16 hours ago, Panda17 said:

 

Is Hyein recognized as the weakest dancer by fans? That's kinda what this clip was telling me.

7 hours ago, Pluto2022 said:

 

The way Enhypen are the newest of these groups, yet they're already up there with the big dogs. Who else is doing it like them? Nobody 

4 hours ago, youresotoxic said:

When did he clean up his image as a h*e that they're willing to release solo singles for him? 

3 hours ago, DelRey said:

They are the NOISE PRINT

 

But I'm always wonder why most bg follow their sound If their songs flop in the charts everytime? 

They're just that impactul henny 

2 hours ago, hallucinate said:

I hate that Baddie isn't doing as well because Yujin shines in these types of concepts.

12 minutes ago, Sheegs said:

Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then.

I miss when Onehallyu.com was popping. It's like a graveyard there now 😕 

1 minute ago, lgaga1fan said:

 Im talking about 3rd gen and RED VELVET (a talking point you ******* brought up but are too dense to check and verify despite bringing it up). Twice & Blackpink have been signed to US labels for YEARS, RV hasn't. RV was actively stifled to make way for a more global group which is what aespa is meant to serve as. 

Wonder Girls made music in English and had distribution through American labels. BoA had a push in the US marker LONG before groups like BTS and Exo even debuted, and distribution deals in Japan much earlier. Acting like Kpop wasnt attempting to break into the US/International marketpalce outside of Asia and that there weren't active progressive steps to doing so is extremely incredulous. 

Wonder girls did not ******* flop after Nobody. They toured the world and had SEVERAL successful singles in Korea. Even their disbanding single went #1 on Gaon despite them being completely over at that point. I'm not the one LARPing when you can go and ******* read the chart numbers and single sales for yourself. YOURE larping by never coming in here and engaging with us, only to come and start fighting over your own righteous stance of being "around" longer than us. Your stan goggles have clouded you to the point where you cant even recognize Wonder Girls active success (especially given the generation they were in). 

 

SNSD "higher revenue" sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If you took any ******* time to read my reply instead of being entirely reactionary and dense you'd read that I said this:

 

You're attempting to strawman me and other users into here into being completely invalid in our discourse on topics that have verifiable evidence behind them despite never being active in this thread. Its very obvious and boring. We have much more interesting conversations in here about male idols armpits than whatever "discourse? you're trying to enlighten us on. 

Red Velvet and Aespa weren't even thought out, they were debuted when other girl groups had scandals

Dating with Tyler Kwon revealed:  Mar 12, 2014

Jessica and Krystal TV series ends: Aug 5, 2014

B&E established (funded by Tyler Kwon):  August 9, 2014

Red Velvet debuts:  August 1, 2014

 

Wendy breaks pelvis and arm: Dec 26, 2019 (hiatus until 2021)

Irene shoe scandal: Oct 21, 2020

Aespa debut: Nov 17, 2020

 

It takes months to choreograph, film a music video, and brand a group and SM releases groups when their main group has scandals, this is well known

 

JYP says Wonder Girls advancement into USA didn't make any sense on MBC (aka a FLOP): Sep 14, 2013

 

the bob is extremely iconic and became her signature look but it’s nice to see her with long hair once in a while 

1 minute ago, applestar said:

Red Velvet and Aespa weren't even thought out, they were debuted when other girl groups had scandals

Dating with Tyler Kwon revealed:  Mar 12, 2014

Jessica and Krystal TV series ends: Aug 5, 2014

B&E established (funded by Tyler Kwon):  August 9, 2014

Red Velvet debuts:  August 1, 2014

 

Wendy breaks pelvis and arm: Dec 26, 2019 (hiatus until 2021)

Irene shoe scandal: Oct 21, 2020

Aespa debut: Nov 17, 2020

 

It takes months to choreograph, film a music video, and brand a group and SM releases groups when their main group has scandals, this is well known

 

JYP says Wonder Girls advancement into USA didn't make any sense on MBC (aka a FLOP): Sep 14, 2013

 

You're arguing like three different points in a single post and its entirely incoherent. If you could take the time to format and communicate your thoughts clearly (abilities id assume youd have on a forum as a member for over a year and an alleged member of other fan forums for years), maybe we could have an actual conversation here. You keep bringing random stats + figures into arguments that I am not even referring to to make a point, and on top of that are taking quotes from the most RANDOM allkpop/soompi/other koreaboo forums to try and gag me. Im genuinely so confused by this conversation. 

