1 minute ago, swissman said:

I'm sorry but having no visuals is beyond iconic at this point. The fact that she's THE visual album girl and didn't do so but still got a #1 hit, #1 album #1 tour #1 film...  it says a lot.

Swiss, u are a precious lil stan, but u have to be a bit rational here: in order for sth to be iconic, people need to care first. Most people couldnt care less about the fact that theres no Videos attached to the songs (especially not in.the streaming era). 

Most people also didn't care about the film as seen by the numbers which are driven by Hive members. GP doesnt care

9 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Swiss, u are a precious lil stan, but u have to be a bit rational here: in order for sth to be iconic, people need to care first. Most people couldnt care less about the fact that theres no Videos attached to the songs (especially not in.the streaming era). 

Most people also didn't care about the film as seen by the numbers which are driven by Hive members. GP doesnt care

To be fair, nobody was expecting the GP to care about the film. 

58 minutes ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

The best documentary category was discontinued before Bey was even born. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Globe_Award_for_Best_Documentary_Film

 

what exactly would be waiting on? 

Idk Best Musical?

29 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

it would be iconic if she never teased it

No way, teasing it made it more iconic because it highlights the very act of not releasing visuals.

 

Us knowing with considerable "proof" (ie. not just a mention in a press release) that they exist makes it that much more impactful that she has willingly withheld them, that she felt she could be better or just as fine without them. it's not just a "I guess we actually don't need to create visuals this time around" it's a "we have visuals but we actually don't even need them."

 

27 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Swiss, u are a precious lil stan, but u have to be a bit rational here: in order for sth to be iconic, people need to care first. Most people couldnt care less about the fact that theres no Videos attached to the songs (especially not in.the streaming era). 

Most people also didn't care about the film as seen by the numbers which are driven by Hive members. GP doesnt care

Things can be iconic in their own right though. There's tons of iconic things within sub-cultures that mainstream society doesn't care about.

 

Julius is an iconic part of Beyoncé's world. Does that mean he's not iconic to us simply because the GP don't know him? Or even the name "Reneigh", it's iconic to us, but literally no one else cares. "Iconic" is overused, but here it is correct. Not having visuals is one of THE iconic aspects of this era, like it or not, Hive-known or GP-known or not.

 

Perhaps you thought I was saying "everyone in the world is waiting for the visuals". I said it's iconic that she has not released visuals and still had such success which is to say: after establishing visual albums as her way, and after decades of music videos being THE way popstars promoted their work (and certainly so for Beyoncé's generation), actively releasing NONE is ICONIC as it is THE era that proves videos (and by extension promo) are not necessarily needed if the music is great. There have been #1s without videos. But how many have also come from an album cycle where absolutely no videos were released? This is really my point. That she's doing something rare ... no videos, yet clear success.

 

And within the hive people do care about the visuals, or we would not be having nearly the exact same conversations about them 1.5 years later.

 

You can call me a precious stan, but that doesn't stop me from having a point and no amount of pointing to the film's numbers will change that, as clearly a tour film is niche content catered specifically and solely to Beyoncé fans.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Draper. said:

To be fair, nobody was expecting the GP to care about the film. 

I'd even argue the GP didn't really care for T*ylor's either...she just has a much larger and more dedicated (and younger) fanbase than Beyoncé, as well as having done more/better promo for her film. I mean how many people bought tickets for her movie on a whim, just because they were curious and NOT because they are a fan of Taylor's music? Concert films are not the same as regular movies. It's about fandoms first and foremost.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, swissman said:

No way, teasing it made it more iconic because it highlights the very act of not releasing visuals.

 

Us knowing with considerable "proof" (ie. not just a mention in a press release) that they exist makes it that much more impactful that she has willingly withheld them, that she felt she could be better or just as fine without them. it's not just a "I guess we actually don't need to create visuals this time around" it's a "we have visuals but we actually don't even need them."

 

Things can be iconic in their own right though. There's tons of iconic things within sub-cultures that mainstream society doesn't care about.

 

Julius is an iconic part of Beyoncé's world. Does that mean he's not iconic to us simply because the GP don't know him? Or even the name "Reneigh", it's iconic to us, but literally no one else cares. "Iconic" is overused, but here it is correct. Not having visuals is one of THE iconic aspects of this era, like it or not, Hive-known or GP-known or not.

 

Perhaps you thought I was saying "everyone in the world is waiting for the visuals". I said it's iconic that she has not released visuals and still had such success which is to say: after establishing visual albums as her way, and after decades of music videos being THE way popstars promoted their work (and certainly so for Beyoncé's generation), actively releasing NONE is ICONIC as it is THE era that proves videos (and by extension promo) are not necessarily needed if the music is great. There have been #1s without videos. But how many have also come from an album cycle where absolutely no videos were released? This is really my point. That she's doing something rare ... no videos, yet clear success.

 

And within the hive people do care about the visuals, or we would not be having nearly the exact same conversations about them 1.5 years later.

 

You can call me a precious stan, but that doesn't stop me from having a point and no amount of pointing to the film's numbers will change that, as clearly a tour film is niche content catered specifically and solely to Beyoncé fans.

 

 

I disagree, considering Julius iconic is serving delusional.

