22 hours ago, Mstreep said:

Can y'all stop with that lie …normani did not spend a million dollars of her own money..just like the stunt with the basketball in motivation wasn't actual real. I hate to say this but the girl fibs a lot. She puts out false information all the time. Motivation wasn't push after the VMA because it didn't do well streaming wise/sales or radio. Once the song didn't do anything the label stepped back and made her record more. The label was looking for a HIT to launch the album and couldn't get it. 

I'm sorry but where are you getting this from? Motivation was literally a cultural shift. I'm not even a fan of the song but the MV definitely pushed us where we are today with artists putting more effort into performing and actually giving some choreography. 

 

If you noticed; Motivation literally reached the top 10 on the pop radio charts. Which meant there had to be some radio deal put in place. The reason the song never want anywhere was because she hates it. 
 

I mean she only performed it what — maybe 2 times. She also never mentions it outside of a few interviews. She's not a fan of that song at all. 

 

However, it's her most notable song and it's her most signature song which is funny because it's her only pop single that's upbeat. 

 

If she would've promoted it; as it was released early August I'm sure it could leap to the top 20 and maybe even the top 10 if she were to get some tiktok trends going. 

 

20 hours ago, 40_L3VE said:

 

 

I don't see the TMR comparisons. Besides being trained dancers, they have nothing in common sonically.

TMR has been pop since she first came out in 2017 and has only started to sound a tad bit more urban last year or so.

Normani on the other hand briefly dipped her solo toes into a more pop leaning sound, but then came out with a full R&B album.

 

One is a white pop girlie, the other is a Black R&B singer. Different lanes.

 

Whatever happened with Dopamine, I doubt it had anything to do with Tate's success, as both, Normani and Tate, can easily co-exist.

 

Actually Tate is the foil to Mani's career. They both started out as mainly dancers when they first came into the industry. 

 

They both auditioned for a huge Reality TV Talent show. SYTYCD and X factor. 

 

Both have been in the industry for years before making it big or getting any type of notoriety. 

 

The key difference is Normani is obsessed with this perfection complex to overcompensate for past issues in FH. 

 

Tate was always a solo artist and was rather lowkey for her debut years until a couple years ago. 

 

The thing that really separates the two is that Tate knows how to play the game and Normani doesn't. It's clear that Tate isn't really into the music she makes or at least the singles she releases. She definitely is more of an alt-pop artist forced to make dance-pop. 

 

However, she never let that stop her from atleast trying to get her career off the ground. 

 

Normani on the other hand—fumbled her bag when she was over spending on unnecessary mv and photoshoots. 

 

Like? Why do you need a damn photo shoot to post on Instagram or twitter? Like your  pretty girl; post and live your life. Why do we need a bunch of random photoshoots in place of genuine moments. That's why her and the fans are so disconnected and why Tate is getting more attention. 

 

Normani needs to understand that because you are already at a disadvantage you need to build a strong fanbase but she'd rather attend the Cowboy Carter tour and never even post about it. 
 

But will take 50 million pictures at a random ass event that no one knows she even attended. 

54 minutes ago, justifymythreads said:

Motivation was literally a cultural shift. I'm not even a fan of the song but the MV definitely pushed us where we are today with artists putting more effort into performing and actually giving some choreography. 

 

Sorry, but WHAT?

 

Motivation was fun, but it didn't shift a damn thing. Certainly not any culture.

 

The Pop and R&B-Pop girls have always been dancing. Some better than others, but choreography has always been there.

 

And if we look at the following years, where Billie, Olivia and now Sabrina firmly established themselves, heavy choreo is not a signature for any of them.

 

Besides Tate and maybe Victoria, I can only think of Kpop groups when I think about songs/videos that come with fully choreographed dance routines.

1 hour ago, 40_L3VE said:

 

Sorry, but WHAT?

 

Motivation was fun, but it didn't shift a damn thing. Certainly not any culture.

 

The Pop and R&B-Pop girls have always been dancing. Some better than others, but choreography has always been there.

 

And if we look at the following years, where Billie, Olivia and now Sabrina firmly established themselves, heavy choreo is not a signature for any of them.

 

Besides Tate and maybe Victoria, I can only think of Kpop groups when I think about songs/videos that come with fully choreographed dance routines.

I'm sorry I know we are annoyed with Mani but it definitely pushed us towards the trajectory we are in now.

 

Even people like Tate and Zara Larsson even mentioned Normani as being an influence. 

 

Even Tyla has said Normani was iconic with only 2 notable songs. She definitely has been on a couple of artist's mood boards. 

