1 minute ago, applestar said:

Why is SM entertainment not the powerhouse company that it was in 2010

 

Because Red Velvet gave the GG crown to Twice and BP, Jessica left SNSD, Kris/Tao/Luhan left EXO, and all SM could do is Beatburger level tracks

 

6 years ago was 2017, new kpop fan. SNSD was on hiatus by then. If you weren't there before BTSs debut, don't speak on old kpop. Old kpop = SM entertainment &  YG were the biggest powerhouse, no HYBE, JYP decline

 

Just because you stan SNSD post Jessica leaving doesn't mean you were actually there, and you have no idea what you are talking about

RV hardly had a crown and still bag consistent domestic hits. They weren't signed to international distribution deals l;ike BP/Twice and have been actively stifled throughout their career. Also lets not pretend that JYP didn't have success before Twice because that's VERY stupid to say. Wonder Girls paved the way for that company stylistically and artistically and their acts still continually follow the sound and trends that group helped to pioneer.

 

SM has a much higher annual revenue NOW than they did at their "peak" as a powerhouse in 2010. Their songs are charting on WORLDWIDE charts, their acts are touring WORLDWIDE, theyre acts are selling more albums than they ever have. Same goes for every Kpop company rn. The industry is growing rapidly in consumption habits. 

 

3 minutes ago, applestar said:

Receipts for 2010 stanning because I don't see it. Who was the most popular member then and what were they known for? Should be easy to answer.

 

Also SM entertainment robs their loyal fanbases (EXO-Ls, SONES, ELFs) for aespa comebacks and duh SNSD could fill out a stadium (because SNSD is literally the childhood and adulthoods of most Korean people). Yall keep comparing them to groups with literally dead members (KARA), but thats not what I'm talking about

 

SNSD was never more successful without Jessica and every old kpop fan knows this

 Oh so YOURE stuck in the past talking about older fanbases being stifled because you're made that new groups exist so you have to retroactively dump on older groups while simultaneously undervaluing the impact of new acts. Idk! Considering you are never active here idk how you have the moral authority over people and their consumption habits with stanning. It's giving superiority complex. 

1 minute ago, applestar said:

Receipts for 2010 stanning because I don't see it. Who was the most popular member then and what were they known for? Should be easy to answer.

 

Also SM entertainment robs their loyal fanbases (EXO-Ls, SONES, ELFs) for aespa comebacks and duh SNSD could fill out a stadium (because SNSD is literally the childhood and adulthoods of most Korean people). Yall keep comparing them to groups with literally dead members (KARA), but thats not what I'm talking about

 

SNSD was never more successful without Jessica and every old kpop fan knows this

 

 

Anyway

 

 

since  the Music Industry is coming back next month.  Prepare your wallets and weaves

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

oh it's an ELF. This makes sense.

No, but ig to new kpop fans any 2nd gen stan who isn't a new kpop stan LARPing as an old kpop stan just because they know 2 songs performed at MAMA is an ELF

 

You only know old kpop songs because Sunghoon and IVE covered them, don't speak on old kpop

The growth 

 

2 minutes ago, applestar said:

No, but ig to new kpop fans any 2nd gen stan who isn't a new kpop stan LARPing as an old kpop stan just because they know 2 songs performed at MAMA is an ELF

 

You only know old kpop songs because Sunghoon and IVE covered them, don't speak on old kpop

anyway this was the oldest account I could remember the password for and still exists and its one of the forums I had thousands of posts on in the early 10s. Go touch grass ELF. There's a reason we chased your kind off the internet.

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Sheep

I'm not feeling much IVE new album, around their fourth comeback the 3rd gen gave us songs like signal, decalcomanie, rookie and kill this love, all in their own lane. The 4th gen needs to step it up, some are giving a collection of songs that can be sung by any other group with tiktok choreos and no identity

2 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

RV hardly had a crown and still bag consistent domestic hits. They weren't signed to international distribution deals l;ike BP/Twice and have been actively stifled throughout their career. Also lets not pretend that JYP didn't have success before Twice because that's VERY stupid to say. Wonder Girls paved the way for that company stylistically and artistically and their acts still continually follow the sound and trends that group helped to pioneer.

 

SM has a much higher annual revenue NOW than they did at their "peak" as a powerhouse in 2010. Their songs are charting on WORLDWIDE charts, their acts are touring WORLDWIDE, theyre acts are selling more albums than they ever have. Same goes for every Kpop company rn. The industry is growing rapidly in consumption habits. 

