25 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Not me typing out a swissman level-post only to get an ad and have it clear it completely.  

 

My point, summarized.... most my non-Hive friends don't really like Cowboy Carter and they like Beyonce. It's not the sort of album the GP will get into unless she invites them into its world. One only needs look at the online adoration she got during RWT to see how much she benefits from the slightest exposure. 

 

Renaissance is undeniable fun. CC can kinda slog for people who only have so much time a day to listen to music. 

I feel like my friends like CC more than Renaissance. Even the biggest Bey haters have been stanning "honey honey…" 

The problem is you have to keep the album interest up and grab new listeners. Besides stans, people quickly move on from albums to check out the new ones among other things 

This is going to sound far fetched, but it would NOT shock me if The Carters got clocked for some money laundering scheme in the future. 

 

It is not lost on me how many "business ventures" come and go under her/their name that we stop hearing about within a year or two.

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

11 minutes ago, Punch said:

And why so ? 

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

You totally lost me here ....what !?  " Avant -garde " music ....ok so with your expertise what type of Music should she release ???

Yes, tbh CC is way more GP-friendly than Renaissance. Ren is a kind of a niche album. Actually just imagining all those women bopping to 2MW, Levii's and Jolene clicking play on Renaissance and hearing "these motherfuckers..." is funny. 

 

Tbh CC could have been IASF-lite : Bodyguard, Levii's, Tyrant, Daughter, 2H2H... There's potential there, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

Even performances of non singles like PROTECTOR, Daughter, Ya Ya could vastly increase the interest in the album. 

3 minutes ago, Punch said:

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

Her label put in work, not only was the album iconic (as the follow up to CTRL), but she was so visible and got new fans as the years went on. 

 

She did high profile collabs outside of her own singles.

 

Six singles were released between 2020 and 2023 to promote SOS, five of which were top-ten hits on the US Billboard Hot 100.

7 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

bc it's simply not the type of music people who like bey wanna hear, that was clear since the "ACT II is country" rumors started and everyone said we don't want it… just look at how most of y'all talk about lemonade 

 

y'all say the album is already forgotten but not bc of its quality (and i somewhat agree) but what is it then ? cause fact is no one's streaming the album, lemonade is forgotten and ren will be forgotten soon as well, no matter how you spin it. ofc no one can deny the sheer unmatched quality of her 2010s-2020s output but WHY do people lose interest after a few weeks and completely forget the work after a couple years ? more singles, award show performances and visuals didn't save lemonade from being forgotten either. is it simply bey is too big for the type of "avant-garde" music she makes now but not small enough to be seen as an indie alt artist ? or is it something else ? 

 

the hive has been all talk and no action for over a decade now and we're one of the most cult minded fan bases of them all, so all of that surely doesn't help. we're the only fanbase where you constantly hear or read "i love [insert album name] and it's her best album but i never listen to it" like why is that ? i feel like there's a huge problem in both the fanbase and bey's career that has been festering for years but no one wants to address it or even admit it exists 

She just came off the biggest Tour of any Black Artist ever and second highest ( for a period of time the 1. Highest ) overall female tour . SHe snatched another Nr.1 Hit song 25 years into her career. She is selling more and outstreaming ALL of her peers from the 90s/2000s.

 

I understand the fustration to an extend but what we not gonna do is picture like B has a failed career or is a flop .

You will bite your A** in 10 years when she is still talked about and half these chart topping artists are forgotten . Relax and breathe

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8 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

This is going to sound far fetched, but it would NOT shock me if The Carters got clocked for some money laundering scheme in the future. 

 

It is not lost on me how many "business ventures" come and go under her/their name that we stop hearing about within a year or two.

Girl... Now what is this? 

It's not cute to accuse people without proof. 

3 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Yes, tbh CC is way more GP-friendly than Renaissance. Ren is a kind of a niche album. Actually just imagining all those women bopping to 2MW, Levii's and Jolene clicking play on Renaissance and hearing "these motherfuckers..." is funny. 

 

Tbh CC could have been IASF-lite : Bodyguard, Levii's, Tyrant, Daughter, 2H2H... There's potential there, she just doesn't know what to do with it.

Even performances of non singles like PROTECTOR, Daughter, Ya Ya could vastly increase the interest in the album. 

Yh performances would have been nice just one or 2 .

9 minutes ago, Punch said:

Just a Question cause i dont follow SZA too much . What made her Album so succesfull - stable and still doing great in streams !?

sza's a streaming force, her debut album never left the chart.. and SOS is a good commercial album with something for everybody. She had a lot of songs go viral on titkok and 2 super successful post album singles (Kill Bill and Snooze). 

50 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

but the difference is, this album simply isn't as great as Ren. yes i love the album, we all love the album (except @Mitsouko ) and we can continue pretending that it is the best thing since sliced bread but it's just not as great as Ren, and certainly can't survive off of nothing like Ren did.