 

K-pop is just a reiteration of the 90's US boy band and girl band culture. They don't really count. I'm talking about the west in particular. 

 

I would even go as far as saying that Motivation ramped up the whole Y2K aesthetic being widespread. If you literally look up what had been released prior to motivation and you will seee. (Also i'm not talking 90's aesthetic; I'm talking strictly early to mid 2000's).

Edited July 6, 20251 yr by justifymythreads

5 minutes ago, justifymythreads said:

I'm sorry I know we are annoyed with Mani but it definitely pushed us towards the trajectory we are in now.

 

Even people like Tate and Zara Larsson even mentioned Normani as being an influence. 

 

Even Tyla has said Normani was iconic with only 2 notable songs. She definitely has been on a couple of artist's mood boards. 

 

K-pop is just a reiteration of the 90's US boy band and girl band culture. They don't really count. I'm talking about the west in particular. 

 

I would even go as far as saying that Motivation ramped up the whole Y2K aesthetic being widespread. If you literally look up what had been released prior to motivation and you will seee. (Also i'm not talking 90's aesthetic; I'm talking strictly early to mid 2000's).

 

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

Imo, Motivation wasn't anywhere big enough to cause any significant cultural shift.

31 minutes ago, 40_L3VE said:

 

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

Imo, Motivation wasn't anywhere big enough to cause any significant cultural shift.

No you are missing my point. Motivation the MV not Motivation the song. 

 

It similar to what happened with Doja and Lizzo they had hits with Say So and Juice. Which influenced people creating that 1970's Disco-Pop sound.

 

Same thing with Motivation; but it instead influenced the aesthetics and her performing Love Lies definitely was a culture shifting moment when it came to performance. I wouldn't put any K-pop in that same conversation because they were always viewed as niche so them dancing wasn't regarded as novel. However, that performance definitely had an impact on western pop culture sphere. It was a huge thing back then. 

1 hour ago, justifymythreads said:

No you are missing my point. Motivation the MV not Motivation the song. 

 

It similar to what happened with Doja and Lizzo they had hits with Say So and Juice. Which influenced people creating that 1970's Disco-Pop sound.

 

Same thing with Motivation; but it instead influenced the aesthetics and her performing Love Lies definitely was a culture shifting moment when it came to performance. I wouldn't put any K-pop in that same conversation because they were always viewed as niche so them dancing wasn't regarded as novel. However, that performance definitely had an impact on western pop culture sphere. It was a huge thing back then. 

 

I didn't miss the point.

 

Motivation - the song AND the video - weren't nearly big enough to bring forth a cultural shift. Not when it comes to fashion, performance style or musical direction.

 

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

do yall ever get tired of having the same conversation over and over again?

 

 

what will it take for yall to accept she's finished. lol 

On 7/5/2025 at 1:06 PM, Mstreep said:

Can y'all stop with that lie …normani did not spend a million dollars of her own money..just like the stunt with the basketball in motivation wasn't actual real. I hate to say this but the girl fibs a lot. She puts out false information all the time. Motivation wasn't push after the VMA because it didn't do well streaming wise/sales or radio. Once the song didn't do anything the label stepped back and made her record more. The label was looking for a HIT to launch the album and couldn't get it. 

Care more about Camila still doing amphitheaters after 7yo into her solo career, and cannot fulfill arenas to save her life, and is kinda begging to go back with the group she left, and think she is a baddie, and her album flopping just like that two others, and her cancelling shows, and is just starting her 2nd tour. And you are gonna act like she is a main pop girl HAHAAHAAAAA 😂👍 

Look like you are just like the nation, delulu as hell, yet you act like you are better …

21 hours ago, wildsidenormani said:

do yall ever get tired of having the same conversation over and over again?

 

 

what will it take for yall to accept she's finished. lol 

Theres honestly no loss on releasing those videos. If anything they will boost her streaming.

On 7/6/2025 at 9:54 AM, 40_L3VE said:

 

I didn't miss the point.

 

Motivation - the song AND the video - weren't nearly big enough to bring forth a cultural shift. Not when it comes to fashion, performance style or musical direction.

 

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

You clearly did. 

 

I know you're a Camila stan but I would say that Normani even lowkey influenced her. 

 

Here's the difference; Camila has had mega hits over the last decade. Havana and Senorita being her biggest. 

 

While those songs were big when they came out. They have no lasting impact culturally. 
 

They went number 1. and achieved the sales but they sort of came and went. 
 

Motivation is the exact opposite the song was nowhere near as successful but the marketing; the aesthetic is definitely a huge reason why the 2k aesthetic really took off. 

