fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[illia]

15 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

Still which means you will have more hits. So far hurt is only NJ’s bside and it didn’t do well. It’s not that hard to get. NJ will always have more hits  as long they keep having multiply singles. 
expect for Stay BP’s singles went top 10. 

Hurt and Stay had their own MVs though, the only reason they underperformed is because they were boring snoozes

 

although the fact that Hurt (a 7 months snooze-bside/single?) is about to outstream aespa's Girls and ITZY's Sneakers on Spotify is... interesting 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Flomik

[DelRey]

 

 

I love Marks hair and love this performance too

 

 

[Hazy]

1 hour ago, Adama said:

But even when OMG wasn’t released, Ditto was not able to get more points than AL peak. AL biggest peak was on their 2nd week too. 

 

57 minutes ago, Adama said:

Even if they outlast AL,That wasn’t my observation. My point was that Ditto in his peak still hasn’t pull bigger numbers than AL in circle points or with their ULS. Which I found interesting. 

 

Ditto was released just before Christmas and New Year, is it that hard to connect the dots and see that all songs do worse during that time? Sheeps in this thread said that Birthday was struggling because it was released in the Christmas season, yet NewJeans topping the charts just during Christmas, adding Hype Boy to that, then OMG, than bagging 100m digital points week after week is worse than After Like receiving bigger peak in the beginning and then falling behind both Hype Boy and Attention (as of now)? AL did amazing, but it was mainly because they had huge hype after Love Dive smashing. Hype Boy passed AL on Spotify and will get Eleven in the coming days. Attention will pass AL soon and neither had as big peak as AL. 

 

It’s not only about the peaks (and there isn’t that big of a difference between AL and Ditto, while NewJeans have additionally another two big songs going on) but the general picture and longevity. 

 

30 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

if it has an MV and performances then that does make it an official single 

then aespa have two flop singles and moderately big b-side

 

3 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

Still which means you will have more hits. So far hurt is only NJ’s bside and it didn’t do well. It’s not that hard to get. NJ will always have more hits  as long they keep having multiply singles. 
expect for Stay BP’s singles went top 10. 

Hurt is still charting on Circle (60m total) and it has 52m streams on Spotify. 

[rzal]

33 minutes ago, Dialamba said:

Still which means you will have more hits. So far hurt is only NJ’s bside and it didn’t do well. It’s not that hard to get. NJ will always have more hits  as long they keep having multiply singles. 
expect for Stay BP’s singles went top 10. 
 

 

Idk how it gonna outlast if AL as much  digital points as Ditto despite not them breaking the PAK record. 

Stay is a #10 hit single sis

[cloudbusting]

18 minutes ago, Hazy said:

Sheeps in this thread said that Birthday was struggling because it was released in the Christmas season

i don’t recall any of the reveluvs in this thread being surprised when the song itself flopped - it was divisive from the beginning even with the fans 

[Adama]

9 minutes ago, Hazy said:

 

Ditto was released just before Christmas and New Year, is it that hard to connect the dots and see that all songs do worse during that time? Sheeps in this thread said that Birthday was struggling because it was released in the Christmas season, yet NewJeans topping the charts just during Christmas, adding Hype Boy to that, then OMG, than bagging 100m digital points week after week is worse than After Like receiving bigger peak in the beginning and then falling behind both Hype Boy and Attention (as of now)? AL did amazing, but it was mainly because they had huge hype after Love Dive smashing. Hype Boy passed AL on Spotify and will get Eleven in the coming days. Attention will pass AL soon and neither had as big peak as AL. 

 

It’s not only about the peaks 

 

 

Like you keep talking about longevity ect. That’s great, congrats to NJ. But my point was about PEAK . For now IVE song peaked higher than any NJ songs that’s why people should not discredit them. Ditto also got a huge hype since it’s their first cb after their hits? Yet they couldn’t reach bigger peak when the competition was weaker than august? 
 

Also Songs doesn’t do worst during Christmas. It depends on each years. In December 2021 most SMTM songs were  charting inside the top 10 with 500/600k uls. Christmas songs peak in the top 10 during 1/2 days then fall out quickly after Christmas, it wasn’t a competition this year. 

