TXT, SKZ, ITZY, (G)I-DLE, aespa and all of them feel like they all belong to the same generation and I'd say they feel more like 3rd gen. 4th Gen truly feels like it started with IVE as that felt like there was continued success.

lbr this generation thing only became important because almost every record is owned by BTS (and BP)

there is a reason why you never see fans brag about “first 3rd gen group to…” records

 

and if 4th gen really started in 2020 then the previous groups like txt, skz and itzy will lose 95% of their records

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by hallucinate

3 minutes ago, Xalric said:

Beyoncé is niche to black people then  

Beyonce has a dozen and more hits in Asia or Europe or literally every corner of the world. She is a much bigger name than BTS or Bad Bunny.

2 minutes ago, Sept said:

That's why they are gen 3.5. Similar to how an influx of groups like APink, EXID, AOA, HELLOVENUS,  debuted around 2011-12 

 

As u said, it became dry around 2019-2020, and only truly kick-started in late 2021/2022 with IVE, Kep1er, NMIXX, LSRF, NewJeans, XG etc.

It didn't kickstarted in late 2021, only 2 groups more in 2022 than 2021 and most of them are already in the talk of disbandment. This time around the big companies which usually kickstart the generations debuted late.

YG still needs to debut a 4th gen gg, and SM still needs to debut a 4th gen bg before we can move on to 5th gen. Generations are always centered around the Big 3. So it’s not really up for a MNET flop Survival group  that’s going to disband in 2.5 years, to decide whether we are in a new generation or not, just because they don’t wanna be compared to SKZ and TXT 
 

Though imagine if we were to move generations already, which means that YG will not have a gg representative and SM will not have a bg representative in the 4th gen 

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Pluto2022

mothers are mothering again 

 

 

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Fanta

mothers 

 

42 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

lbr this generation thing only became important because almost every record is owned by BTS (and BP) there is a reason why you never see fans brag about “first 3rd gen group to…” records and if 4th gen really started in 2020 then the previous groups like txt, skz and itzy will lose 95% of their records

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by kendoll2001

Jisoo is having one hell of a 2023 

 

55 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said:

Worldwide. Bad Bunny is obviously a mainstream household name among Latin countries/communities, just like BTS is obviously mainstream in Asia, but outside of their target audiences, both acts are niche.

Regueton/trap Latin music are not notche at all, their global I think just Africa don't listen that genres too much

7 minutes ago, Selenasworld said:

Regueton/trap Latin music are not notche at all, their global I think just Africa don't listen that genres too much

Bad Bunny is a no show in European charts though, his presence in the Uk for example is nonexistent.

NCT Dream should be 4th gen, I mean the SK guys are older than them

one day closer to jisoo global domination 

Yaas bops, little to no snoozes, wanna hear the title track though.

 

 

1 more month to aepril

 

Drop the preorder links (and world tour) already, SM/HYBE, our wallet are ready

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by newaespa

9 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said:

Bad Bunny is a no show in European charts though, his presence in the Uk for example is nonexistent.

Spain is not in Europe?

 

Plus, I heard him a lot on French biggest radios, just like J balvin,OZUNA, Rosalia etcc. Reggaeton is not a niche in Europe, it’s actually one of the popular genre.

 

1 hour ago, Bonjourtristesse said:

Worldwide. Bad Bunny is obviously a mainstream household name among Latin countries/communities, just like BTS is obviously mainstream in Asia, but outside of their target audiences, both acts are niche.

He’s the most streamed artist on Spotify for a 3rd year. He’s well know worlwide now. 
 

Agree for Asia,but not for the rest. 

Edited February 28, 20233 yr by Adama

I always thought that IZ*LEGENDS started the 4th gen for ggs and ITZY and Girdle were 3.5, just like AoA and AQueens were 2.5.

3 hours ago, kendoll2001 said:

Bep1er (Back Door Unit) on Studio Choom soon 

Kim Jiwoong already the 5th Gen #1 It Boy

They were so good

 

Jongwoo the center only got 1 star? 
 

Main vocal in this group, Yunseo is Nayeonce’s cousin right?

 

Jiwoong abs 

 

I never like this song but they made me watch their version on YT so many times

17 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said:

NCT Dream should be 4th gen, I mean the SK guys are older than them

according to this logic Blackpink is 4th gen too

11 minutes ago, newaespa said:

1 more month to aepril

 

Drop the preorder links (and world tour) already, SM/HYBE, our wallet are ready

The problem is, it seems like most (if not all) of the album has been revealed at the concert.

 

I'm concerned that they'll suffer from the same issue GOT did by having the music out way too early. Hopefully they didn't perform the title track at the concert so at least there's some surprise left.

 

2 minutes ago, SRIRACHA said:

I always thought that IZ*LEGENDS started the 4th gen for ggs and ITZY and Girdle were 3.5, just like AoA and AQueens were 2.5.

IZ*FRAUD debuted before ITZY so that doesn't make sense.

I think there's a case for .5 gens existing though, in which case they would be in 3.5 gen and (G)I-DLE, ITZY etc. would also be there too.

1 minute ago, Flomik said:

according to this logic Blackpink is 4th gen too

Since when are they younger than the members of Aespa, IVE, Les Serafim, NewJeans, Itzy, StayC? 

This is good

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Adama said:

Spain is not in Europe?

 

Plus, I heard him a lot on French biggest radios, just like J balvin,OZUNA, Rosalia etcc. Reggaeton is not a niche in Europe, it’s actually one of the popular genre.

 

He’s the most streamed artist on Spotify for a 3rd year. He’s well know worlwide now. 
 

Agree for Asia,but not for the rest. 

There are more non-Spanish speaking countries in Europe. For example, his latest album peaked at #23 in France & #35 in Germany. Of course he's very successful, but his success is rather concentrated in certain demographics. The point I was trying to make is that popstars used to omnipresent across the globe. Nowadays, their presences are much more fractured. The biggest artists in Latin America can be mostly unknown in Asia and vice versa, whereas people everywhere could agree that Rihanna is one of the world's biggest popstar. 

10 minutes ago, SRIRACHA said:

I always thought that IZ*LEGENDS started the 4th gen for ggs and ITZY and Girdle were 3.5, just like AoA and AQueens were 2.5.

Most people count them as 4th gen but I like to think of it as IZ*WON giving birth to the 4th gen 

3 minutes ago, Zack said:

The problem is, it seems like most (if not all) of the album has been revealed at the concert.

 

I'm concerned that they'll suffer from the same issue GOT did by having the music out way too early. Hopefully they didn't perform the title track at the concert so at least there's some surprise left.

 

IZ*FRAUD debuted before ITZY so that doesn't make sense.

I think there's a case for .5 gens existing though, in which case they would be in 3.5 gen and (G)I-DLE, ITZY etc. would also be there too.

OMG....you're so right!!

 

I don't know why ITZY seemed much older to me...or maybe it's because a lot of the 4th gen groups were formed with the IZ*CHARTS ladies.

 

I, too, think there's a case for a 3.5 gen.