 

Irregardless of what you say; mark my words. Motivation will be referenced for how much of an influence it was on pop culture. It may not seem like it but the MV had a lasting affect on pop culture. 

 

Even much so that many of the biggest K-pop artist give Normani her flowers and have definitely taken inspiration from her. 

 

I may be irritated with Normani but she definitely has been on many mood boards since 2019. It's pretty evident. 

 

6 hours ago, justifymythreads said:

 

 

I know you're a Camila stan 

 

 

On what planet and with what evidence to back you up, am I a stan of that racist B??????

 

Crazy talk.

Where is the single you all spoke of? Because this bickering over "Motivation" ain't it, even Normani would agree. Neither the song, album, 2 performances or reception could help when it really mattered, so it couldn't have been that iconic. 

3 hours ago, TizTiz said:

Where is the single you all spoke of? Because this bickering over "Motivation" ain't it, even Normani would agree. Neither the song, album, 2 performances or reception could help when it really mattered, so it couldn't have been that iconic. 

So your Beyoncé stan right? Beyoncé hates Check up on it but we can admit that the song and MV along with Put a Ring on It and Crazy in Love are one of her most beloved and recreated. 

 

I wouldn't say just because an artist hated a song means that the GP does. I mean Toni Braxton hates Un-Break my Heart but her ass will still be performing it at every gig. 

On 7/7/2025 at 8:42 AM, Givemeyourcoat said:

Care more about Camila still doing amphitheaters after 7yo into her solo career, and cannot fulfill arenas to save her life, and is kinda begging to go back with the group she left, and think she is a baddie, and her album flopping just like that two others, and her cancelling shows, and is just starting her 2nd tour. And you are gonna act like she is a main pop girl HAHAAHAAAAA 😂👍 

Look like you are just like the nation, delulu as hell, yet you act like you are better …

Begging to be in a group she left and has surpassed?!! 😂😂Amphitheaters, theatres, arena etc whatever she is doing it's way more then what any of the other girl are doing. 

Hoping we get some industry tea - specific to Normani's experience - that we haven't heard before with this appearance

 

 

Edited July 8, 20251 yr by 2ne1k

2 hours ago, Mstreep said:

Begging to be in a group she left and has surpassed?!! 😂😂Amphitheaters, theatres, arena etc whatever she is doing it's way more then what any of the other girl are doing. 

Wake up! She didn't surpassed what Fifth Harmony did at all ! At their second album they were already doing arenas, Camila tried with her second project and had to cancel because it was flopping hard even tho the tickets were at a low price ! And don't come with the Covid excuse because she could've postponed like Dua Lipa did (remember when y'all used to compare Camila to her ? Look at them now 😂). Again, it's her SECOND tour, after all these years ! Omg…. 
 

Girl, her mentioning her past as a band member the day after rumours about 5H going back together is clearly her saying  she is ok to be apart of it. Not to mention her saying 5h was fun (before her racist scandal she used to say the girls were bullying her but ok 👍), her responding to the 5h renaissance TikTok and so on. 
 

The fact that you and your fanbase used to say Camila was on Ariana Grande and Dua Lipa level when Camila is still stuck in a my everything era, relying on features to this day is crazy! And y'all will say she is a main pop girl 😭 

 

Now you wanna come here, give Normani stans lessons as if you're above them all when you are just as delusional when it comes to your fave career. You already have enough in your plate please, care about your own problems. Maybe you will find a solution to why Camila had three flop albums in a row. But ok it's she was nominated for some grammys (that she still didn't win). It's like nation still talking about Normani past archivements like wild side as if it wasn't 4yo ago, you're doing just the same with Camila. So what makes you sooo different from the nation ? Stop thinking you're so unique because you're just the same. 

Edited July 8, 20251 yr by Givemeyourcoat

55 minutes ago, Givemeyourcoat said:

Wake up! She didn't surpassed what Fifth Harmony did at all ! At their second album they were already doing arenas, Camila tried with her second project and had to cancel because it was flopping hard even tho the tickets were at a low price ! And don't come with the Covid excuse because she could've postponed like Dua Lipa did (remember when y'all used to compare Camila to her ? Look at them now 😂). Again, it's her SECOND tour, after all these years ! Omg…. 
 

Girl, her mentioning her past as a band member the day after rumours about 5H going back together is clearly her saying  she is ok to be apart of it. Not to mention her saying 5h was fun (before her racist scandal she used to say the girls were bullying her but ok 👍), her responding to the 5h renaissance TikTok and so on. 
 