[hallucinate]

24 minutes ago, Hazy said:

then aespa have two flop singles and moderately big b-side

i’d say one flop single (LTS) since girls wasn’t that big ‪of a flop (imo) but other than that i agree

 

[Fanta]

the way all the IZ*ONE girlies are wining. 

Spoiler

except chaeyeon

 

[lily42]

15 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

All of NewJeans songs are official singles.

The reason why “Hurt” feels like a b-side is because it didn’t take off like the other singles and got completely overshadowed. I remember people claiming that Hype Boy was a b-side at first as well until it smashed.

What 

 

ADOR announced that NJ 1st EP had 3 title tracks - Attention, Hype Boy, Cookie and one b-side - Hurt. People were confused because this is rare case in K-pop. NJ fandom was constantly correcting others that all 3 were title tracks.

 

Hurt is b-side because ADOR said so and Melon does not tag it as "TITLE". K-pop roll outs do not work exactly like western. It has MV and was promoted on music shows to thank fans (original promo was meant for 3 weeks only). In K-pop, we usually call this follow up song.

 

Stray Kids has MV for almost half of their discography, so all of them are singles? 

 

[aesthetic bih]

1 hour ago, hallucinate said:

if it has an MV and performances then that does make it an official single 

Based on wikipedia, it's not. But idk, was there an announcement anywhere?

 

Anyway, several articles referred it as a "b-side"

 

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A visual for B-side "Hurt," though much tamer in terms of production, was unveiled the following day. - Teen Vogue

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After unveiling music videos for new songs “Attention,” “Hype Boy” and the sparse a cappella-based b-side “Hurt” throughout July... - Billboard

 

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For now, let us give all our attention to "Hurt," NewJeans b-side track released on July 24, 2022. - Kpopping

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...and they went on to drop music videos for their second title track “Hype Boy” and their B-side “Hurt” in the following days. - Soompi

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The only b-side “Hurt” is a track where listeners can properly appreciate the raw vocals of New Jeans’ members. - Kbizoom

 

[hallucinate]

10 minutes ago, aesthetic bih said:

Based on wikipedia, it's not. But idk, was there an announcement anywhere?

 

Anyway, several articles referred it as a "b-side"

 

 

 

welp i guess it can count as a b side that was heavily promoted (for b side standarts)

Edited February 4, 2023 by hallucinate

[OrgVisual]

2 hours ago, Chemist said:

The Korean GP is impressed by everything about NewJeans

 

How do u record a song without vocals guide? How did they know what the song sounds like if there's no demo? Not like they composed the song themselves. They are trying so hard to push this "we are so talented and not manufactured" narrative

[OrgVisual]

1 hour ago, cloudbusting said:

i don’t recall any of the reveluvs in this thread being surprised when the song itself flopped - it was divisive from the beginning even with the fans 

 

1 hour ago, hallucinate said:

i’d say one flop single (LTS) since girls wasn’t that big ‪of a flop (imo) but other than that i agree

 

But LTS is an English single. By that logic we can classify Moonlight Sunrise as a flop since it doesn't chart in Korea at all?

[hallucinate]

1 minute ago, Sept said:

 

But LTS is an English single. By that logic we can classify Moonlight Sunrise as a flop since it doesn't chart in Korea at all?

considering korean charts only? yes

globally? no

 

LTS is a single regardless but i don’t count it as a title track

[Supervillain]

7 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

The best discography in Kpop, why? 

 

But now we said it !!

[Spark]

3 hours ago, Adama said:

Even if they outlast AL,That wasn’t my observation. My point was that Ditto in his peak still hasn’t pull bigger numbers than AL in circle points or with their ULS. Which I found interesting. 

 

Nobody cares about Spotify streams in 2023?? 
 

And it’s the same trajectory for NCT127 right now! From selling 2,4 millions to 1,9 million. THEY ARE INDEED LOOSING SALES  cb after cb. So why are you acting brave? 

EXO's Spotify streams aren't even that good, all SM acts (except the odd Red Velvet song) have terrible Spotify streams so it's a moot point.

