1 hour ago, stephen1108 said:

Did y’all hear that clip of “Training Season”? It sounds real to me 👀 But you never know with all this AI fuckery going on

WaiT sounds epic already 

The snippet sounds like this and TS could flow into each other really well, we love a sonical theme

People still arguing that Houdini is just a regular pop song  no it’s not avant-garde or experimental but it also doesnt sound like the songs that smash on the Hot 100 right now. Greedy, Water, Lovin on Me, My Love Mine All Mine, PTTR are all much more lowkey while this is more maximalist dance music. 

5 minutes ago, Love Again said:

People still arguing that Houdini is just a regular pop song  no it’s not avant-garde or experimental but it also doesnt sound like the songs that smash on the Hot 100 right now. Greedy, Water, Lovin on Me, My Love Mine All Mine, PTTR are all much more lowkey while this is more maximalist dance music. 

The 8 second snippet of TS already sounds way more accessible for the GP.

 

However I think making Hoedini the lead will pay off in the end 

2 hours ago, Shaner69 said:

Lol Ava couldn't pull this off let's be serious.  Plus who the hell is Ava max? 

How the **** couldnt ava pull it off?? she is a much bigger vocalist than dua and D&D is better than houdini

 

 

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2 hours ago, stephen1108 said:

Did y’all hear that clip of “Training Season”? It sounds real to me 👀 But you never know with all this AI fuckery going on

what does it sound like? 

7 minutes ago, SayIt said:

what does it sound like? 

It's only 8 seconds, you can barely make it out. Sounds like the first verse. It gives me Berlin Summer though.

33 minutes ago, katara said:

The 8 second snippet of TS already sounds way more accessible for the GP.

 

However I think making Hoedini the lead will pay off in the end 

Why do you thinking making Houdini the lead will pay off? 

1 hour ago, Geraldine said:

How the **** couldnt ava pull it off?? she is a much bigger vocalist than dua and D&D is better than houdini

 

 

No that's a choice. 

3 hours ago, Grizzo said:

come on guys it’s not like Houdini is an experimental avant-garde pop song….

 

i mean it follows quite a simple structure….. even some Girls Aloud are more sophisticated than that 

 

I still like the song though! Hope it’s gonna end up being a medium sized hit and that the next single will be even more exciting 

Song structure? That’s not ….

 

it’s the MJ thriller reference, the synth riffs etc. 

 

2 hours ago, Geraldine said:

How the **** couldnt ava pull it off?? she is a much bigger vocalist than dua and D&D is better than houdini

 

 

Me if I did crack

5 hours ago, Bhabylon said:

Love Dua but Houdini is an Ava Max'd pop bop, now c'mon now

This is such a forced opinion lmao, like please ya’ll, stop saying things just because you can

5 hours ago, lip said:

People keep trying to say it sounds safe and sounds like a FN throwaway but then they can never explain which FN song it sounds like...

 

Obviously Houdini is too ambitious for a lot of "pop" stans online. If it's not Max Martin or Dr. Luke then it's too weird for some.

It doesn’t sound like another FN song the same way none of the songs on FN sound like each other. They share the same funky disco undercurrent. The only slight sonic difference in Houdini is that it uses more organic instrumentation rather than the heavy electronic focus a lot of the tracks on FN have, but the reason everyone keeps comparing them is because Houdini absolutely does belong in the same universe.

 

I agree that the songs ambition is why it’s not performing right now. Most pop songs have a simple melody that catches in your head and brings you back to the song, the hook, this song doesn’t have that, it instead replaces a catchy hook with production maximalism. There’s dramatic synths, organic instruments, heavily layered sounds, a key change, instrumental breaks, the dramatic outro. It’s a lot. 
 

 

The song is an awesome showcase for how Dua can ride more complex sounds and produce impactful pieces of work, but is also a perfect example of how less is more if the goal is commercial success. It’s a great song regardless but I’m not surprised at the initial struggle to take off.

 

 

Riseee!!

Just now, Ivan_brit said:

 

 

Riseee!!

cmon this deserve to riseeeeeeeeeee 

6 hours ago, stephen1108 said:

Did y’all hear that clip of “Training Season”? It sounds real to me 👀 But you never know with all this AI fuckery going on

@popmusic do you know if that snippet is real or fake?

2 hours ago, Bad_vocal_technique said:

Song structure? That’s not ….

 

it’s the MJ thriller reference, the synth riffs etc. 

 

Referencing the title track of the best selling album of all time is very avant garde

 

The Training Season snippet is cute if it’s real

 

I was expecting a big dance track though? Like obviously it could turn into that since we only have 8 seconds, but wasn’t the whole idea that there was going to be a huge choreographed performance of it at the EMAs? 
 

Regardless, it does sound more approachable for the US public at least, can’t wait for ESPN to use it on all their off season sport training montages. 

The Smashing Season snippet sounds good. 

Im gonna say sth I probably get a bit of hate for, but: I'm a bit disappointed Dua hasn't worked more on her dancing.

Shes the typical artist who heard sth wasnt good, worked on it, got praise for the improvement, and then stopped trainign and got satisfied.

Theres no development in her body languag nor movement and its honestly a bit of a shame she got complacent

Why do I feel like the new years rebound for this song is going to be crazy 

39 minutes ago, bearman said:

The Smashing Season snippet sounds good. 

I would like to hear the snippet! I can’t find it. 

6 hours ago, Geraldine said:

How the **** couldnt ava pull it off?? she is a much bigger vocalist than dua and D&D is better than houdini

 

 

Ava Max music is garbage, her music is a recycling of FN lmao.

1 hour ago, bearman said:

The Smashing Season snippet sounds good. 

where can i listen to it? 

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Im gonna say sth I probably get a bit of hate for, but: I'm a bit disappointed Dua hasn't worked more on her dancing.

Shes the typical artist who heard sth wasnt good, worked on it, got praise for the improvement, and then stopped trainign and got satisfied.

Theres no development in her body languag nor movement and its honestly a bit of a shame she got complacent

Why do people care so much about stuff like this? last time I checked, people listen to an artist because they like the music. Male artists never get **** for not being dancers, smells like sexism to me.