1 minute ago, frankvert said:

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That performance would've been the final act of betrayal before the fatal blow (loved the juxtaposition between fantasy and reality there, btw). Think it would've worked beautifully and drove home Lee's insanity.
 

Like my point is if it's implied via vague dialogue and plot developments, why not go for the jugular? It's the same end result but a more entertaining and satisfying journey getting there. 

 

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My biggest problem with the first movie is that they would show something then explain it then show it again.

 

I feel like they made a better mix here where you know exactly what to take away from events but they don't beat you over the head with the intended reading of what's real vs what's fake.

 

There's a song Joaquin sings in the credits that sounded really good - can't wait for soundtrack on Friday  

So is she at the live recording thing?

what are they recording anyway?

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My biggest problem with the first movie is that they would show something then explain it then show it again.

 

I feel like they made a better mix here where you know exactly what to take away from events but they don't beat you over the head with the intended reading of what's real vs what's fake.

 

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Ehh I was lowkey SHOOK by Zazie's plot twist in the first Joker. In FAD, Joker and Harley were obviously never on a variety show in any instance of reality.  Same with the waltz and courtroom performance. BTW, where was the performance on the outside of the court steps in the flower dress? How did THAT not even make it in when it was in multiple trailers? 

 

The only comparable plot twist moment here is the cut to the final scene, which I don't think a showy performance just before (still starting off the same way it did, just growing to something more maniacal) would take away from that. 
 

it's really the editing that's the main problem for me. Especially because we know what was filmed outside. 

 

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Tbh, it's so great to keep seeing Gaga being praised to high heavens even though a lot of reviews are dragging the movie to the pits. yes gaga, yes talent 

well, at least now we know why 

she couldn't put DWAS on Harlequin without ruining the ending of the movie

 

 

Anyway, idk if there's any premieres left, but no matter how mixed the reviews are, at least this time we didn't get any bad looks in and out of the red carpet. Gaga, Sarah, Frederic and Tom/Sandra really served this time around

 

 

Will there be a NY premiere? 

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Anyway, idk if there's any premieres left, but no matter how mixed the reviews are, at least this time we didn't get any bad looks in and out of the red carpet. Gaga, Sarah, Frederic and Tom/Sandra really served this time around

 

 

Fantastic 

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BTW, where was the performance on the outside of the court steps in the flower dress? How did THAT not even make it in when it was in multiple trailers? 

 

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THAT not being in the final cut gagged me, I was upset that didn't make it and they only showed them at the top of the stairs for a moment before moving on to the next musical sequence  It was even in that final small trailer where we got the angle of them dancing up and down. That whole tap dancing gone to waste

 

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well, at least now we know why 

 

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she couldn't put DWAS on Harlequin without ruining the ending of the movie

 

 

 

Just now, Miracle said:

Anyway, idk if there's any premieres left, but no matter how mixed the reviews are, at least this time we didn't get any bad looks in and out of the red carpet. Gaga, Sarah, Frederic and Tom/Sandra really served this time around

 

 

vs

 

 

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People are REALLY panning the ending.

 

Oh they added lyrics for Harlequin on Spotify 

Never done before vocals, uh? 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Namiskine said:

Never done before vocals, uh? 

 

 

She seems a lot more excited about LG7 compared to Joanne and Chromatica tbh. 

4 minutes ago, Namiskine said:

Never done before vocals, uh? 

 

 

Maybe guturals like in Abracadabra?

 

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People are REALLY panning the ending.

 

Am I the only one who thought it was appropriate for the kind of movie and message it was trying to convey?

Oh and the beginning!

 

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I thought it was cool! I knew it was starting with an animation but I didn't know it was gonna be all that. The thing with the shadow made it clear that this was the angle the film (or at least the defense team) was going to try 

 

4 minutes ago, opbranden said:

Am I the only one who thought it was appropriate for the kind of movie and message it was trying to convey?

It definitely was appropriate. For me, the movie just couldn't justify that payoff but that was the most logical ending maybe short of

 

Lee killing him herself

 

but that would have required a much more interesting movie from the outset!

so.. when are we learning more about what happened at the live taping 

 

Idk man. Sales by me are fine. Only way this is going down is if it plays like an MCU title. $9M+ for now

 

 

via BOT

 

Looks like we're back again for now

 

 

 

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So the secret thing hasn't ended yet? I wonder if the fans could share anything or if there's NDA or something 

when did the LA thing start? 8 pm?