 

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release… that's why renaissance, despite being a a boring, uneventful era as well, wasn't as unbearable, simply due to the fact that the album was a lot more self sufficient than CC… that coupled with the hope of visuals and "something will happen soon" kept us afloat until the tour arrived but now we don't even have that. all we have this time is a front loaded album that 99% of us are bored of and a botched "trilogy project" that goes nowhere 

eh i disagree here. i still think CC as a whole is a better album. renaissance is more marketable though. it's dance music and dance music is much more within the realm of beyoncé the superstar. also she marketed to gays and we all know the gays are VERY loyal.

 

no one is really here for her being a country music artist. its not a good commercial sell for beyoncé's brand. but the research and attention to detail in CC makes it her best body of work since lemonade. its probably why she knew she had to put renaissance out first to anchor the entire project.

6 minutes ago, Punch said:

You totally lost me here ....what !?  " Avant -garde " music ....ok so with your expertise what type of Music should she release ???

3 minutes ago, Punch said:

She just came off the biggest Tour of any Black Artist ever and second highest ( for a period of time the 1. Highest ) overall female tour . SHe snatched another Nr.1 Hit song 25 years into her career. She is selling more and outstreaming ALL of her peers from the 90s/2000s.

 

I understand the fustration to an extend but what we not gonna do is picture like B has a failed career or is a flop .

You will bite your A** in 10 years when she is still talked about and half these chart topping artists are forgotten . Relax and breathe

ijbol you didn't understand one bit of what i was saying, but congrats on demonstrating the cult mind i was talking about 

Just now, ReneighIsHere said:

sza's a streaming force, her debut album never left the chart.. and SOS is a good commercial album with something for everybody. She had a lot of songs go viral on titkok and 2 super successful post album singles (Kill Bill and Snooze). 

her singles always take off after a while even if she doesn't do **** to promote them.. for example saturn dropped as a surpise release and was falling after the first week, but then tiktok picked it up and went super viral and now it's getting 3.8M daily even tho it's not really a commercial song

Hearing TXH on the radio right now, God this song is absolutely cringe 🤣🤣🤣To those that said it was better than BMS, God bless you because the life you're living must be ****** terrible

8 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

ijbol you didn't understand one bit of what i was saying, but congrats on demonstrating the cult mind i was talking about 

I totally "Understood" what you said but what is the " Problem " outside of her not promoting (  which i get can be annoying and im also slightly irked by her not giving any attention to the Album in one way or the other ) but you wrote so much but you didnt "mention " the "Big Problem" .... !?

 

 

Also :

 

What Type of Music / or Album should she release/ shouldve released without " Avant Garde " Music

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Punch

I loved Renaissance, not from the first listen, but something drew me back. There was just something magnetic about that album. For Me Cowboy Carter pales in comparison. I would go as far as saying that for the first time ever, I don't like how Beyonce sounds on an album. 
 

I adored Daddy's Lessons and the first two singles of this album, but to me, the rest of the album is not only too long for absolutely no reason, it's just also less interesting overall, although its purpose is important.

1 minute ago, yonsé said:

eh i disagree here. i still think CC as a whole is a better album. renaissance is more marketable though. it's dance music and dance music is much more within the realm of beyoncé the superstar. also she marketed to gays and we all know the gays are VERY loyal.

 

no one is really here for her being a country music artist. its not a good commercial sell for beyoncé's brand. but the research and attention to detail in CC makes it her best body of work since lemonade. its probably why she knew she had to put renaissance out first to anchor the entire project.

oh make no mistake CC is easily top 2, no matter which album you put at #1. the question is just why let an album that was created in a genre you already know isn't your fan base's cup of tea rot while you ignore it ? and why are even the fans already bored of it despite its quality ? cause even with ren being the more marketable dancey album it still left the charts today, barely a year and a half after its release… like there has to be something going on here 

6 minutes ago, Punch said:

I totally "Understood" what you said but what is the " Problem " outside of her not promoting (  which i get can be annoying and im also slightly irked by her not giving any attention to the Album in one way or the other ) but you wrote so much but you didnt "mention " the "Big Problem" .... !?

i don't know what the problem is, it's just painfully clear atp that there is one, that's literally what i'm asking about throughout my post. if i had an answer i wouldn't be asking questions 

Not the "will Beyoncé's music be remembered" conversations 27 years in. There is soooo much to drag Beyoncé for. That aint it.

We need a BJORK inspired album full of IM THAT GIRLLL with weird visuals…. Then she can transition into a flopped indie has-been/Legend era! 

There are a lot of people who may be more successful than her numbers wise (at this time, not overall) but will they be remembered the way she is? I don't think so.

 

Plenty of artists have had huge numbers and peaks only to fade into what is essentially irrelevancy. 

My bigger issue is with artist who deem sth their "most favorite album" and then let it rot. Thats just bs to me

1 hour ago, Mitsouko said:

Don't forget @AxelFox 

No I love the album

 

 

(but I cut almost half of it from the tracklist in my library so yeah)

It makes me sad to see all the negative takes about the album, just because it's so good, and you can tell she worked really hard on it, despite her carelessness after release (at least to our eyes).  She appears to be flippant about her music, so it's easy for some of us to feel that way too, but I really don't think her actions are an accurate reflection of her feelings.  She probably feels like she's worked really hard on it, considering there is a lot we haven't seen. 

 

She really needs to find a good balance between keeping her secrecy, and including her fans.