7 hours ago, MonsterNavy said:

?

 

she only has one

Sweet But Pyscho

Ny Head My Heart

Maybe You're the Problem 

Kinda surprised at this, I felt that things were getting better (still terrible but better) since the album announcement.

 

It's getting embarrassing being a fan of her at this point. Her whole career has been a mess since D&D got leaked and delayed. Get it together Miss Max or the 5 maxipads left will leave you just like your management did

 

I'm convinced Cirkut and Madison are the ones or sabotaged her career and they still are

I see this as a positive, clearly this management team wasn't a good match.

Yeah she needs to relocate to London, immerse herself into the local club scene there and come back stronger than ever. Some local gay needs to perform an exorcism on her and suck the Wisconsinese out of that girl. 

the regional hit-maker ava max deserves our love and support! things must be very hard for her. she didnt choose or cause a lot of these problems. 

Oh, Ava...

 

Honestly, I feel bad for her. She has a lot of potential and her voice is pleasant. But she lacks a true, distinct musical identity. I love some songs from Heaven & Hell and Diamonds & Dancefloors but the full albums are so unmemorable. Let me give "Naked" a stream

2 hours ago, ANG3L said:

Since when a hiatus is a good idea for an artist who is flopping? 

A hiatus could be good for a certain artist who is on tour atm 

She needs a rebrand and a complete image change. She needs to step away from Temu Gaga cosplay and find her own identity as an artist. I'll always root for her cause she delievered some great bops.

 

Does that also mean album is shelved? 

let me toss Naked some streams 

i actually feel really bad for her she just could never keep up with the industry tbh.

15 minutes ago, MaryJaneStardust said:

i actually feel really bad for her she just could never keep up with the industry tbh.

No she was able to at first. She was actually really ambitious during the rollout for H&H, her actively commenting on SBS being a pop hit amidst the trap wave and expanding on that proved that. But then she started overtly relying on these self love anthems instead of continuing on the sound that fits her most (which is Europop)

Albanian girls truly can't catch a break these days.

16 hours ago, Lady Claire said:

I wonder if her tour is even happening at this point bc at top of that it looks like she sold around 20% of the venues

 

In fact i would be worried for the album too. If i was her i would take a step back, cancel everything, do some kind of rebrand and then start over cause things are not looking good at all

I mean its still early but she needs to announce a fire opener ASAP to help her sell those tickets. Zero need for her to cancel the albums. Alot of fans are still excited and we've been waiting on new music for the longest. She just needs to be more active on somekind of metric to be visible and feed content. Secure more DJ collabs, features and continue to put out music. Give us the Spot A Fake music video. Add that song and MOM to the album for more streams and give us a deluxe.

16 hours ago, Saint James said:

please let the album come out at least. this is the beginning of the end though. despite having massive hits, things just never clicked. it's really sad.

If things never clicked she wouldn't have had multiple hits. Her issue since her sophomore era was the lack of promotion and her being totally disengaged from feeding us consistent content because she's just not interested in being a celebrity. She can't have it both ways. She's not established enough for that. 

15 hours ago, Lil Mxnster said:

Wait, I thought her album had been released 

O.o you know it's not August yet right? 

15 hours ago, Bubble Tea said:

I feel kinda bad for her but she does seem very directionless. I feel like Tate Mcrae has swooped in and stole her spot - and is doing it better.

Her and Tate are two completely different type of artists. To say that Tate came and took her spot is factually weird and false. Tate first started out as a very Billie Eillish lite type then Olivis Rodrigo lite a d now is leaning into Britney Spears cosplay slash temu Tinashe. Ava at her best was serving RedOne Gaga. How are the two remotely similar?

15 hours ago, Wonderland said:

I guess she might be back to singing 30 second EDM hooks for good.
 

Such a shame.

As long as they're hits they'll keep her afloat. I think she needs to work with better producers. Her working on a full album with RedOne could actually be it for her. 

15 hours ago, Bhabylon said:

Sis is never escaping the Khia asylum huh

She had a hit with Kygo just last year so clearly with the right material she can bounce back she needs promo though and to do more shoots and interviews 

15 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

She should sign to TAP management. 👀

Honestly though this would be a great move. She needs to put in the work. All these selfies of her on vacation are not it. It's giving Hilary Duff.

15 hours ago, Clarksonator said:

I think she should be happy with how far she's come with the talent she has, call it a day, and enjoy the royalties of her catalog

If this is what she wants to do who are you to tell her to give up that's so defeatist and weird? Alot of yall on this website are success stans and it shows

15 hours ago, helpthomas said:

there's only two ways out of this;

 

a raye style trajectory in some years time where she exposes all the wrongs she got served

Or work with Raye who is exceptional at melodies to pen her some hits would do wonders. Ava has and does great at pop. She doesn't need to change that. She does need work ethic and proper management and better material. 

