1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Because what everyone actually admits to without saying it out loud is: NONE of us are hooked on CC nor the era nor the trilogy thing anymore.

So no one is surprised

i said this the minute CC came out, the interest in this album wouldn't last more than a couple weeks and that a lot of people were fake gagging, some got mad at me and now look…  

 

and people losing interest in the trilogy comes to no one's surprise cause how can anyone stay invested when we a) don't even know the reason or purpose of this trilogy 2 years into it b) there's 0 content, nothing happening and nothing tying the albums together (other than fugly cowboy hats and party city outfits) and c) she single handlely managed to turn what could've been one of the biggest and boldest moments in modern pop culture into a boring, uneventful chore to get through

 

can't even say it's laughable anymore cause it's honestly just sad to witness atp 

7 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said:

won't his new album be released soon? welp

 

 

She has a remarkable career because of her talent and charisma, but it's clear no one can streamline her business. Like a lot of creatives, she has an odd turn of mind and it's not suited to running a business. I've worked for a creative before and it was a nightmare because there's so little consistency and things change every few days. 

 

It's a double edged sword because it's what makes her such a phenomenal artist but her need to control everything makes the execution so poor. I'm so glad we got late additions like Ya Ya, but how stressful must that have been for her employees. 

 

I'm starting to think Nadia has NO idea when the visual is coming out, either. Imagine how frustrating.

what I'm NOT gonna do is stan a haircare line. like, congrats to all the people who worked behind the scenes on developing those products, but what did Beyoncé do for it, realistically? Mama Tina was more involved, probably.

 

yes, it is astonishing that the album is below 8M streams already. no surprise at her monthly listener number crashing -- TEXAS isn't smashing anymore and the album is forgotten. who's supposed to be streaming it, exactly? no video no performance no tour no promo. not even beencorny.com has a direct link to stream the album 

 

9 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i said this the minute CC came out, the interest in this album wouldn't last more than a couple weeks and that a lot of people were fake gagging, some got mad at me and now look…  

 

and people losing interest in the trilogy comes to no one's surprise cause how can anyone stay invested when we a) don't even know the reason or purpose of this trilogy 2 years into it b) there's 0 content, nothing happening and nothing tying the albums together (other than fugly cowboy hats and party city outfits) and c) she single handlely managed to turn what could've been one of the biggest and boldest moments in modern pop culture into a boring, uneventful chore to get through

 

can't even say it's laughable anymore cause it's honestly just sad to witness atp 

Watch someone take Beys idea, do it all in a matter of 2-2.5 years and absolutely smash with a trilogy like this

 

6 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

She has a remarkable career because of her talent and charisma, but it's clear no one can streamline her business. Like a lot of creatives, she has an odd turn of mind and it's not suited to running a business. I've worked for a creative before and it was a nightmare because there's so little consistency and things change every few days. 

 

It's a double edged sword because it's what makes her such a phenomenal artist but her need to control everything makes the execution so poor. I'm so glad we got late additions like Ya Ya, but how stressful must that have been for her employees. 

 

I'm starting to think Nadia has NO idea when the visual is coming out, either. Imagine how frustrating.

Shes not only a creative, she also has a crazy inflated ego and concept of self-importance

9 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Shes not only a creative, she also has a crazy inflated ego and concept of self-importance

I won't argue she's normal because there's no way she and Jay are still living in the realm of reality with all the money and power they have, but I think for her status she's pretty lowkey. 

 

I believe she (correctly) thinks she's proven herself and has nothing else to prove. It's basically the 2013 meme "You ******* better dance to this old ****" except updated to "You ******* are lucky to still be getting music" 

1 hour ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

she most certainly is 

 

i don't understand how this isn't highly embarrassing to everyone in here ? bootlickers and parkwood themselves included 

 

I don't think it's undisputed that it's embarrassing how much of a fall it's taken. I just think there's no point to continue harping on the obvious; it's all on her. We can spew our rightful frustrations without the claim of fake praising the album just cause it's tumbling in streams. Was it fake gagging for Renaissance even though it was in pretty much the same position with only Cuff It keeping it afloat (and let's not act like the same meltdowns weren't exhausted during that "era"). I'm not gonna denounce the album's quality just cause of her carelessness. 