If we want Beys legacy to be solid, we cannot and shouldnt consider every little thing she does or doesnt "iconic". It literally invalidates the moments and things that are truly iconic about Bey

44 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I pity those who hope for visuals at this point. Probably the same people who still hope for FWT DVD. Pitiful

i pity those waiting for ACT II / a trilogy even more  

 

like at least the visuals have been referenced multiple times this year, by her, the tour, shitwood, random journalists and celebs… the trilogy nonsense was mentioned once a year & a half ago and hasn’t been heard of since 

37 minutes ago, swissman said:

I'm sorry but having no visuals is beyond iconic at this point. The fact that she's THE visual album girl and didn't do so but still got a #1 hit, #1 album #1 tour #1 film...  it says a lot.

this must be the type of **** Yvette whispers into her ear every night to make her oftentimes stupid decisions seem like wins over at Maison Parkwood 

 

23 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

I disagree, considering Julius iconic is serving delusional.

If we want Beys legacy to be solid, we cannot and shouldnt consider every little thing she does or doesnt "iconic". It literally invalidates the moments and things that are truly iconic about Bey

I'm confused by this rationale.

 

I don't think that Beyoncé's legacy is in danger should Beyoncé fans find her longtime security guard iconic. It's not like I'm going up to random people on the street to say this. I'm in a Beyoncé base on a Pop Music forum talking to Beyoncé stans, many of which post here multiple times a day. What we will find iconic and what the GP will find iconic will overlap but also be different, and I've never said otherwise.

 

Not everything has to be Single Ladies in order to be deemed so. Something can be iconic to us and us alone.

 

If something is widely known, easily recognized and represents something, then it's iconic to whatever group, no matter how big or small it is. That can be the case for the general public, or within subcultures. Do you think that there is no such thing as an iconic figure in ballroom culture by the simple fact that the mainstream GP has not heard of them?

 

 

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I think the acts are still happening. Her website still says act i: RENAISSANCE when you go to the credits of the music page

57 minutes ago, swissman said:

I'm sorry but having no visuals is beyond iconic at this point. The fact that she's THE visual album girl and didn't do so but still got a #1 hit, #1 album #1 tour #1 film...  it says a lot.

That's not how this works Yvette...

8 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I think the acts are still happening. Her website still says act i: RENAISSANCE when you go to the credits of the music page

Her website has been abandoned I fear. But don’t worry, when the clock strikes 12 on January 1st they’ll update it removing the act i and bringing back the Birthday Blog.

59 minutes ago, swissman said:

I'm sorry but having no visuals is beyond iconic at this point. The fact that she's THE visual album girl and didn't do so but still got a #1 hit, #1 album #1 tour #1 film...  it says a lot.

Sometimes I think you live in delusion lol

2 minutes ago, Planet Mars said:

That's not how this works Yvette...

Which is why it's not her job to decide if and when the visuals are released.

Sorry it's been ~1.5 years since the visuals were teased and we are still talking about it on nearly every page of this base and we are arguing that the lack of visuals is not an iconic part of this era, even just to US?

Leave Swiss alone girls, she is an optimist and we are cynical a-holes.

1 minute ago, satellites.™ said:

Leave Swiss alone girls, she is an optimist and we are cynical a-holes.

I mean, to say that promising the visuals, and abandoning them is iconic is a bit more than optimism lol

1 minute ago, Lose My Breath said:

Sometimes I think you live in delusion lol

So please tell me how the lack of visuals is forgotten and not a main, memorable aspect of this era. Is this your first time in this base?

12 minutes ago, swissman said:

So please tell me how the lack of visuals is forgotten and not a main, memorable aspect of this era. Is this your first time in this base?

In terms of Pop culture, I associate iconic moments with moments we like to look back. Do you consider Britneys mental breakdown iconic?

7 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

In terms of Pop culture, I associate iconic moments with moments we like to look back. Do you consider Britneys mental breakdown iconic?

And tbh you can actually consider it iconic because so so many people are aware of. We as the Hive are such a subculture + the no mvs are just frustrating to us - aka nothing iconic about it.

I dont consider her FWT bs iconic either.

Her not doing interviews or promo is also not iconic to me

Beyonce is an iconic superstar, artist and singer

 

Single ladies has an iconic dance

 

BEYONCE's release was iconic

 

RWT was an iconic, record breaking tour

 

 

Her gaslighting her fans for 1.5 years about visuals is not iconic

last page is serving hive who gagged at those vomit colored “where’s the fwt dvd” shirts and those who (rightfully) found them tacky & disrespectful

 

happy to be on the RIGHT side of history 

Just now, Kristie Kuwa said:

In terms of Pop culture, I associate iconic moments with moments we like to look back. Do you consider Britneys mental breakdown iconic?

You're equating finding a person's personal struggles iconic to that which amounts to a business choice that still amounted to moments we would like to look back at.

 

As far as looking back, I really doubt that in the future music historians will look back at this era with hate for the lack of visuals, but moreso a neutral if not fond mentioning of the fact that this era very notably didn't have visuals, with discussion about how this differs from the majority of her career the decade prior.

 

What I'm saying is that the lack of visuals is an iconic factor to this era, the lack of which can say something about both her power as an artist and her desire to eschew expectations (even ones she put upon herself). Like ST  did for the digital era, it exemplifies the possibilities of the era it was released into, perhaps like no other work. As much as we can say "you don't even need visuals in the streaming era", who else has so totally stuck to this and proved that correct? Who really has been more "iconic" for not releasing any music videos?

4 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

Beyonce is an iconic superstar, artist and singer

 

Single ladies has an iconic dance

 

BEYONCE's release was iconic

 

RWT was an iconic, record breaking tour

 

 

Her gaslighting her fans for 1.5 years about visuals is not iconic

There are so many iconic things about Bey:

 

- All female Band

- lead singer of DC aka one of the biggest girlgroups in history

- Beychella

- Single Ladies

- ST release

- Lemonade era ("Beyonce is ACTUALLY black")

Etc