Every kpop fan on planet earth knows RV was rushed out the door because of EXO scandals and had fuckall to do with jawsica jung. I guess we know why this troll is so desperate to accuse others of being uninformed new fans now

I know I didn’t see someone bring up Hara in some petty stan bullsh!t on the last page or so

 

absolute sewer-dwelling troglodyte behavior

1 minute ago, lgaga1fan said:

You're arguing like three different points in a single post and its entirely incoherent. If you could take the time to format and communicate your thoughts clearly (abilities id assume youd have on a forum as a member for over a year and an alleged member of other fan forums for years), maybe we could have an actual conversation here. You keep bringing random stats + figures into arguments that I am not even referring to to make a point, and on top of that are taking quotes from the most RANDOM allkpop/soompi/other koreaboo forums to try and gag me. Im genuinely so confused by this conversation. 

New kpop stans can't read apparently, it's even colorcoded

 

You said that Red Velvet was stifled for Aespa, a group that the members and the lineup wasn't even present at the company at that time. Only until Irene was a monster and Wendy broke her bones, they released this underthought BP copy. If you paid attention to SM rookies, almost all the teased girls were not in aespa. And SM rookies was there for years

 

You cannot stifle RV for aespa if aespa doesn't exist, and was only made to divert attention from their main visual yelling at a stylist

 

My point was, neither RV or aespa was thought out. Even RVs concept, "the red" and "the velvet" fell apart within a couple of years. And OFC SM would not want to give RV a distribution deal; they debuted a year before Twice, and 2 years before BP, and they undersold both despite being the first group in an uncompetitive GG market (2NE1, SNSD, and WG inactive, T-ara dating scandals, KARA member issues)

5 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

I know I didn’t see someone bring up Hara in some petty stan bullsh!t on the last page or so

 

absolute sewer-dwelling troglodyte behavior

You didn't even know Hara or her group within the past few years, stop clutching your pearls, such narcissistic behavior

 

And it was other people bringing up how unsuccessful 2nd generation girl groups are compared to SNSD. Well duh, some groups literally suffered tragedy and its stupid to compare them. I didn't bring that up.

 

People who can't read and LARP as old kpop stans is narcissistic "trogolodyte" behavior. If you say SNSD stands on the heads of other 2nd gen girl groups, YES, you are bringing ALL 2nd gen girl groups, INCLUDING KARA and f(x) and even Ladies Code depending on who you ask

9 minutes ago, Sheep said:

Every kpop fan on planet earth knows RV was rushed out the door because of EXO scandals and had fuckall to do with jawsica jung. I guess we know why this troll is so desperate to accuse others of being uninformed new fans now

Explain the Tyler Kwon timeliine, AND why would they release a girl group for EXO, when girl groups UNDERSELL compared to boy groups

 

LMAO EXO funds RV, and all the boy groups that you hate

The 'in this thriller, i'm the villain' line is so good

too bad the song is mid

 

How does this person even know I hate boy groups? Who's dupe is this.

yeah im not arguing with someone trying to justify bringing up someone’s passing to a dumb stan argument about their faves

 

another one for the ignore list and nothing of value is lost 

28 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

The way Enhypen are the newest of these groups, yet they're already up there with the big dogs. Who else is doing it like them? Nobody 

 

I've noticed something funny about ENGENES. They often emphasize ENHYPEN's status as the youngest/newest group, almost as if they're still rookies, even though it's been three years since their debut, and in any group lineup someone has to be the "newest" group, which can be everyone depending on the lineup. 