I'm personally still gagging at many songs from CC. 

 

American Requiem is a career highlight!!! 

 

Also, after many-many listens I have decided (imo) that the just for fun interlude should've been for Riverdance and that desert eagle and oh Louisiana should've been chopped. 

 

I'm kinda over her not caring for her projects and the nonsense we suffer in the name of an "era". For me, this trilogy is her retirement - as much as possible- from being a celebrity and public persona and pop star. She will continue to release art, have business projects, and show up for helping the Carter kids and daddy with their ventures. 

 

I'm fine with it. It is what it is and this is what she seems to want. It'll always suck as a fan to not see such incredible art more publicly appreciated for longer ... But... It's fine. 

If she's going to say bull**** like "It is a chance again to be listeners and not viewers" and "We are going to take our time and enjoy the music" as excuses for not performing it or promoting it or talking about it or releasing visuals well then she can keep her hotel hallway photoshoots to herself. Pick a lane, girlie. If according to her we can watch her tours and performances "in our mind" then trust we can see her blank stare presidential suite pics in our mind too. Don't even bother

 

Her streams collapsing is natural, it makes sense, she doesn't know how to hold attention and make her music talk bar the first few weeks. Her rollouts are messy, she can't do an era to save her life, can't correctly release physicals, doesn't release videos, doesn't talk about the music she makes, doesn't bring us behind the scenes to see the process,  doesn't do performances unless it's for a homophobic country who gave her a check, doesn't put her tours on streaming anymore, can't even successful release singles, can't be bothered to send singles to radio even when stans beg, almost nothing happened during the Renaissance's era, Cuff It saved it from being a complete front loaded under performance and still it took her an eternity to react, so much that Columbia had to step in. Nothing is happening this era at all. She can't even timely release singles and show passion for her work. 

 

And frankly does she even love the music she's been releasing since Lem!? Because she goes out of her way to make it flop or to limit its exposure and I wonder if the music itself will be remembered. People will remember the big moves done first weeks but looking at her streams and comparing between her own albums, Renaissance doing less than 2M so soon is tragic, Lemonade barely doing 500k, some songs do the double of that and DIL seems to be her most streamed album. Is her music from the last decade really going to be remembered? 

 

Great music is fantastic but that's not all, it has never been al. Or else none of us would have been stanning her during DIL or IASF. 

But anyway 2H2H and Tyrant are diamonds. I come back mostly to save them on the survivor rate. 

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by BnPac

5 minutes ago, Beyle Street said:

I don't think it's undisputed that it's embarrassing how much of a fall it's taken. I just think there's no point to continue harping on the obvious; it's all on her. We can spew our rightful frustrations without the claim of fake praising the album just cause it's tumbling in streams. Was it fake gagging for Renaissance even though it was in pretty much the same position with only Cuff It keeping it afloat (and let's not act like the same meltdowns weren't exhausted during that "era"). I'm not gonna denounce the album's quality just cause of her carelessness. 

but the difference is, this album simply isn't as great as Ren. yes i love the album, we all love the album (except @Mitsouko ) and we can continue pretending that it is the best thing since sliced bread but it's just not as great as Ren, and certainly can't survive off of nothing like Ren did.

 

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release… that's why renaissance, despite being a a boring, uneventful era as well, wasn't as unbearable, simply due to the fact that the album was a lot more self sufficient than CC… that coupled with the hope of visuals and "something will happen soon" kept us afloat until the tour arrived but now we don't even have that. all we have this time is a front loaded album that 99% of us are bored of and a botched "trilogy project" that goes nowhere 

Just now, ScorpiosGroove said:

we all love the album (except @Mitsouko )

Don't forget @AxelFox 

this album is the LEMONADE to Renny's Self-Titled.

 

from an academic perspective, Lemonade and Cowboy Carter are the superior albums. but Self-Titled and Renny have the bops, more listener-friendly, less self-indulgent.

Not me typing out a swissman level-post only to get an ad and have it clear it completely.  

 

My point, summarized.... most my non-Hive friends don't really like Cowboy Carter and they like Beyonce. It's not the sort of album the GP will get into unless she invites them into its world. One only needs look at the online adoration she got during RWT to see how much she benefits from the slightest exposure. 

