Every time the civies crawl out of that section it's always a bunch of long winded deranged arguments with them trying to accuse falsely accuse somebody of being or doing something  

 

I used to find some of you mildly annoying but seeing as to how yall openly admitted to voting for trump because you deluded yourself into thinking he was the "better option" and still have the audacity to try to play the morality police and call people "blue maga"…. girl bffr. i'd ban yall too 

 

Edited April 17, 20251 yr by Bussea

2 minutes ago, Bussea said:

 

I used to find some of you mildly annoying but seeing as to how yall openly admitted to voting for trump because you deluded yourself into thinking he was the "better option" and still have the audacity to try to play the morality police and call people "blue maga"…. girl bffr.

Who 

Y’all love bringing up that a Palestinian user was banned as if that was the reason and not because they’re a fucking asshole. 
 

Meanwhile ignoring all the people who HAVE been banned for their hateful comments towards the Palestinians. All the while your anti-Zionist comments leer über close to antisemitism but we give you the benefit of doubt because emotions can run high when discussing these matters. 
 

Im tired. 

Yall ok in here?

Just now, Ryan said:

über close to antisemitism

Just now, Ryan said:

Y'all love bringing up that a Palestinian user was banned as if that was the reason and not because they're a ******* *******. 
 

Meanwhile ignoring all the people who HAVE been banned for their hateful comments towards the Palestinians. All the while your anti-Zionist comments leer über close to antisemitism but we give you the benefit of doubt because emotions can run high when discussing these matters. 
 

Im tired. 

In April 2025, 18 months into the Gaza Holocaust, I'm really tired of this hasbara 

1 hour ago, Ubermensch said:

and how do you expect to educate people while accusing them of being responsible for and in favor of a genocide? This isn't what good faith discourse looks like.

1 hour ago, Ubermensch said:

You're a terrible person. Orange Hitler is the president of the United States. You did that!

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

you keep making variations of this post and conveniently cut out the part where i mention that EVERYBODY who threw out a vote is equally guilty. Or the fact that dozens of users tried to calmly explain to you how your pro-trump rhetoric was harmful last year.

 

You may as well just start writing whatever you feel like in the quote window at this point since you want to get so far away from what was being said.

Edited April 17, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

2 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

In April 2025, 18 months into the Gaza Holocaust, I'm really tired of this hasbara 

Well, sorry you’re not going to be coddled and told that your rhetoric is acceptable when it’s not.  

Just now, Ryan said:

Well, sorry you're not going to be coddled and told that your rhetoric is acceptable when it's not.  

Given the snippets of what that user posted of what you said basically repeating the pro-genocide narrative from western media, I can clearly see for myself what rhetoric is unacceptable…

2 hours ago, penguintim said:

Can you do mine as well (i only have 2 active atm)

@RyanI showed you my banners, pls respond

Just now, noodlelymph said:

Given the snippets of what that user posted of what you said basically repeating the pro-genocide narrative from western media, I can clearly see for myself what rhetoric is unacceptable…

Oh yes. Because I view Hamas for the terrorist organization they are and not a “resistance” group. 

 

1 minute ago, penguintim said:

@RyanI showed you my banners, pls respond

You need a points cleanup? Got you. 

Just now, Ryan said:

Oh yes. Because I view Hamas for the terrorist organization they are and not a "resistance" group. 

 

Might I suggest reading any work by norm finkelstein, particularly "Gaza: an inquest into its martyrdom" and then you will learn more outside of western propaganda that has manufactured consent for the biggest crime against humanity in recent memory. Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is and will always be a resistance group. The IOF and original Zionist settlers born from the kibbutzem are the true terrorists as is the US military and gov which fully backs them. If you don't care to learn though and just want to ban folks who disagree with you, go ahead I guess 

Just now, noodlelymph said:

Might I suggest reading any work by norm finkelstein, particularly "Gaza: an inquest into its martyrdom" and then you will learn more outside of western propaganda that has manufactured consent for the biggest crime against humanity in recent memory. Hamas is not a terrorist organization, it is and will always be a resistance group. The IOF and original Zionist settlers born from the kibbutzem are the true terrorists as is the US military and gov which fully backs them. If you don't care to learn though and just want to ban folks who disagree with you, go ahead I guess 

I disagree with @Communion about like 95% of the time and he’s still here.

 

I have no problem with disagreement. Discourse is necessary and IMO helps make us better. Unfortunately what goes on a lot in civics isn’t disagreement. 
 