It's interesting to note that ENHYPEN and aespa made their debuts just two weeks apart and ENHYPEN only debuted 1 year after TXT.

 

However, this emphasis on being rookies isn't as prevalent among fans of NewJeans, IVE, and LE SSERAFIM, who all debuted just last year. Like how long are Engenes gonna pull the "newest" card, cause ENHYPEN are already semi hags in Kpop years at this point.

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Pluto2022

1 minute ago, cloudbusting said:

yeah im not arguing with someone trying to justify bringing up someone’s passing to a dumb stan argument about their faves

 

another one for the ignore list and nothing of value is lost 

Just say you can't read and typical Irene stan behavior, just like your idol

19 minutes ago, applestar said:

New kpop stans can't read apparently, it's even colorcoded

 

You said that Red Velvet was stifled for Aespa, a group that the members and the lineup wasn't even present at the company at that time. Only until Irene was a monster and Wendy broke her bones, they released this underthought BP copy. If you paid attention to SM rookies, almost all the teased girls were not in aespa. And SM rookies was there for years

 

You cannot stifle RV for aespa if aespa doesn't exist, and was only made to divert attention from their main visual yelling at a stylist

 

My point was, neither RV or aespa was thought out. Even RVs concept, "the red" and "the velvet" fell apart within a couple of years. And OFC SM would not want to give RV a distribution deal; they debuted a year before Twice, and 2 years before BP, and they undersold both despite being the first group in an uncompetitive GG market (2NE1, SNSD, and WG inactive, T-ara dating scandals, KARA member issues)

They were. The second they had a scandal SM rushed aespa out after having them on the backburner for months. A year before that Capitol records wanted to sign Red Velvet and SM denied the request. 

 

‘뮤콘 2019’ 니콜 프란츠 “슈퍼엠 프로젝트? 해외서 K팝 성장 가능성 봤다” - 스타투데이 (mk.co.kr)

Instead they pushed NCT/SuperM in the Us and left RV to promote in Korea where they would go on hiatus bc of Wendys injury (a point that you were able to communicate poorly in your attempt). I shouldn't have to educate such a longtime fan of the group Red Velvet on this simple fact now should I. It's not a coincidence that aespa cosigned with a US label a year after debut, and its not a coincidence that every 3rd gen group onward at SM has had some sort of US distribution deal. SM knew they had a girl group ready to debut and wanted to push them worldwide and that's what's been happening. 

 

Ningning, Winter and Karina were ALL at the company and Giselle was cast in 2019 and they began finalizing the lineup for a debut. Black Mamba's MV was shot in late 2019/early 2020 before getting reshot before their debut later that year. SM Rookies was not ALL of the trainees. Im sure such an educated stan as yourself who has been a long time fan would know this information but you clearly dont. Here's a LOVELY Koreaboo article that details this process since you're clearly incapable of using popular web browsers like "Google", or "Bing".

Aespa Get Real About Why They Didn’t Think They Would Get To Debut When They Were Trainees - Koreaboo

 

Red Velvet consistently bags highs streams and domestic hits despite having much lower production budget than their peers. They have songs eligible for gold certs in the US and have some of the highest streams in their company. They quite literally peaked less than 12 months before aespa debuted with Psycho (a song that charted all year and made the Gaon year end chart for 2020) and that year (2019) could have been a watershed moment for them to have a global push, especially considering ALL of them resigned to the company. SM consistently printed less albums than RV was selling (and continue to to this day) They were collaborating with US artists like Ellie Goulding and John Legend. It's not a stretch to say that they could have had a Global push and were actively stifled in that approach for a new group (clearly aespa) to come in. SM (and all kpop companies) are run by men who have shown their ass in promoting multiple female groups simultaneously. Its very obvious what happened and just because you can't see past your own logic doesn't mean its a conspiracy or nonexistent theory. 

aespa's debut was entirely thought out and had a wealth of literal lore attached to it and they continually release music from pre-debut eras as their TITLE TRACKS. The only title track of theirs that is not an English single from that batch of demos is Girls, which was an NCT demo. Their group was very obviously planned and they have had several writing camp sessions and marketing sessions to form an identity, an identity that has proceeded through ALL of their comebacks.