15 hours ago, Dolce Vita said:

wtf happened to her career in the last couple of years…it feels like as soon as she broke up with cirkut the industry just turned their back on her  

I said this before and I'll say it again the second she opened her mouth about her ex Cirkut, Madison Love and then exposed what was happening at Atlantic/Warner theirs been an obvious switch on her that has felt personal and it's unfortunate cause what are the odds she finally is open with us about real **** and personal stuff and now it's biting her in the ass cause she's not being pushed or prioritized 

14 hours ago, The ****ess said:

she was never more than cheap lady gaga knockoff. the potential was there but she has no vision. totally understandable

Wrong. Other than working with RedOne, being blonde, white woman, that make pop music how exactly are they alike? Nothing that Ava has made even sounds like Poker Face, Bad Romance, Judas, Applause, Rain On Me, Abracadabra? Exactly. Idk why their is this sudden expectation that she was expected to reinvent the wheel when she's been very clear about just wanting to make unapologetic pop music. Not everything has to be deep or personal. She makes bops to sing along and dance too and thats OK and their is space and demand for that as well.

14 hours ago, allforyou said:

Not them dumping her after only 8 months 

 

It's sad that she had a great start with her debut but things have been going downhill for a while now and it has to do with the quality of the music too, none of the singles from her new album are memorable

Diamonds And Dancefloors is actually a good album. This era has just been sorely mismanaged. The only song that hasn't clicked for me was Lost Your Faith but also she's been given zero budget. 

 

14 hours ago, MonsterNavy said:

?

 

she only has one

This literally is false. Do your research before coming in here trying to dogpile for no reason other than to get your kiis 

14 hours ago, angelduuh said:

She has a good voice but that's it. I wish she could find a way to be more creative and explore her talents.

We would've gotten that if she kept her word with exploring the dark pop sound she teased before the era started

13 hours ago, Daddy said:

If it's not a DJ collab nobody want it (I live for My Head My Heart and EveryTime I Cry)

Not true when a majority of her hits are solo

13 hours ago, MonsterNavy said:

not being rude cause I dont care about this girl at all but no one knows these "hits" or her at all

You are being rude because how are you being presented with facts and still choosing to be dense

12 hours ago, spiritboy said:

She should take Rita Ora route ans become a Firo

Or have Rita Ora be her opener like do something Ava! 

12 hours ago, Reginald said:

Hoping she finds a stable team (yet) again, the last couple of years have been so rocky for her behind-the-scenes since Atlantic's mismanagement. 

 

And.. if the MPG route doesn't work, she is great at DJ collabs  Give us another Motto, Whatever, Car Keys-style hit to pay the bills 

Where is her damn Marshmello, Jax Jones and Nathan Dawe collabs? Like why haven't they dropped yet!

12 hours ago, Recluse said:

I think the issue with Ava Max is the management teams that work with her never have any kind of unique vision for her. The only thing they've ever tried is that stupid Max Cut hairstyle and that only ever gets you so far.

She needs the MaxCut as it became part of her brand. Her actually dropping it so soon was random and counterproductive 

11 hours ago, Kylie Jenner said:

She deleted all references to her upcoming tour from her Instagram  she's over

Wtf is seriously going on with her. I am legitimately concerned. Announce openers girls. Get the Albanian mafia together and have them tour with you. Bebe, Rita help!

11 hours ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Lmfao

Your nasty for this 

11 hours ago, 57.5 said:

Who is surprised?

 

She was still trying to make that **** ass bob work. In 2025. This girl has clearly learned little to nothing more since her debut.

 

Temu Lady Gaga down bad, I guess the tariffs have really made their impact.

Addison literally had to completely change everything about herself to get approval from gays stop it

11 hours ago, Infatuation_Junkie said:

Even her management didn't want to click play. 

Yall dont feel weird for being mean towards people that are actually unproblematic like what the kick that some of yall get from people's misfortunes make yall look like bitter miserable bullies

11 hours ago, ahauntingnearu said:

Can't say I'm surprised. I feel for her fan tho

🙄 this site loves being regina george's huh 

 

On her way to become the first maximum security inmate of the khia asylum 

Just now, SchmoodRing said:

This literally is false. Do your research before coming in here trying to dogpile for no reason other than to get your kiis 

We would've gotten that if she kept her word with exploring the dark pop sound she teased before the era started

Not true when a majority of her hits are solo

You are being rude because how are you being presented with facts and still choosing to be dense

Or have Rita Ora be her opener like do something Ava! 

