about a warning point? It was a legitimate question and idk about the Demi thread or whatver, what happened was I saw a Trump thread and people are in there saying they wish he would get sh*t, etc  and then people on here saying they wish the most brutal deaths on israelis its lowkey disturbing and can be triggering to some. I just feel its a bit much compared to some offenses on here and wanted to discuss it and thought this is the place to speak about the ethics of this place 

 

I feel like any post wishing death on ANY marginalized group or person is kinda disgusting idk 

It might be the case that mods are drawing distinctions between what you're calling "death threats" and generally wishing ill on someone. For example, you mentioned a comment wishing Trump would "get sh*t"—this is literally not a death threat  (They're not threatening his life, and people also get shot without dying all the time.) But if a user says, "I can't wait until his next public appearance. I'll be there with my .44" then we would moderate that differently. 

 

Furthermore, I'm almost always confused when users ask "why is x warned but not y" when y'all can't see what posts have been warned  Trust me that we get comments like this ALL the time about posts that have already been warned. (Even the "decision" emails can be misleading, based on how the moderate "clears" the report that has already been warned.)

32 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

It might be the case that mods are drawing distinctions between what you're calling "death threats" and generally wishing ill on someone. For example, you mentioned a comment wishing Trump would "get sh*t"—this is literally not a death threat  (They're not threatening his life, and people also get shot without dying all the time.) But if a user says, "I can't wait until his next public appearance. I'll be there with my .44" then we would moderate that differently. 

 

Furthermore, I'm almost always confused when users ask "why is x warned but not y" when y'all can't see what posts have been warned  Trust me that we get comments like this ALL the time about posts that have already been warned. (Even the "decision" emails can be misleading, based on how the moderate "clears" the report that has already been warned.)

I understand but not really 

 

Because with that logic what if somebody said "I wish trans people will d*e and get sh*t"

 

is that crossing the line on this website? If i said that how long until i am banned? 

 

Is that different, or is it the same as saying "I want Donald Trump to d*e and get sh*t"? 

 

Just a reminder I am not practicing violent ethics or trying to be a smart ass, this is legitimate discussion and idk how to make a thread here so this is the only place I know to discuss a legitimate concern/flaw 

 

sorry if it triggers anyone 

 

 

17 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

Because with that logic what if somebody said "I wish trans people will d*e and get sh*t"

 

Is that different, or is it the same as saying "I want Donald Trump to d*e and get sh*t"? 

These are in fact two very different statements yes

Edited July 30, 20251 yr by penguintim

5 minutes ago, penguintim said:

These are in fact two very different statements yes

They are both equally disgusting friend 

17 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

I understand but not really 

 

Because with that logic what if somebody said "I wish trans people will d*e and get sh*t"

 

is that crossing the line on this website? If i said that how long until i am banned? 

 

Is that different, or is it the same as saying "I want Donald Trump to d*e and get sh*t"? 

 

Just a reminder I am not practicing violent ethics or trying to be a smart ass, this is legitimate discussion and idk how to make a thread here so this is the only place I know to discuss a legitimate concern/flaw 

 

sorry if it triggers anyone 

The first statement is transphobic, which is explicitly against the site's rules (look under Zero Tolerance Policy). 

 

The second statement, however, is more subjective because it's about Trump, not a historically marginalized group. That statement is not directly addressed in our rules, but it is very possible that some moderators would consider it to fall under the insensitive or trolling category. The thing is, the warning queue is accessible to all moderators and moderating is by nature a subjective process. What I find insensitive may be different from what another moderator finds insensitive. So there will be some discrepancy in how posts are warned, and this is something we talk about often as a mod team. (We also have a "review" system if we are unsure of whether or not to warn something and want additional opinions.)

 

TL;DR: the first post is a direct, objective violation of our rules, the second is subjective.

4 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

They are both equally disgusting friend 

No I think one of them is a bit worse than the other actually

1 minute ago, feelslikeadream said:

The first statement is transphobic, which is explicitly against the site's rules (look under Zero Tolerance Policy). 

 

The second statement, however, is more subjective because it's about Trump, not a historically marginalized group. That statement is not directly addressed in our rules, but it is very possible that some moderators would consider it to fall under the insensitive or trolling category. The thing is, the warning queue is accessible to all moderators and moderating is by nature a subjective process. What I find insensitive may be different from what another moderator finds insensitive. So there will be some discrepancy in how posts are warned, and this is something we talk about often as a mod team. (We also have a "review" system if we are unsure of whether or not to warn something and want additional opinions.)

 

TL;DR: the first post is a direct, objective violation of our rules, the second is subjective.

Alright, I understand the technicalities

 

Not that its my business or a place to discuss this but I'm pretty sure I witnessed somebody get banned recently for saying George Floyd was a drug addict and deserved to die or something along the lines? 

 

I do NOT agree with that at all, but is that not an example of hypocrisy in this context?

 

Who are we allowed to wish death on here vs who we are not ? Its so confusing... 

34 minutes ago, AriankaPetty said:

Alright, I understand the technicalities

 

Not that its my business or a place to discuss this but I'm pretty sure I witnessed somebody get banned recently for saying George Floyd was a drug addict and deserved to die or something along the lines? 

 

I do NOT agree with that at all, but is that not an example of hypocrisy in this context?

 

Who are we allowed to wish death on here vs who we are not ? Its so confusing... 

Example of hypocrisy? How so, when I just explained the technicality that moderation is subjective? I fear you didn't actually understand my comment if you think this is an example of hypocrisy.

 

Furthermore, Floyd's death was a product of America's racial caste system that treats Black lives as dispensable. The comment, with its racist overtones re: drug abuse, is more directly in violation of our rules since it's racist.

 

I mean, the examples you gave so far are kind of clear to me? You gave examples of transphobia and racism, both of which would be warned. The other example is attacking an individual based on his personality/actions rather than his identity. I don't see how you think they're all comparable tbh