they ate this

 

I hate the huge pop filters they use on this show, they cover half the damn face

 

 

no Given-Taken, Tamed-Dashed or Blessed-Cursed tho

style already top 5 on apple music in korea 

 

youtube music will follow soon. melon truly is a dead platform  i don't understand why stans still use it as reference when it's not representative of what's popular anymore

 

now if only spotify's charts wasn't dominated by bts' streaming farms  it's actually gaining a lot of popularity in korea

 

 

WE'RE SO BACK.

 

Streets are saying Monsta X is coming back.

Oh and he was drawn from a Shownu picture

Producer line: YuQi vs. Soyeon

 

I Guess YuQi won

 

 

Can somebody do a deepfake with Sera and Eunji's faces and voices in this?

 

 

1 hour ago, Windy Day said:

style already top 5 on apple music in korea 

 

youtube music will follow soon. melon truly is a dead platform  i don't understand why stans still use it as reference when it's not representative of what's popular anymore

 

now if only spotify's charts wasn't dominated by bts' streaming farms  it's actually gaining a lot of popularity in korea

well it's still the second biggest platform there

1 hour ago, Windy Day said:

style already top 5 on apple music in korea 

 

youtube music will follow soon. melon truly is a dead platform  i don't understand why stans still use it as reference when it's not representative of what's popular anymore

 

now if only spotify's charts wasn't dominated by bts' streaming farms  it's actually gaining a lot of popularity in korea

Maybe because Melon has a rigid system to get rid of fanbase's mass streaming and straight up scams like how they are flooding Spotify charts, and Youtube to a certain extent?

35 minutes ago, Sailor Moon said:

well it's still the second biggest platform there

Agreed. Melon is not "dead" and it's still a decent indicator and more stringent charting requirements.

 

If we are talking flop/irrelevant, that's Bugs chart. 

 

deserved 5 daesangs, 500 PAKs, 1b streams, etc etc

Melon is the 2nd largest streaming app in Korea with an over 30% marketshare. It's widely known that YouTube is #1 as well. What do you mean Spotify and apple music? 

Edited June 21, 20251 yr by Ubermensch

Hey hey hey 

Think you got me figured out? 

But look who's talking now 

It's ME 

 

1 hour ago, Sailor Moon said:

well it's still the second biggest platform there

 

1 hour ago, OrgVisual said:

Maybe because Melon has a rigid system to get rid of fanbase's mass streaming and straight up scams like how they are flooding Spotify charts, and Youtube to a certain extent?

 

1 hour ago, Zack said:

Agreed. Melon is not "dead" and it's still a decent indicator and more stringent charting requirements.

 

If we are talking flop/irrelevant, that's Bugs chart. 

im gonna be totally honest with yall, people who use melon in 2025 are seen as otaku losers  it's a platform for otaku fans because it counts towards music shows that nobody watches. out of all of my friends there's not a single person who uses melon. half of my friends use apple music, the other half either use spotify or youtube music. my roommate switched to spotify some months ago as well.

 

the only reason why melon still has so many users is because of kpop fanbases who use it to stream their faves, older demographics, and the fact that a month of melon subs costs 100 wons (10cents)  i also wouldn't be surprised if they lied about their active users. the ULs are at an all time low rn  

 

melon is also dead in the sense of its charts barely moving. there's YEARS old songs that you never hear anywhere still charting, 30% of the charts is Lim Young Woong, then it's filled with **** like plave and other irrelevant acts, tons of ballads that nobody listens to etc... 

 

in 2025 youtube music and apple music are the two platforms the most representative of the music that is trendy in korea

 

i don't really like gnarly but it went viral in korea, i hear it a lot everywhere, it was even played at pride etc and it's charting at #42 on AM and #58 on youtube music but... N/A on melon...  melon is not accurate AT ALL

also it's impossible to know the numbers of AM users but there's still a **** tons of people using it

 

spotify is literally destroying the market atm

 

 

over 3 MILLION users in korea when it was at just 1 million last year 

Edited June 21, 20251 yr by Windy Day

7 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

 

 

im gonna be totally honest with yall, people who use melon in 2025 are seen as otaku losers  it's a platform for otaku fans because it counts towards music shows that nobody watches. out of all of my friends there's not a single person who uses melon. half of my friends use apple music, the other half either use spotify or youtube music. my roommate switched to spotify some months ago as well.