 

 Oh so YOURE stuck in the past talking about older fanbases being stifled because you're made that new groups exist so you have to retroactively dump on older groups while simultaneously undervaluing the impact of new acts. Idk! Considering you are never active here idk how you have the moral authority over people and their consumption habits with stanning. It's giving superiority complex. 

LMAO.

 

International distribution deals?? In second gen?? Pre-BTS? The only "international" deal was to JAPAN and CHINA. This is literally why Twice has Japanese members and EXO had Chinese members, despite Korea's horrible history with those countries.

 

Wonder Girls literally flopped after Nobody, this is well known. this is why JYP was always scared of expanding West, because Wonder Girls literally gave SNSD and T-ARA and opening by doing that.

 

SNSD has a higher annual revenue now because there are just more kpop fans who entered thanks to BTS and BP (YOU). Yes, they are worldwide, because Hallyu is worldwide (and not just PSY) anymore

 

STOP THE LARPING!!! Its embarrassing!!

I was not in the ******* trenches when people's first response to hearing you listen to Korean music was a genuinely concerned "North or South" at 12 years old for some belieber/ELF homunculus mentally ill republican man apologist freak to come in and call me not a SONE. I wasn't a day one because my age was literally in the single digits on debut but I was close enough.

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Sheep

2 minutes ago, Sheep said:

anyway this was the oldest account I could remember the password for and still exists and its one of the forums I had thousands of posts on in the early 10s. Go touch grass ELF. There's a reason we chased your kind off the internet.

not ALLKPOP  Mess I had an account there as well 

 

 

ONEHALLYU is so much better  but that site is now dead 

7 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

 

 

Anyway

 

 

since  the Music Industry is coming back next month.  Prepare your wallets and weaves

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LMAO you cant even answer who the most popular SNSD member was in 2010 and what they were known for HAHA

 

Stop LARPing!!! Why do new kpop stans pretend to be from a different time period then they are? If BP brought you into KPOP, then stop LARPing as a SONE in 2010

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

I was not in the ******* trenches when people's first response to hearing you listen to Korean music was a genuinely concerned "North or South" at 12 years old for some belieber/ELF homunculus mentally ill republican man apologist freak to come in and call me not a SONE. I wasn't a day one because my age was literally in the single digits on debut but I was close enough.

Your idols literally stan Bieber, did you miss the weverse concert?

 

And I'm more of a SONE than you because at least I was there at their peak in 2010 LMAO

3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

not ALLKPOP  Mess I had an account there as well 

 

 

ONEHALLYU is so much better  but that site is now dead 

OH was an even worse KTRL but it was funny when I was a child.

8 minutes ago, Sheep said:

anyway this was the oldest account I could remember the password for and still exists and its one of the forums I had thousands of posts on in the early 10s. Go touch grass ELF. There's a reason we chased your kind off the internet.

Inspect element and stop LARPing. There's nothing wrong with being introduced to Kpop by dududu stop being ashamed of your true kpop origins

I'm proud to say that BLACKPINK played a pivotal role in my introduction to K-pop in 2020, and without them, I may not have discovered my other favorite K-pop groups. I sometimes humorously remark that new K-pop enthusiasts like myself need to shake things up a bit, as discussions among long-time fans are beginning to resemble the debates seen among Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera fans back in 2003

 

2 minutes ago, applestar said:

Inspect element and stop LARPing. There's nothing wrong with being introduced to Kpop by dududu stop being ashamed of your true kpop origins

I'm literally known in this thread for being a disgruntled Blackjack who hates blinks. 

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

OH was an even worse KTRL but it was funny when I was a child.

 

 

Lowkey missed all the trolling and stuff in that site

 

 

 

Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then.

1 minute ago, Sheep said:

I'm literally known in this thread for being a disgruntled Blackjack who hates blinks. 

 Now the fake 21 stanning please I cannot deal with new kpop fans. Just because you were appalled that papa yg called 2ne1 ugly does not a blackjack make. Please log off and listen to as if its last you are embarrassing

41 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

me too

i think there might be a drop in the chorus

The teaser snippet kinda has me hyped tbh because it sounds a bit cvnty 

 

1 hour ago, Odette Violet said:

 

 

The Hags are still out here racking followers, touring worldwide, getting praises/acclaim and competing with the new girls 

 

the way IU has 31M followers but this article has no mention of her…..I guess she ain’t an idol. Also where is Suzy, Hyuna, Sunmi, Somi? They could easily make this list too. Especially since they included Hyeri.

