Cloröx Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I mean 1989 era started poptimism and since that pop genre are well-received by critics but TTPD changed the tide. Billie you are next 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Yes. I say we put her on trial for MURDER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRibbon Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Thankfully she did, now she can move onto soft rock or folk or back to country and leave some of ATRL's faves (that don't have the range to do anything but pop) get panned into oblivion. 4 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercurialworld Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalism Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Yes but not you believing poptimism started in 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm653 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 In a way, it's possible but not necessarily because of TTPD per say. I think Taylor winning AOTY for Midnights which was a decent album but not AOTY material and the whole discourse around it made critics think twice about how their ratings and scores could affect those sort of outcomes. So, I think critics are now trying to become more balanced so that they're not seen as "paid off" or shills for the biggest pop stars. That's my own personal theory. At the same time, though, we have to see how other pop albums are graded for the rest of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 19 minutes ago, Cloröx said: I mean 1989 era started poptimism TTPD changed the tide. Well no. Look up Robyn's Body Talk or Beyoncé's ST. 19 minutes ago, Cloröx said: TTPD changed the tide. Well yes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathekr Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Taylor didn't start anything But hopefully the part of her ending it will be true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloröx Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Noodles said: Well no. Look up Robyn's Body Talk or Beyoncé's ST. Well yes! Body Talk is an anomaly, it's not strong enough to consider as trend starter. ST is not pop album to begin with. 1989 started poptimism and multiple publications acknowledged it https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2014/dec/03/taylor-swift-poptimism Edited May 3 by Cloröx 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnettakins Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I mean definitely deserved for giving us that PTSD album. The Tortured EARS Department more like 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Price of Fame Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 why do people think poptimism started with 1989 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Body Talk is an anomaly, it's not strong enough to consider as trend starter. ST is not pop album to begin with. 1989 started poptimism and multiple publications acknowledged it https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2014/dec/03/taylor-swift-poptimism Body Talk (which is still hailed by many as the best album of the whole decade) anomaly yada yada, ST (which is multi-genre including pop AND from a extremely mainstream artist, who was ALSO mentioned in that article you linked) is not pop yada yada. Well unfortunately you don't get to skip the hoops and squeezed your way into whatever conclusions you want to hear like that's not how it works. Those articles aren't history records, they're (incorrect) opinions 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.U.Y_Del_Rey Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 She declared Dua Lipa should be a smaller artist 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloröx Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Noodles said: Body Talk (which is still hailed by many as the best album of the whole decade) anomaly yada yada, ST (which is multi-genre including pop AND from a extremely mainstream artist, who was ALSO mentioned in that article you linked) is not pop yada yada. Well unfortunately you don't get to skip the hoops and squeezed your way into whatever conclusions you want to hear like that's not how it works. Those articles aren't history records, they're (incorrect) opinions I'm sorry I rather believing The Guardian than an ATRL user with wrong opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavish Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 It's poetic that the one who rebirthed poptism to reterminate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphy23 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) What's poptimism? TTPD is still pop. also yes the GP wants more raw, acoustic, instrumental songs now, over overproduced dance-pop. But at the end of the day it's still catchy pop music it's just more minimalist and raw. Edited May 3 by Raphy23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastedpotential Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Was poptimism a thing before 1989? Yes, but no one outside of the music criticism bubble gave a single **** Body Talk was a very good album that no one outside the Scandinavian or LGBT circles was consuming. 1989 was the first mainstream pop album with widespread appeal and success that benefitted from poptimism, and it certainly made the concept of poptimism mainstream. There's a conversation to be had about 1989 opening the door for mainstream, artistic, post-recession pop but I know y'all won't listen so I won't bother Whether TTPD killed it or not remains to be seen, and Dua Lipa's album probably isn't reflective of any broader trends. Just as the critics dumped on TTPD for coming from such a big artist, RO is taking a beating because it's following up the biggest pop era of the decade thus far. We'll have to see where other upcoming pop albums land, but ES made out fine, and if poptimism was really dying, it probably would've received a very different reception. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor fanboy Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 REALLY? When she's about to release reputation TV? I blame Jack Antonoff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 The duality of a woman. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielneira Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Sometimes I feel like we need to sit down and discuss what poptimism really is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suilen Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I guess it was about time as some reviews/scores were getting ridiculous, a shame that Dua had to be the first victim though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brraap Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Sabrina bought it back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiliam Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Once again, Miss Taylor will take all the blame and this time she will be hanged for miss Dua`s dud album But it`s the Swifties who love to play victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Yes. She's the Alpha, the Omega, and everything in between. Her and only her can create and destroy. And I'm not even joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainwreck Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 The gays trying to blame Taylor for the floppage of their faves for the 1989x time this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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