Also not to get into it but murdering, kidnapping and raping innocent people makes you a terrorist group. Just like the IDF. 

Just now, Ryan said:

I disagree with @Communion about like 95% of the time and he's still here.

 

I have no problem with disagreement. Discourse is necessary and IMO helps make us better. Unfortunately what goes on a lot in civics isn't disagreement. 
 

Also not to get into it but murdering, kidnapping and raping innocent people makes you a terrorist group. Just like the IDF. 

False equivalence is the root of Zionism and you're peddling it here rn with nonsensical hasbara that has been disproven several times over… Hamas is a resistance group, the IOF is a terrorist group. The terrorist actions of the ZioNazi state the past 18 months should show that clear as day because they show the conditions that create groups and movements like Hamas. If you understand that this has been ongoing since the creation of the Zionist colony you would know which is *RESISTANCE* and which is terrorism. But something tells me you refuse to listen and learn but still want to be the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable discourse on here. 

24 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

Given the events of today and actions towards pro-Palestine users here (and lack thereof towards the most egregious Zionist users as mentioned earlier in this thread) evidently we don't have that…. And given that liberal users get mad everytime their views are challenged (I saw it nonstop on the election thread the past week when the potential Harris 2028 run discourse was brought up) it seems that it's a certain group of people who *actually* want an echo chamber. "Trump bad, GOP bad" like that holds any meaning on a site where the overwhelming majority of the site already agreed with that… 

 

22 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

There's a very clear difference between engaging and saying that folks are mad that they're engaging. I don't mind going back and forth with you and im Not complaining about it… the actions of the admin recently to ban members he disagrees with and then accuse other members against that of being in "groupthink" is a ridiculous course of action imo. 

You keep repeating this narrative that pro-Palestine members are being banned for simply holding opposing views and that doesn't line up with reality. Every single time this has happened the user in question has been harassing and throwing frivolous accusations at Ryan/the mod team because users THEY disagree with are allowed to post or because they believe those users aren't receiving the proper punishment for breaking the rules. The reality is you and several others believe that anyone who even mildly puts forward a defense of Israelis/criticism of Hamas should be banned from the site. The admins clearly don't agree with that and y'all keep getting yourselves banned over it.

18 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

you keep making variations of this post and conveniently cut out the part where i mention that EVERYBODY who threw out a vote is equally guilty.

I'm not sure what you're failing to understand. The argument that any single voter is responsible for anything has as much material basis to it in either direction.

 

That's what makes your post funny! Your post is identical to the user you're arguing with! 

 

This is emotionally-charged rhetoric that favors moral arguments over material ones. The oddness is that you think you're above the very thing you feel victim to!

 

21 hours ago, noodlelymph said:

Lol y'all were "horrified" enough to vote for its co-perpetrator even as she went on a tour touting how much she would continue to fund the perpetrators of the genocide… mkay "horrified"… 

1 hour ago, Ubermensch said:

You're a terrible person. Orange Hitler is the president of the United States. You did that!

Now... even as a Marxist girly who prefers material arguments over emotional/moral ones, I DON'T begrudge my emotional girlies in either direction.

 

My entire years-long schtick of not caring about non-voters not voting is that it's imperative to understand the psychological hopelessness of the average American. I've quite literally been making the same argument that politicians earn votes for 8 years on this site - consistency. There's 160M voters in the US... that's too many to get mad over any individual vote that you focus on punching down or sideways rather than up. I literally don't care how any random individual votes and famously am known for not caring about this framing!

 

But you've now decided to try and be all up in MY ***** and randomly decry my name as personally responsible for a presidential election's outcome in random threads knjjknjk  We're not even iNTIMATE, sister!! Didn't even offer to take me to Applebees before demanding to know my deepest, darkest secrets! jnkjnkjn 

Edited April 17, 20251 yr by Communion

1 minute ago, nostalgic said:

 

You keep repeating this narrative that pro-Palestine members are being banned for simply holding opposing views and that doesn't line up with reality. Every single time this has happened the user in question has been harassing and throwing frivolous accusations at Ryan/the mod team because users THEY disagree with are allowed to post or because they believe those users aren't receiving the proper punishment for breaking the rules. The reality is you and several others believe that anyone who even mildly puts forward a defense of Israelis/criticism of Hamas should be banned from the site. The admins clearly don't agree with that and y'all keep getting yourselves banned over it.

But today alone a Palestinian user was banned. Reality actually doesn't align with what you're saying in your post. 

16 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Oh yes. Because I view Hamas for the terrorist organization they are and not a "resistance" group. 