 

anyway, the top 30 most followed female idols according to this list:

 

1. Lisa Blackpink  98.2M

2. Jennie Blackpink  81.7M

3. Jisoo Blackpink  75.9M

4. Rose Blackpink  74.3M

5. Taeyeon SNSD  18.9M

6. Yoona SNSD  16.9M

7. Tiffany SNSD  15.9M

8. Joy Red Velvet  14.5M

9. Momo TWICE  13.3M

10. Seulgi Red Velvet  13M

11. Tzuyu TWICE  12.4M

12. Nayeon TWICE  11.8M

13. Irene Red Velvet  11.5M

14. Sana TWICE  11.1M

15. Yeri Red Velvet  10.9M

16. Jihyo TWICE  9.9M

17. Wonyoung IVE  9.76M

18. Chaeyoung TWICE  9.72M

19. Sakura LESSERAFIM  9.4M

20. Mina TWICE  9.3M

21. Hwasa Mamamoo  9.1M

22. Dahyun TWICE  8.9M

23. Seohyun SNSD  8.1M

24. Hyeri Girl’s Day  8M

25. Jeongyeon TWICE  8M

26. Yuqi G-IDLE  8.02M

27. Wendy Red Velvet  7.9M

28. Sooyoung SNSD  7.7M

29. Chaewon LESSERAFIM  7.6M

30. Yunjin LESSERAFIM  7.3M

Wonyoung the highest 4th gen female here 
also imagine if the Twice girlies had their accounts opened since the beginning  

5 minutes ago, applestar said:

LMAO.

 

International distribution deals?? In second gen?? Pre-BTS? The only "international" deal was to JAPAN and CHINA. This is literally why Twice has Japanese members and EXO had Chinese members, despite Korea's horrible history with those countries.

 

Wonder Girls literally flopped after Nobody, this is well known. this is why JYP was always scared of expanding West, because Wonder Girls literally gave SNSD and T-ARA and opening by doing that.

 

SNSD has a higher annual revenue now because there are just more kpop fans who entered thanks to BTS and BP (YOU). Yes, they are worldwide, because Hallyu is worldwide (and not just PSY) anymore

 

STOP THE LARPING!!! Its embarrassing!!

 Im talking about 3rd gen and RED VELVET (a talking point you ******* brought up but are too dense to check and verify despite bringing it up). Twice & Blackpink have been signed to US labels for YEARS, RV hasn't. RV was actively stifled to make way for a more global group which is what aespa is meant to serve as. 

Wonder Girls made music in English and had distribution through American labels. BoA had a push in the US marker LONG before groups like BTS and Exo even debuted, and distribution deals in Japan much earlier. Acting like Kpop wasnt attempting to break into the US/International marketpalce outside of Asia and that there weren't active progressive steps to doing so is extremely incredulous. 

Wonder girls did not ******* flop after Nobody. They toured the world and had SEVERAL successful singles in Korea. Even their disbanding single went #1 on Gaon despite them being completely over at that point. I'm not the one LARPing when you can go and ******* read the chart numbers and single sales for yourself. YOURE larping by never coming in here and engaging with us, only to come and start fighting over your own righteous stance of being "around" longer than us. Your stan goggles have clouded you to the point where you cant even recognize Wonder Girls active success (especially given the generation they were in). 

 

SNSD "higher revenue" sentence doesn't make any grammatical sense. If you took any ******* time to read my reply instead of being entirely reactionary and dense you'd read that I said this:

 

19 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

their acts are touring WORLDWIDE, theyre acts are selling more albums than they ever have. Same goes for every Kpop company rn. The industry is growing rapidly in consumption habits. 

You're attempting to strawman me and other users into here into being completely invalid in our discourse on topics that have verifiable evidence behind them despite never being active in this thread. Its very obvious and boring. We have much more interesting conversations in here about male idols armpits than whatever "discourse? you're trying to enlighten us on. 

5 minutes ago, Sheegs said:

Onehallyu's predecessor Hallyu8 was a kii and before that which was 6theory was even more of a kii. Stans were so unhinged back then.

6Theory and all of its offshoots(allkpop) are owned by a sexual predator and I pray the day comes that the owner's servers are raided by the FBI for the child abuse that happened on their forums and I've been waiting over 10 years for Ailee to get revenge on them too.

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Sheep

Like mother, like daughter

 

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Flomik

Takeaways from bozo the ELF interrupting our regularly schedule hag hours:

 

SNSD always wins 

That fact has done serious mental damage to Ronald Reagan jr fans 

Speaking of IG 

 

 

 

KatarinaBluu clearing without solo gigs, heavy push, brand endorsements, payola etc. 

 

 

There are just no algebraic and scientific explanation why she's not being push when she could've/would've been easily the New Yoona of this Gen 

 

 

Edited October 15, 20232 yr by Odette Violet

 

Deserved Forever 1's success