 

the only reason why melon still has so many users is because of kpop fanbases who use it to stream their faves, older demographics, and the fact that a month of melon subs costs 100 wons (10cents)  i also wouldn't be surprised if they lied about their active users. the ULs are at an all time low rn  

 

melon is also dead in the sense of its charts barely moving. there's YEARS old songs that you never hear anywhere still charting, 30% of the charts is Lim Young Woong, then it's filled with **** like plave and other irrelevant acts, tons of ballads that nobody listens to etc... 

 

in 2025 youtube music and apple music are the two platforms the most representative of the music that is trendy in korea

 

i don't really like gnarly but it went viral in korea, i hear it a lot everywhere, it was even played at pride etc and it's charting at #42 on AM and #58 on youtube music but... N/A on melon...  melon is not accurate AT ALL

Your argument appears to be solely based on your singular experience and not verified by any supporting facts or data.

 

This is a current list of the top music streaming sites in Korea. YouTube is 1st, which no one disputed. Melon is 2nd, as everyone else has said. Spotify is 3rd now because they recently released a free plan in Korea in October. Then it's genie and FLO. 

 

Apple Music is nowhere to be found. In fact, the latest KOMCA report from May 2025 which you can read (here) even has a paragraph about Apple Music stating it's not as popular and growth has stalled. 

 

Fans look at YouTube, Melon (and iChart compilation) because they are the most accurate verifiable data sources for chart activity based on services with the most users and most market share. Of course how you, your friends or individual casual listeners choose to consume/discover music may differ, but that's obviously irrelevant when considering chart performance and popularity according to ranked metrics using the most popular services.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Zack said:

Your argument appears to be solely based on your singular experience and not verified by any supporting facts or data.

 

This is a current list of the top music streaming sites in Korea. YouTube is 1st, which no one disputed. Melon is 2nd, as everyone else has said. Spotify is 3rd now because they recently released a free plan in Korea in October. Then it's genie and FLO. 

 

Apple Music is nowhere to be found. In fact, the latest KOMCA report from May 2025 which you can read (here) even has a paragraph about Apple Music stating it's not as popular and growth has stalled. 

 

Fans look at YouTube, Melon (and iChart compilation) because they are the most accurate verifiable data sources for chart activity based on services with the most users and most market share. Of course how you, your friends or individual casual listeners choose to consume/discover music may differ, but that's obviously irrelevant when considering chart performance and popularity according to ranked metrics using the most popular services.

 

 

i never said melon wasn't number two, i said it was dead and unpopular with the general public (which is the general public opinion in korea) and those claims are supported by the fact that it's free falling in the graph that you proved and also by the fact that the top 3 songs have 100k ULS (whereas popular songs used to have over 500K) and the rest of the top 100 is under 100k with some songs in the top 100 even having 30K uls, on top of a huge portion of the top 100 being filled with songs from even 2017~2022, trot songs and unpopular idol songs

 

the report that you linked never stated that apple music wasn't popular, it states that its user bases is limited to mostly apple users. also it's impossible to know the number of apple music user because the service is using the default music app on apple devices and apple does not communicate its numbers. the same report states that melon is strongly linked with fandom culture, just like i stated with my own words of it being an otaku platform lmfao 

 

i don't think i even once claimed it didn't have millions of users, i said that the melon charts wasn't representative of what's actually popular in korea. i also never stated apple music was a major platform, i said that in my experience, a LOT of people are using it, and its charts is the most reflective of what's actually popular in korea and that its charts was the most similar with youtube music's charts

 

which is why i said "youtube music will follow soon"

 

idk how hard it is to understand lmao, youtube music's official charts only updates once a week and apple music's charts is extremely similar with it so it's a good indicator to how the youtube charts will look like. i feel like some of yall are constantly acting dense on purpose just for the thrill of it

style is literally in the top 5 of most viewed music videos on youtube korea right now which is identical to the apple music charts while the song is N/A on melon  