 

Renaissance is undeniable fun. CC can kinda slog for people who only have so much time a day to listen to music. 

1 hour ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i said this the minute CC came out, the interest in this album wouldn't last more than a couple weeks and that a lot of people were fake gagging, some got mad at me and now look…  

 

and people losing interest in the trilogy comes to no one's surprise cause how can anyone stay invested when we a) don't even know the reason or purpose of this trilogy 2 years into it b) there's 0 content, nothing happening and nothing tying the albums together (other than fugly cowboy hats and party city outfits) and c) she single handlely managed to turn what could've been one of the biggest and boldest moments in modern pop culture into a boring, uneventful chore to get through

 

can't even say it's laughable anymore cause it's honestly just sad to witness atp 

And why so ? 

9 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

but the difference is, this album simply isn't as great as Ren. yes i love the album, we all love the album (except @Mitsouko ) and we can continue pretending that it is the best thing since sliced bread but it's just not as great as Ren, and certainly can't survive off of nothing like Ren did.

 

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release… that's why renaissance, despite being a a boring, uneventful era as well, wasn't as unbearable, simply due to the fact that the album was a lot more self sufficient than CC… that coupled with the hope of visuals and "something will happen soon" kept us afloat until the tour arrived but now we don't even have that. all we have this time is a front loaded album that 99% of us are bored of and a botched "trilogy project" that goes nowhere 

But that's what I'm saying. If Renaissance was performing the exact same way (and it was pretty close to which is why we all say Cuff It was saving grace), would we say "well, if it was as great as critics/Hive says, why isn't it performing much better after a month?". I'm not even one of those "who cares about the numbers" Hive but you should never judge quality by how much it spreads commercially and this goes for any type of entertainment medium. I would never go from saying "this film/show is excellent" and then look at the low views/box office and then say "Well, it's actually not great since it's sliding or a non-starter". That's never a good way to look at things. You can love Renaissance more (as do I) without doing all of that 

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Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Beyle Street

12 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

if it were as great as everyone says it is it wouldn't be forgotten one month after release…

That's not a measure on quality though or else it would mean all her latest albums are bad because tbh all their streams are the pits. CC is a good album and we genuinely love it. 

 

What makes CC a bit embarrassing is that she had 76M streams and good streams first week so people were really interested, a couple of songs resonated too but she doesn't know how to keep the momentum going or hold interest. There's also no Alien Superstar in CC to seize people's attention and not let go for a long time without any help. 

Imma about to change my decade long AVI to BJORK's…. I can't stand her anymore 

 

CC is still top 2 on ha discography so ugh what a hag I hate ha! 

Edited May 7, 20242 yr by Kh-Loud

10 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

Some artists perform for 1.6 million people for free (and millions more via live television broadcast) in a country where they've been beloved for decades and some artists perform for the elite at an invite-only ribbon-cutting of a luxury hotel in a slave-built city-state

 

They dont want to admit it, she has become problematic. She also worked with Travis Scott too, Jay's influence has always been trash on Bey. He's the reason she went to TIDAL and tried to make that TRASH happen too.

39 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Watch someone take Beys idea, do it all in a matter of 2-2.5 years and absolutely smash with a trilogy like this

 

that someone will be a certain stiff lady and we'll have to hear about what a genius master move her trilogy album idea was 

Popularity should never be seen as a measurements for quality.

 

Social Medias effect on society as a whole and thus also on the music industry cannot be overstated: Ones success does not depend on quality, but more so on being able to be capture attention by the public. We are so overstimulated that the ones that truly smash are the ones that manage to capture our attention.

Team Bey is AMAZING at creating a great rollout and thus gaining peoples attention in the first week, which always shows that the people are here for new Bey, however they never seize the moment to create a longlasting impact on peoples attention. Bey comes and goes and unfortunately the span between coming and going gets shorter every release

1 hour ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Watch someone take Beys idea, do it all in a matter of 2-2.5 years and absolutely smash with a trilogy like this

 

MJ released HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I in 1995, 4 years after Dangerous (a global smash) and also went on the biggest tour of his career.

 

Go see what happened after, no Book 2, he released a remix album and then of course it was downhill from there.