 

So, what can we learn from this post that I've coherently written? You clearly don't have a grasp on what youre talking about despite attempting to have a "conversation" and are out of youre ******* league here. Stop speaking on **** you clearly know NOTHING about. I wish I could speak so boldly and loudly on topics like you do without doing more than a simple google search to fact check my bullshit and start fights with people in here. Go back to the discord you crawled out of. I'm done engaging with you on this fine Sunday afternoon. 

 

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by lgaga1fan

the choreo, cinematography and even the roll out of this song were so perfect

people don't talk about it enough

 

 

the only thing that's lacking, after a couple months, is the chorus. it falls flat

 

PinkPantheress new bop has a similar hook but executed better. now that she's flopping she should A&R NewJeans newest record

 

also i don’t always agree with sister @Sheep, but trying to frame them as a  “FaKe AnD nEw FaN!!!!!” of SNSD or almost any of the SM girl groups has to be one of the most braindead takes ktrl has ever seen

 

whats next, @Zack accused of being Nayeon’s obsessed stalker? 

2 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

the choreo, cinematography and even the roll out of this song were so perfect

people don't talk about it enough

 

 

the only thing that's lacking, after a couple months, is the chorus. it falls flat

 

PinkPantheress new bop has a similar hook but executed better. now that she's flopping she should A&R NewJeans newest record

 

it’s funny you say this because just today I was thinking about how this song has grown on me from like an 8 to a 9.5 lately 

All this old stan talk made me check my childhood email 

this is nowhere near all the forums i signed up to 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also.... 

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

I've noticed something funny about ENGENES. They often emphasize ENHYPEN's status as the youngest/newest group, almost as if they're still rookies, even though it's been three years since their debut, and in any group lineup someone has to be the "newest" group, which can be everyone depending on the lineup. 

It's interesting to note that ENHYPEN and aespa made their debuts just two weeks apart and ENHYPEN only debuted 1 year after TXT.

 

However, this emphasis on being rookies isn't as prevalent among fans of NewJeans, IVE, and LE SSERAFIM, who all debuted just last year. Like how long are Engenes gonna pull the "newest" card, cause ENHYPEN are already semi hags in Kpop years at this point.

Can't I just br happy for my YOUTHFUL and not HAG group without this paragraph? You wax poetic about Stray Kids 24/7 about their stats all the time. Leave me alone.

Just now, lgaga1fan said:

They were. The second they had a scandal SM rushed aespa out after having them on the backburner for months. A year before that Capitol records wanted to sign Red Velvet and SM denied the request. 

 

‘뮤콘 2019’ 니콜 프란츠 “슈퍼엠 프로젝트? 해외서 K팝 성장 가능성 봤다” - 스타투데이 (mk.co.kr)

Instead they pushed NCT/SuperM in the Us and left RV to promote in Korea where they would go on hiatus bc of Wendys injury (a point that you were able to communicate poorly in your attempt). I shouldn't have to educate such a longtime fan of the group Red Velvet on this simple fact now should I. It's not a coincidence that aespa cosigned with a US label a year after debut, and its not a coincidence that every 3rd gen group onward at SM has had some sort of US distribution deal. SM knew they had a girl group ready to debut and wanted to push them worldwide and that's what's been happening. 