The fact that you and your fanbase used to say Camila was on Ariana Grande and Dua Lipa level when Camila is still stuck in a my everything era, relying on features to this day is crazy! And y'all will say she is a main pop girl 😭 

 

Now you wanna come here, give Normani stans lessons as if you're above them all when you are just as delusional when it comes to your fave career. You already have enough in your plate please, care about your own problems. Maybe you will find a solution to why Camila had three flop albums in a row. But ok it's she was nominated for some grammys (that she still didn't win). It's like nation still talking about Normani past archivements like wild side as if it wasn't 4yo ago, you're doing just the same with Camila. So what makes you sooo different from the nation ? Stop thinking you're so unique because you're just the same. 

That was a lot lol…where did she say she wanted to go back? Lol yeah it was canceled because of covid like many tours at that time. But hey again..she hast 2 #1 hits ..a number 1 album .. multiple top 10 hits..Grammy nominations and 2 Latin Grammys. She has surpassed 5h a long time ago.
Now back to Normani motivation was a single her label was hoping to be a hit and when that Didnt work out they panicked and pulled back 

if there is a place deeper and worse than hell, that is where we currently are

6 hours ago, Mstreep said:

That was a lot lol…where did she say she wanted to go back? Lol yeah it was canceled because of covid like many tours at that time. But hey again..she hast 2 #1 hits ..a number 1 album .. multiple top 10 hits..Grammy nominations and 2 Latin Grammys. She has surpassed 5h a long time ago.
Now back to Normani motivation was a single her label was hoping to be a hit and when that Didnt work out they panicked and pulled back 

Miss me with that bullshit, nobody wanted to see her perform just like nobody wanted to buy that album. Dua Lipa planned a tour before Covid then postponed it because it was selling. Camila cancelled cause it was a ******* flop ! Google is free. You are just proving how delulu and deseperate you are. Don't come at nation, 
 

When are you gonna say she won a grammy? I already told you to stop caring about Normani, Camila is a ******* flop too. 
 

Again Camila NEVER surpassed 5H, you are crazy! She never did better than what the group did. Fifth Harmony had tours every album release, a handfull of awards, hits and drama. Camila had the same minus the ratio of tours. Again wasn't she supposed to be better than 5h ? Bigger ? How come you can't do better ? How come your name is still soooooo attached to the group (every album release she STILL talk about the group she left) ? 
 

Laughing at you talking about flop singles and label panicking. Epic literally puted señorita in the album last minute because liar and shameless were flops. They even released a bunch of singles to see which one would stick. None of them did. She even dropped the price of the album to make people buy it. 
 

Who do you think you're fooling ? I fully blâme Normani for giving people like you the audacity to speak. 

She took us to space on that rocket ship and left us there.

I cannot believe you guys are still responding to that user a literal decade after they first started doing this shtick 

50 minutes ago, xerty34 said:

She took us to space on that rocket ship and left us there.

With 0 oxygene and new her base is dead...

Let's be real. If you're still holding onto years-old drama just because Normani hasn't done anything with her career, it's downright pathetic. This tired 'Camila vs. Normani' nonsense needs to end, neither fanbase is happy with how their fave's career has turned out, yet you're still arguing over who's 'more successful.' At least Camila, flop after flop, keeps putting out music, and say what you will, but that's hustle. Meanwhile, Normani hasn't even delivered a full era, and at this point, fans blaming 'label issues' or crying 'conspiracy' is just embarrassing. Yes there are behind-the-scenes issues, but it's not just about management. Normani's crippling anxiety and perfectionism are clearly holding her back. She's so obsessed with everything being flawless that she'll never actually release anything. That's why she's gone radio silent because she'll never be satisfied. At some point, she either needs to push through or accept that not everything has to be perfect.

 

15 hours ago, justifymythreads said:

So your Beyoncé stan right? Beyoncé hates Check up on it but we can admit that the song and MV along with Put a Ring on It and Crazy in Love are one of her most beloved and recreated. 

 

I wouldn't say just because an artist hated a song means that the GP does. I mean Toni Braxton hates Un-Break my Heart but her ass will still be performing it at every gig. 

Friend, I like you, you know I ride with your opinion most times, but "MOTIVATION" isn't the hill I'd die on. "Wild Side" was bigger and had more cultural impact, very little but still, and the video was nearly the standard for what the girls should doing. Very organic, only failed because she, her team and her label failed to actually promote it. "Love Lies" was literally a monster. 
 

"Motivation" was simply the label getting her acquainted with a bigger market to make her more visible on all fronts, simply a crossover pop single after the success of LL. She instead let her pride get in the way, publicly & privately, and the label moved on. That's on her.