 

That's just one unit (Dream are also slaying) and a 20% drop (likely caused by a recall during the first week) is nothing compared to the 45% drop EXO experienced from Tempo to Obsession. Overall 2 Baddies/Ay-Yo combined is on track to outsell Sticker/Favourite.  UPWARDS trajectory. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

Ouuu not YG setting her up like this 

 

Out of all rap songs, YG chose this song for her to cover?? 

 

 

[illia]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Blue_Shirt said:

Ouuu not YG setting her up like this 

 

Out of all rap songs, YG chose this song for her to cover?? 

 

 

"getting ate out" isn't she 16 ljkfdslsdjlssd 

and "I'm on one" 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Flomik

[Bonjourtristesse]

2 hours ago, Dialamba said:

Still which means you will have more hits. So far hurt is only NJ’s bside and it didn’t do well. It’s not that hard to get. NJ will always have more hits  as long they keep having multiply singles. 
expect for Stay BP’s singles went top 10. 
 

 

Idk how it gonna outlast if AL as much  digital points as Ditto despite not them breaking the PAK record. 

Lovesick Girls didn’t do as well as HYLT, and same with Pink Venom & Shut Down. What NewJeans pulled off with Cookie/Attention/Hype Boy was the exception to the rules. If filming more MVs and some live performances would easily generate hits, then more companies would start doing that. The fact is when you start releasing multiple singles, you get diminishing returns, having multiple smash hits all at once is rarer and more impressive 

[k4rmabutterfly]

16 minutes ago, Bonjourtristesse said:

Lovesick Girls didn’t do as well as HYLT

In Korea, LG was bigger than HYLT.

Edited February 4, 2023 by k4rmabutterfly

[Bonjourtristesse]

15 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said:

In Korea, LG was bigger than HYLT.

Not really? Basing on Gaon year-end charts: 

 

HYLT - 587,120,040 (2020)+292,235,557 (2021)= 879355597

LG - 332,166,714(2020)+504,838,497(2021) = 837005211

 

Besides, HYLT had a higher peak. 

[Adama]

34 minutes ago, Spark said:

EXO's Spotify streams aren't even that good, all SM acts (except the odd Red Velvet song) have terrible Spotify streams so it's a moot point.

 

That's just one unit (Dream are also slaying) and a 20% drop (likely caused by a recall during the first week) is nothing compared to the 45% drop EXO experienced from Tempo to Obsession. Overall 2 Baddies/Ay-Yo combined is on track to outsell Sticker/Favourite.  UPWARDS trajectory. 

Aren’t even that good when they are with RV and Aespa the biggest SM acts on Spotify. And when they are the 3rd gen bg who performed the best behind BTS and are above NCT. The fact that their b side is bigger than NCT 127 TT on there .

 

Their 45% doesn’t matter at since end, since after that their sales climbed higher (+50%) something NCT 127 can’t relate. Unfortunately despite the questionable bulkbuying, people in SK and Internationally are still NOT checking their music 7 years into their career something Exo can’t relate. All the bulkbuying is only beneficial to SM pocket and none of the members, who will deal with unemployments when they hit 30 and when SM shelves them for their new and younger bg like they always do. 

No one was mentioning nct127 in the first place so move on. 

[Adama]

1 minute ago, Bonjourtristesse said:

Not really? Basing on Gaon year-end charts: 

 

HYLT - 587,120,040 (2020)+292,235,557 (2021)= 879355597

LG - 332,166,714(2020)+504,838,497(2021) = 837005211

 

Besides, HYLT had a higher peak. 

HYLT biggest peak 

LSG longest longevity 

 

it depends which metric you’re looking into 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Adama

[JonginBey]

1 hour ago, Sept said:

How do u record a song without vocals guide? How did they know what the song sounds like if there's no demo? Not like they composed the song themselves. They are trying so hard to push this "we are so talented and not manufactured" narrative

I feel like I get what they’re trying to say, but I can’t explain it well  At the same time, there was obvious post-editing done to their “raw” vocals in those studio recording videos, so they’re still not making a point

[joysaiyo]

Kpop idols trying to rap in English with blaccent and not knowing what they're rapping about