Where is her damn Marshmello, Jax Jones and Nathan Dawe collabs? Like why haven't they dropped yet!

She needs the MaxCut as it became part of her brand. Her actually dropping it so soon was random and counterproductive 

Wtf is seriously going on with her. I am legitimately concerned. Announce openers girls. Get the Albanian mafia together and have them tour with you. Bebe, Rita help!

Your nasty for this 

Addison literally had to completely change everything about herself to get approval from gays stop it

Yall dont feel weird for being mean towards people that are actually unproblematic like what the kick that some of yall get from people's misfortunes make yall look like bitter miserable bullies

🙄 this site loves being regina george's huh 

 

This just shows how important a team is

Having cirkut and her old management behind her gave her hits 

As soon as she lost them she faded

aw man, the max cut was just about to take off too 

She manifested this with the phrase 'Don't Click Play'. A self fulfilling prophecy queen tingz.

It might be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not giving up on her. We all make her the butt of so many jokes, but honestly there is an Ava shaped hole in the Pop landscape that nobody fills as good as her. 
 

Pop is a business and at this point it's clear Ava's swimming against the tide, I think everyone has made a huge error of judgement by laughing at her fight, her struggles to stay afloat and make the pop game look so effortless when really it is not, and we all delight at the cracks that are beginning to show.

 

On another level, regarding a key relationship she has with a portion of her audience.. Many baby gays are in bad situations and are in the closet with homophobic parents in redneck communities and I know that Ava is bringing light to some in these situations.

 

Ava's brand of electro pop is striving to be a fantasy brand against the backdrop of budgetary constraints and a label with other, sometimes more successful artists vying for attention, artists who don't necessarily serve the gay community like Ava.

 

I think it's time to support her as a community in a grass roots, un-ironic way, otherwise we risk losing her to the Ed Sheehan's and the Jellyroll's of this world.

10 hours ago, Jared said:

I had high hopes for her when she dropped that silly haircut for a while then I saw one of her recent videos (the song wasn't good imo) and she had it back. Like sis what kind of hold does this cut have on you, it's not the gag you think it is. 

The MaxCut is literally part of her brand and what made her standout. Yall were upset when she dropped it and now are mad that she brought it back? Make it make sense. That's like getting mad at Ariana for still rocking ponytails!

10 hours ago, Afterglow said:

She'll always have a career, she has too many streaming hits to not. I think this has more to do with her output as of late. Tbh they really should be focusing her on the European market, her sound would do better there. 

 

But I also saw a recent video of her performing and she just didn't seem into it, probably stress from behind the scenes.

 

But a break and a rebrand would do wonders I think. 

She needs to continue to put out music, promote, tour and work on her engagement asap

9 hours ago, Selegend said:

she has some streaming hits but people don't have interest in her name.

it's like a bebe rexha situation. 

It's not the same because people find Bebe insufferable. That's not the case with Ava. People want more from Ava but she's just not giving that and that's an issue. When you're not giving the audience what you want they will move on.

9 hours ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said:

The moment she claimed that she was not inspired by Gaga, I knew that she would not go very far, because being grateful is important. You dont discredit the one who inspired you. 

 

Gaga, despite the on and off / feuds with Madonna, always cited Madonna as 1 of her main inspirations, same with Grace Jones. Grace Jones has trashed Gaga in the past, but recently Gaga cited her again as an inspiration. David Bowie also was not very kind towards Gaga, but he has always remained her idol. 

 

The fact that Gaga never said a mean word towards Ava....

Again besides being white blonde and working with RedOne as artist Ava and Gaga dont have anything in common. This is something that ya projected onto her and want to enforce her to accept and its weird 

9 hours ago, Bryan Spears said:

This was a long time coming. She needs an entire rebrand with a new label and team. She should probably take a couple years off too to figure out an image and sound that she enjoys, is memerable, but also feels authentic. The maxicut was cute for 2019, but she needs something the GP can remember her by

Considering her absence hasn't helped her situation a hiatus isn't ideal. She needs to find a new management asap, tour, put out music and work with RedOne and Raye again and put out that dark pop album and give us a full album in the vein of The Motto. Alot of fans gravitate towards her psycho/anthemic duality of her artistry

8 hours ago, Spicy Pisces said:

They tried so many times, they even brought back the maxcut so are we surprised they didn't know what to do with her anymore

They barely promoted her. She clearly wasnt a priority. She was one of their biggest artists and them completely fumbling her is not her fault. 

