10 minutes ago, swissman said:

You're equating finding a person's personal struggles iconic to that which amounts to a business choice that still amounted to moments we would like to look back at.

 

As far as looking back, I really doubt that in the future music historians will look back at this era with hate for the lack of visuals, but moreso a neutral if not fond mentioning of the fact that this era very notably didn't have visuals, with discussion about how this differs from the majority of her career the decade prior.

 

What I'm saying is that the lack of visuals is an iconic factor to this era, the lack of which can say something about both her power as an artist and her desire to eschew expectations (even ones she put upon herself). Like ST  did for the digital era, it exemplifies the possibilities of the era it was released into, perhaps like no other work. As much as we can say "you don't even need visuals in the streaming era", who else has so totally stuck to this and proved that correct? Who really has been more "iconic" for not releasing any music videos?

Drake

Edited December 11, 20232 yr by Kristie Kuwa

7 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

last page is serving hive who gagged at those vomit colored “where’s the fwt dvd” shirts and those who (rightfully) found them tacky & disrespectful

 

happy to be on the RIGHT side of history 

If you are implying I enjoyed those shirts, I absolutely did not, moreso for their ugliness than for their content.

1 minute ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

There are so many iconic things about Bey:

 

- All female Band

- lead singer of DC aka one of the biggest girlgroups in history

- Beychella

- Single Ladies

- ST release

- Lemonade era ("Beyonce is ACTUALLY black")

Etc

You know what else is iconic? Her use of visual albums. And thus I think, by extension, when she does NOT release one, that is by association and in the conversation about her career, an iconic circumstance that is both worthy of discussion and holds implications that go beyond just "we don't have visuals."

9 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Drake

Which of his albums has not had a music video? And have you really heard people talking or caring about Drake not dropping visuals? Did his fans routinely make signs that say "WHERE ARE THE VISUALS?" He may have a lot of successful songs without videos, but I'm talking about someone exemplifying the act of not having visuals at all and still having success.

 

Edited December 11, 20232 yr by swissman

I honestly don’t even want the visuals AT THIS POINT. Why?

 

There are no visuals.

 

There is no Act II.

 

 

i been over the visuals since July 29, 2023.

She didn't avoid putting out visuals to prove a point, or to serve a message.  She worked on them, teased them for ages, and didn't release them.  It served nothing impactful

 

Okay anyway sorry for calling the lack of visuals iconic. You're right. It's totally NOT a notable aspect of this era and absolutely NO ONE has noticed or mentioned it before...and the success she has had despite not enacting literally the most iconic part of her album rollouts for the last decade is of no consequence and can provide no context whatsoever.

15 minutes ago, Devin said:

 

NOW THIS IS ICONIC!!!!!!!

9 minutes ago, swissman said:

NOW THIS IS ICONIC!!!!!!!

i thought it was finna be Bubbling Under. 

48 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

last page is serving hive who gagged at those vomit colored “where’s the fwt dvd” shirts and those who (rightfully) found them tacky & disrespectful

 

happy to be on the RIGHT side of history 

THIS!! 

 

It was never funny. 

My House shouldve been on RENA, I can literally see her opening ANY tour with that song, its soooooooo good!

53 minutes ago, Devin said:

 

Who they came to see? ME!

54 minutes ago, swissman said:

If you are implying I enjoyed those shirts, I absolutely did not, moreso for their ugliness than for their content.

i wasn’t implying you enjoyed them, i was merely drawing parallels between your statement regarding the lack of visuals being iconic and twitter hives, such as that Danny person, who eat up anything parkwood serves them. lighthearted banter if you will !

 

we agree on those shirts being very hideous, whoever was responsible for that should’ve been thrown in the beysment 

MY HOUSE would surely have debuted Top 40 if not for xmas songs right?

excluding Xmas freeze prob chart in top 30.

If 98-OUT can get a music video then let’s keep that energy for 57-??? chop chop Giselle at least give us one visual for this era

 

Regardless of whether the absence of music videos is iconic (), regardless of whether you care about ever getting them, you have to be quite unserious if you think that in the future any diehard fan of Beyonce will be looking upon their absence with fondness or admiration

I will say I am a tad irritated at the obvious PURE/HONEY video with the green hair that we cant see.

y’all noticed those dramatic tweets everyone’s tweeting today ? "the media’s trying to pull a MJ on Bey" and stuff like that  

 

i do see the switch up since she’s the new media darling tho, the articles are getting a little too brave lately (ESPECIALLY variety) but we aren’t at the "Beyoncé sleeps with children" level yet bffr 

26 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

Regardless of whether the absence of music videos is iconic (), regardless of whether you care about ever getting them, you have to be quite unserious if you think that in the future any diehard fan of Beyonce will be looking upon their absence with fondness or admiration

Unless I forgot an instance, I don't think I said a fan would find it "admirable" nor look at it with "fondness".

I was speaking about music historians talking about the situation neutrally (adding "if not fondly", since people tend to nostalgize bold choices) because they would likely not insert their personal vendettas into the discussion, and would presumably contextualize her choices within the scope of her career. You cannot deny that discussing the lack of visuals of the era certainly has a rightful and perhaps important place in the discussion of the era itself, both historically and contextually.

 

I really don't want to keep talking about this any further, as I'm having to repeat myself, but I also don't enjoy being misquoted.

 

 

Edited December 11, 20232 yr by swissman

4 minutes ago, swissman said:

Unless I forgot an instance, I don't think I said a fan would find it "admirable" nor look at it with "fondness".

I was speaking about music historians talking about the situation neutrally (adding "if not fondly", since people tend to nostalgize bold choices) because they would likely not insert their personal vendettas into the discussion, and would presumably contextualize her choices within the scope of her career. You cannot deny that discussing the lack of visuals of the era certainly has a rightful and perhaps important place in the discussion of the era itself, both historically and contextually.

 

I really don't want to keep talking about this any further, as I'm having to repeat myself, but I don't also enjoy being misquoted.

 

 

I wasn't directing my comment at you, because I know you don't think that. It was more toward the delusional twitter hive. Sorry if it sounded that way.

 

This is an interesting discussion on the lack of visuals for this frustrating era. It leads me to wonder if something can be both traumatic and iconic?

 

Side note: when did Variety become such a trash publication? 

6 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

I wasn't directing my comment at you, because I know you don't think that. It was more toward the delusional twitter hive. Sorry if it sounded that way.

 

It's fine. It's just the second time this has happened today where someone has referenced my opinions second-hand and added a context or an implication I was in no way arguing.

 

 

...

 

 

Anyway, I truly don't wish to go back-and-forth so much so I will drop the topic, even more people come downvoting me saying I find it iconic that we don't have visuals yet the era is a success. I understand it's a touchy subject that everyone has not been able to let go of so easily, so I'll just leave it at that.