Terrorist is a relative term. The boston tea party was "terrorism", the sit-ins were "terrorism", stonewall was "terrorism". You need to do some research into the treatment of Palestinian people and the DECADES of peacefully begging for the right to self-determination. October 7 was nothing short of a tragedy and WAS a terrorist attack, but it was one with righteous motivations. The way Israel immediately started attacking hospitals, schools, and using young boys at meat shields in the wake of it with zero hesitation should tell you all that you need to know. They were always planning to carry out a genocide once patience eroded enough for attacks to start on "Israeli" soil. The actual teachings of Judaism are extremely opposed both to Israel's actions during as well as leading up to the ongoing military conflict.

 

 

Antisemitism is a real concern here too but notice how the most hardline zionists also happened to be antisemites before October 7. Using our shared background in kpop as an example, JYP frequently includes antisemitic conspiracy theories in his christian cult seminars(i can dig up the receipts if you don't believe me, but you've probably cleared reports on those receipts enough times to remember), but is now defending Israel like his life depends on it when asked. Israel is using Judaism as a cloak to carry out truly sinister actions. I believe you're from the US, you should be able to see this correlation all around you with the people who are proudly wearing the label of neo-nazi also crying antisemitism at anybody who can't stand to see a genocide being carried out.

Edited April 17, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

2 minutes ago, noodlelymph said:

False equivalence is the root of Zionism and you're peddling it here rn with nonsensical hasbara that has been disproven several times over… Hamas is a resistance group, the IOF is a terrorist group. The terrorist actions of the ZioNazi state the past 18 months should show that clear as day because they show the conditions that create groups and movements like Hamas. If you understand that this has been ongoing since the creation of the Zionist colony you would know which is *RESISTANCE* and which is terrorism. But something tells me you refuse to listen and learn but still want to be the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable discourse on here. 

Right. So we’re the 9/11 hijackers terrorists too or were they just RESISTING US policy? 
 

We’re not going to find common ground on this so I’m just going to respectfully disagree and remove myself from further discussion. 
 

Even though you continue to incorrectly assume I want to control discussion. 

30 minutes ago, Bussea said:

Every time the civies crawl out of that section it's always a bunch of long winded deranged arguments with them trying to accuse falsely accuse somebody of being or doing something  

 

I used to find some of you mildly annoying but seeing as to how yall openly admitted to voting for trump because you deluded yourself into thinking he was the "better option" and still have the audacity to try to play the morality police and call people "blue maga"…. girl bffr. i'd ban yall too 

 

Tell them. The way one of them wished death on me and nothing happened. 

 

4 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Terrorist is a relative term. The boston tea party was "terrorism", the sit-ins were "terrorism", stonewall was "terrorism". You need to do some research into the treatment of Palestinian people and the DECADES of peacefully begging for the right to self-determination. October 7 was nothing short of a tragedy and WAS a terrorist attack, but it was one with righteous motivations. The way Israel immediately started attacking hospitals, schools, and using young boys at meat shields in the wake of it with zero hesitation should tell you all that you need to know. They were always planning to carry out a genocide once patience eroded enough for attacks to start on "Israeli" soil. The actual teachings of Judaism are extremely opposed both to Israel's actions during as well as leading up to the ongoing military conflict.

 

 

Antisemitism is a real concern here too but notice how the most hardline zionists also happened to be antisemites before October 7. Using our shared background in kpop as an example, JYP frequently includes antisemitic conspiracy theories in his christian cult seminars(i can dig up the receipts if you don't believe me, but you've probably cleared reports on those receipts enough times to remember), but is now defending Israel like his life depends on it when asked. Israel is using Judaism as a cloak to carry out truly sinister actions. I believe you're from the US, you should be able to see this correlation all around you with the people who are proudly wearing the label of neo-nazi also crying antisemitism at anybody who can't stand to see a genocide being carried out.

I’m aware of all of this and have criticized and condemned the Israeli government and its state sponsored terrorist organization the IDF multiple times, well before the events of October 7. The problem is there’s no room for nuanced discussion here. Because acknowledging that Israel has been committing atrocities for decades while also acknowledging that the events of 10/7 directly attributed to the *latest* escalation and justification on their part to commit the war crimes leads to hasbara this hasbara that, you’re a Zionist blah blah.

44 minutes ago, hoax said:

@Click Clack what do you have rocking in the oven?

 

pot pies coming right up!

 

1 minute ago, Click Clack said:

pot pies coming right up!

 

Are they hot and moist?