 

Ningning, Winter and Karina were ALL at the company and Giselle was cast in 2019 and they began finalizing the lineup for a debut. Black Mamba's MV was shot in late 2019/early 2020 before getting reshot before their debut later that year. SM Rookies was not ALL of the trainees. Im sure such an educated stan as yourself who has been a long time fan would know this information but you clearly dont. Here's a LOVELY Koreaboo article that details this process since you're clearly incapable of using popular web browsers like "Google", or "Bing".

Aespa Get Real About Why They Didn’t Think They Would Get To Debut When They Were Trainees - Koreaboo

 

Red Velvet consistently bags highs streams and domestic hits despite having much lower production budget than their peers. They have songs eligible for gold certs in the US and have some of the highest streams in their company. They quite literally peaked when aespa debuted with Psycho and that year could have been a watershed moment for them to have a global push, especially considering ALL of them resigned to the company. SM consistently printed less albums than RV was selling (and continue to to this day) They were collaborating with US artists like Ellie Goulding and John Legend. It's not a stretch to say that they could have had a Global push and were actively stifled in that approach for a new group (clearly aespa) to come in. SM (and all kpop companies) are run by men who have shown their ass in promoting multiple female groups simultaneously. Its very obvious what happened and just because you can't see past your own logic doesn't mean its a conspiracy or nonexistent theory. 

aespa's debut was entirely thought out and had a wealth of literal lore attached to it and they continually release music from pre-debut eras as their TITLE TRACKS. The only title track of theirs that is not an English single from that batch of demos is Girls, which was an NCT demo. Their group was very obviously planned and they have had several writing camp sessions and marketing sessions to form an identity, an identity that has proceeded through ALL of their comebacks.

 

So, what can we learn from this post that I've coherently written? You clearly don't have a grasp on what youre talking about despite attempting to have a "conversation" and are out of youre ******* league here. Stop speaking on **** you clearly know NOTHING about. I wish I could speak so boldly and loudly on topics like you do without doing more than a simple google search to fact check my bullshit and start fights with people in here. Go back to the discord you crawled out of. I'm done engaging with you on this fine Sunday afternoon. 

 

RV came out at a time where there was NO HYBE, BTS wasn't even big, there was no competition, and still, the national girl groups are TWICE and BLACKPINK

 

You can say they don't have a budget compared to their peers, but they were literally given a two year head start, Min Hee Jin packaging, SNSD sisterhood and right after EXOs very successful debut and Growl, company legacy, and STILL nobody thinks of them as the national girl group

 

Maybe the group is just underthought and bad??? Even their lightsticks don't make sense. Even in their dying throes they were releasing such hits as ... umpah umpah... and... power up ... and REALLY REALLY bad boy

 

Literally TWICE and BP have a garden of hits compared to RV and BP has like the smallest discography ever. SM knows this.

 

Also SuperM was to compete with BTS, BGs literally just fund your girl groups it doesn't make sense to bring them up here and different markets buy them anyway

 

Lee Soo Man wasn't even thinking of aespa back in 2014, he was trying to get another big group and handle his member scandals, but RV underperformed with Happiness

 

"had a wealth of literal lore" there's no "wealth of lore" it's just repeating kwangya in every song where they're running away from a giant snake but apparently that's great well-thought storytelling to you

 

also, SM entertainment has been dying because most of the SM rookies that were hyped literally went to HYBE or to China. aespa was not some carefully crafted group, they just wanted to debut Karina before she left. You can't carefully craft something if your ace trainees leave for HYBE or something else (Lami, xu yiyang)

2 minutes ago, applestar said:

Lee Soo Man wasn't even thinking of aespa back in 2014

Congratulations on this groundbreaking observation. You deserve a gold star, here.

Just now, Sheep said:

Congratulations on this groundbreaking observation. You deserve a gold star, here.

Your friend said that RV was literally stifled for aespa, a group that didn't exist, I will pass this gold star to your friend

hope this queen is doing okay, her hiatus seems really weird considering her company has music ready to go and she’s apparently the one who decided to step back