 

yall are just arguing to argue when there's literally nothing to argue to begin with skdkldsflkss

Edited June 21, 20251 yr by Windy Day

8 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

style is literally in the top 5 of most viewed music videos on youtube korea right now which is identical to the apple music charts while the song is N/A on melon  

 

yall are just arguing to argue when there's literally nothing to argue to begin with skdkldsflkss

That's like saying Billboard is also irrelevant because its charts barely move and we should use TikTok charts to discuss the popularity of a song. It indicates the virality of a song, not popularity with the overall public.

 

Streaming made charts more stagnant in the past years, but they're still the biggest indicator of popularity. And like @Zack said, you're using your individual perspective. If MelOn was so dominated by otaku and not the GP, then every comeback by a popular group (like i-dle and Twice) would chart high instantly and it doesn't work like that.

Just now, Windy Day said:

i never said melon wasn't number two, i said it was dead and unpopular with the general public (which is the general public opinion in korea) and those claims are supported by the fact that it's free falling in the graph that you proved and also by the fact that the top 3 songs have 100k ULS (whereas popular songs used to have over 500K) and the rest of the top 100 is under 100k with some songs in the top 100 even having 30K uls, on top of a huge portion of the top 100 being filled with songs from even 2017~2022, trot songs and unpopular idol songs

 

the report that you linked never stated that apple music wasn't popular, it states that its user bases is limited to mostly apple users. also it's impossible to know the number of apple music user because the service is using the default music app on apple devices and apple does not communicate its numbers. the same report states that melon is strongly linked with fandom culture, just like i stated with my own words of it being an otaku platform lmfao 

The report linked from KOMCA also breaks down the market shares of U.S., U.K., Germany and Japan markets. Apple Music appears and is reported on all of them, but does not appear in Korean market share analysis, among the major service providers.

 

Again, no one disputed that Melon is no longer the most popular platform or losing popularity. Yet, by default, a platform cannot be "dead" if it is still the #2 platform, with a higher share of the market than all other services except YouTube Music and one of the largest libraries in Korea.

 

You criticized others for using Melon as a metric, stating that Apple Music is more popular and one of the two "most representative" platforms, but have provided no evidence to substantiate this, beyond "your experience".

 

Just now, Windy Day said:

 

i don't think i even once claimed it didn't have millions of users, i said that the melon charts wasn't representative of what's actually popular in korea. i also never stated apple music was a major platform, i said that in my experience, a LOT of people are using it, and its charts is the most reflective of what's actually popular in korea and that its charts was the most similar with youtube music's charts

 

which is why i said "youtube music will follow soon"

 

idk how hard it is to understand lmao, youtube music's official charts only updates once a week and apple music's charts is extremely similar with it so it's a good indicator to how the youtube charts will look like. i feel like some of yall are constantly acting dense on purpose just for the thrill of it

When a song is truly popular in Korea, the #1 on YouTube and Melon typically aligns and this is also important for iChart rankings, which would otherwise be functionally useless. If, as you suggest, Melon is wildly inaccurate regarding popularity of songs, iChart perfect all kills would be virtually impossible to attain and there would be constant discrepancies. Yet, there are plenty of examples that when a song truly smashes domestically, YouTube, Melon, Genie and FLO all tend to align on the #1 song. In fact, the most problematic and inaccurate chart is usually Bugs.

 

It's interesting that you've used the word "dense" here, when I've provided you with evidenced explanations for everything I've said, whilst all you've really provided are anecdotal rants that you and your friends don't use Melon because it's for "otaku losers" and "dead".

 

Please feel free to provide the evidence and data to support what you are saying about Apple Music though, it would be interesting to see if and how things are changing.

 

one of the best kpop albums of all time

 

 

They really are SM's weakest dancers when you think about it.

waiting for TWICE, LE SSERAFIM and STAYC european tour dates 

 

are we supposed to take spotify korea seriously when the charts are infested by fraudulent bots?

 

13 of top 20 are bts ugly twinks