8 hours ago, Katamari said:

Yeah that's weird. Time to make amends and get back together

Stop telling her to get back with her lying and cheating ex that is most likely responsible for the position that shes in. She needs a genuine support system around her. 

8 hours ago, Katamari said:

Yeah that's weird. Time to make amends and get back together

Not when he cheated on her with best friend in her own house then allowed Madison to go online and completely discredit whatever contribution Ava actually made

8 hours ago, Totami Legend said:

she deleted the tour announcements ok never mind she is socially economically and artistically dead 

The dogpiling isn't helping. Imagine being in her position right now. She's at a professional and personal low yet again and all these online users bullying her isn't helping. Have some sympathy yall. 

8 hours ago, Just a Gay on ATRL said:

She needs a rebrand. Her music is very impersonal - I feel like she needs to open up and let people know who she really is. The Ava Max persona very much feels like a mask that's not particularly unique.  Currently it feels like there is no intrigue into what she does next or WHY check out her music over others.

She tried doing that and it looks like Cirkut and Madison shut that sbit down behind the scenes real fast with the quickness

8 hours ago, khaleap said:

I need more samples and less self empowerment 

She needs to hit up Tiesto asap

8 hours ago, worldwide angel said:

of course i'm being hyperbolic by saying this but all of this stemming from her releasing so am i as a single

blood, sweat and tears and salt were right there

I agree. Salt should've been a single and she should've release the deluxe edition as promised. Imagine if she would've released Emotions and Move as singles. Those were easily the hits that got away

8 hours ago, Bryan Spears said:

Since the flop in question keeps releasing half-assed, uninspired music with no artistic direction and still nothing is sticking. She needs to go back into the studio and recouperate. Maybe she has artist block or something

She's fine. She just needs to work with better producers, have a management team that can actually handle her career and her label needs to actually invest and promote her. It's not like she's some flop she has multiple hits. Do something!

 

7 hours ago, Danny1021 said:

Sweet But Pyscho

My Head My Heart

Maybe You're the Problem 

And it's more than just those 3 don't forget Kings And Queens, The Motto, Alone, So Am I 

7 hours ago, Avaisnoangel said:

Kinda surprised at this, I felt that things were getting better (still terrible but better) since the album announcement.

 

It's getting embarrassing being a fan of her at this point. Her whole career has been a mess since D&D got leaked and delayed. Get it together Miss Max or the 5 maxipads left will leave you just like your management did

 

I'm convinced Cirkut and Madison are the ones or sabotaged her career and they still are

The latter statement is proving to be more and more true. Also the industry is known to shadey and sketchy and things like behind the scenes sabotage are things that even alot of our faves confirmed is true

6 hours ago, Solaria said:

Yeah she needs to relocate to London, immerse herself into the local club scene there and come back stronger than ever. Some local gay needs to perform an exorcism on her and suck the Wisconsinese out of that girl. 

She also needs someone in her corner to push her out there. Being a vacation recluse is not it. You wanna be a popstar you need to POP

5 hours ago, RadioactiveLights said:

Oh, Ava...

 

Honestly, I feel bad for her. She has a lot of potential and her voice is pleasant. But she lacks a true, distinct musical identity. I love some songs from Heaven & Hell and Diamonds & Dancefloors but the full albums are so unmemorable. Let me give "Naked" a stream

Both albums are good and are full of great pop songs. This era the quality has been messy unfortunately. 

5 hours ago, MaryJaneStardust said:

i actually feel really bad for her she just could never keep up with the industry tbh.

Yeah cause she doesn't care about fame or being a celebrity which I get but she still needs to feed her fans so she needs to find a middle ground and be realistic

5 hours ago, Solaria said:

No she was able to at first. She was actually really ambitious during the rollout for H&H, her actively commenting on SBS being a pop hit amidst the trap wave and expanding on that proved that. But then she started overtly relying on these self love anthems instead of continuing on the sound that fits her most (which is Europop)

Please manage her lol

4 hours ago, Gringo said:

Albanian girls truly can't catch a break these days.

She can easily do a tour with Bebe and Rita. Make it happen Albanian Mafia!

27 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

On her way to become the first maximum security inmate of the khia asylum 

She literally has multiple hits and just had one last year so no 

26 minutes ago, Mr. Mendes said:

You not about to make me look or feel sometype of way when a group of mostly grown gay men are belittling a woman for no reason who hasn't done anything wrong and is clearly going through **** behind the scenes. 

17 minutes ago, Digitalism said:

This just shows how important a team is

Having cirkut and her old management behind her gave her hits 

As soon as she lost them she faded

She didn't lose them. He screwed her over. She didn't take him back. Now he's screwing her over. She signed to Scooter Braun who then stopped being a manger altogether. Then her label did an entire overhaul. How are any of these things her to blame? She needs to team up with RedOne asap

14 minutes ago, Dante Silva said:

It might be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not giving up on her. We all make her the butt of so many jokes, but honestly there is an Ava shaped hole in the Pop landscape that nobody fills as good as her. 
 

Pop is a business and at this point it's clear Ava's swimming against the tide, I think everyone has made a huge error of judgement by laughing at her fight, her struggles to stay afloat and make the pop game look so effortless when really it is not, and we all delight at the cracks that are beginning to show.

 

On another level, regarding a key relationship she has with a portion of her audience.. Many baby gays are in bad situations and are in the closet with homophobic parents in redneck communities and I know that Ava is bringing light to some in these situations.

 

Ava's brand of electro pop is striving to be a fantasy brand against the backdrop of budgetary constraints and a label with other, sometimes more successful artists vying for attention, artists who don't necessarily serve the gay community like Ava.

 

I think it's time to support her as a community in a grass roots, un-ironic way, otherwise we risk losing her to the Ed Sheehan's and the Jellyroll's of this world.

Thank you someone with some dsmn sense. 

16 minutes ago, SchmoodRing said:

The MaxCut is literally part of her brand and what made her standout. Yall were upset when she dropped it and now are mad that she brought it back? Make it make sense. That's like getting mad at Ariana for still rocking ponytails!

She needs to continue to put out music, promote, tour and work on her engagement asap

It's not the same because people find Bebe insufferable. That's not the case with Ava. People want more from Ava but she's just not giving that and that's an issue. When you're not giving the audience what you want they will move on.

Again besides being white blonde and working with RedOne as artist Ava and Gaga dont have anything in common. This is something that ya projected onto her and want to enforce her to accept and its weird 

Considering her absence hasn't helped her situation a hiatus isn't ideal. She needs to find a new management asap, tour, put out music and work with RedOne and Raye again and put out that dark pop album and give us a full album in the vein of The Motto. Alot of fans gravitate towards her psycho/anthemic duality of her artistry

They barely promoted her. She clearly wasnt a priority. She was one of their biggest artists and them completely fumbling her is not her fault. 

Stop telling her to get back with her lying and cheating ex that is most likely responsible for the position that shes in. She needs a genuine support system around her. 

Not when he cheated on her with best friend in her own house then allowed Madison to go online and completely discredit whatever contribution Ava actually made

The dogpiling isn't helping. Imagine being in her position right now. She's at a professional and personal low yet again and all these online users bullying her isn't helping. Have some sympathy yall. 

She tried doing that and it looks like Cirkut and Madison shut that sbit down behind the scenes real fast with the quickness

She needs to hit up Tiesto asap

I agree. Salt should've been a single and she should've release the deluxe edition as promised. Imagine if she would've released Emotions and Move as singles. Those were easily the hits that got away

She's fine. She just needs to work with better producers, have a management team that can actually handle her career and her label needs to actually invest and promote her. It's not like she's some flop she has multiple hits. Do something!

 

 

5 minutes ago, SchmoodRing said:

And it's more than just those 3 don't forget Kings And Queens, The Motto, Alone, So Am I 

The latter statement is proving to be more and more true. Also the industry is known to shadey and sketchy and things like behind the scenes sabotage are things that even alot of our faves confirmed is true

She also needs someone in her corner to push her out there. Being a vacation recluse is not it. You wanna be a popstar you need to POP

Both albums are good and are full of great pop songs. This era the quality has been messy unfortunately. 

Yeah cause she doesn't care about fame or being a celebrity which I get but she still needs to feed her fans so she needs to find a middle ground and be realistic

Please manage her lol

She can easily do a tour with Bebe and Rita. Make it happen Albanian Mafia!

She literally has multiple hits and just had one last year so no 

You not about to make me look or feel sometype of way when a group of mostly grown gay men are belittling a woman for no reason who hasn't done anything wrong and is clearly going through **** behind the scenes. 

She didn't lose them. He screwed her over. She didn't take him back. Now he's screwing her over. She signed to Scooter Braun who then stopped being a manger altogether. Then her label did an entire overhaul. How are any of these things her to blame? She needs to team up with RedOne asap

Thank you someone with some dsmn sense. 

Girl are you her new manager? 

Just now, Mr. Mendes said:

 

Girl are you her new manager? 

I wish

@SchmoodRing girl what is all that