Nothing is important

14 minutes ago, family.guy123 said:

Don't forget the Bush inauguration! 
 

Anyway, all those things you mentioned are examples of actual activism that make a difference. 
 

By meaningless endorsements I was referring to the performative rallies/concerts with all those "important" celebrities. 

 

And I just have to clarify I am not hating on Beyoncé at all, I'm sure they asked and she obliged. My point is they never should have reached out to her in the first place. I am criticizing this particular Democratic campaign strategy. Or are y'all saying it was effective? 

Beyonce intentionally did not get involve in the joe biden campaign and i am sure they asked her. In fact, KAMALA (A black woman) was not the one running, i do not think she would have gotten involved. Kamala does indeed represent everything beyonce stands for, especially the aftermath of the supreme court overturning Roe v Wade. But what i also like was that she was not heavily involved, she did not put out a forceful statement like Taylor did, which was more directed at trump. She did just enough without being overbearing and being preachy

1 hour ago, Iyanla, Fix Me said:

Wow I've actually never watched/heard this but I knew it existed. I wonder if the EMA version cut the "Sweet Dreams Are Made of This" portion because it didn't get cleared for TV, hence why the EMA performance is so short (and she hasn't been back since)?

 

 

the ema performance base is just the sweet dreams/robot interlude

if you play them both at the same time, they have the same length

 

 

edit: i made this ass edit time ago lmao

 

Edited November 6, 20241 yr by Joaco95

6 hours ago, holyground13 said:

I could see Act III on the 28th of February next year.

100%. Something about that "Bodyguard" teaser video being exactly 2:29 makes me suspicious.

30 minutes ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

100%. Something about that "Bodyguard" teaser video being exactly 2:29 makes me suspicious.

Bodyguard also has 9 letters = teasing B9

 

3 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Can we talk about my excellent list of most listened to CC tracks?

 

1. THE + THE Remix

2. Bodyguard (currently experiencing a revival, thanks Pam)

3. 2 Hands 2 Heaven

4. Ya Ya

5. Tyrant

6. Alligator Tears

 

SHAKING at my taste

 

1 sneak but taste!

6 hours ago, FLAallday said:

Girl…

Look, if I was running for president I wouldn't pick the person that's 0/2 on endorsing winning candidates. That's why I want her to support a republican next time 

3 hours ago, family.guy123 said:

And I just have to clarify I am not hating on Beyoncé at all, I'm sure they asked and she obliged. My point is they never should have reached out to her in the first place. I am criticizing this particular Democratic campaign strategy. Or are y'all saying it was effective? 

this isn't the thread for this in-depth discussion, but you are 100% right.

 

establishment Democrats are still running campaigns like it's 2000. raising so much money, pushing artistic, cinematography-focused ads, getting celebrities to endorse/campaign for them... as if voters care about any of this.

 

the only "celebrity" whose opinion matters is Donald Duck himself, to so many people in this country. no Lady Gaga performance, Beyoncé speech, Taylor tweet is moving the needle.

 

Dems have a major image issue and they have completely left behind uneducated people. on top of that, they chose to alienate parts of their base with anti-Palestine, anti-LGBTQ and anti-immigrant rhetorics they either didn't address or fully stooped low to adopt.

 

now, we can't put the entire blame on the Dems as this country is full of racist and sexist people. but this isn't the way to win and we're once again stuck in a nightmare scenario.

Not to turn this into political discussion... I don't think celebrities hurt or help the campaign, but they do bring attention.  Using Bey as an example, it got millions of eyes on Kamala.  She basically tossed her the ball, and she needed to use the occasion to run with it by speaking about her vision and her policies.  I'd side eye anyone who votes for a candidate just because a celebrity endorsed them, but I don't think that's ever been the attention.

 

It's like, "Well, while you're here for Beyonce, hear what I have to say." 

 

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I'm so curious to see what act iii will be called and if there's an overarching name for the entire trilogy. 

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by ShouldersSideways

celeb endorsements are effective in terms of using they platform to bring more attention to a serious cause. 

 

some celebs like taylor swift image will be tainted. bey not so much, her career speaks on everything kamala supports + her target audience. 

1 hour ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Not to turn this into political discussion... I don't think celebrities hurt or help the campaign, but they do bring attention.  Using Bey as an example, it got millions of eyes on Kamala.  She basically tossed her the ball, and she needed to use the occasion to run with it by speaking about her vision and her policies.  I'd side eye anyone who votes for a candidate just because a celebrity endorsed them, but I don't think that's ever been the attention.

 

It's like, "Well, while you're here for Beyonce, hear what I have to say." 

32 minutes ago, Devin said:

celeb endorsements are effective in terms of using they platform to bring more attention to a serious cause. 

 

some celebs like taylor swift image will be tainted. bey not so much, her career speaks on everything kamala supports + her target audience. 

yes and no.

 

yes — celebrity endorsements do bring eyeballs to the campaign...

 

no — those eyeballs belong to people who were never voting for Trump anyway. it's not moving the needle. and it's not increasing voter turnout, either. it's mostly reaching American liberals who are politically engaged already (enough to watch/attend a rally), plus the global fan bases of these artists. if T-swift showed up at a rally, maybe that would have brought in enough conservative/moderate white women to listen to Kamala & make some sort of difference. for every other artist that endorsed her, that pool is minuscule.

I think the problem with the party and the celebrities extensions, without being too political, is that the ppl want the celebrities to feel relatable in terms of the everyday issues without taking into considerations that the celebrities don't have the same experience as the working class. But as much as the presidential candidate try to extend their policies and beliefs into the everyday voters life, the voters feel as though the candidate and party are not being authentic. 
 

Using Beyoncé, Kelly, VP Harris and First Lady Clinton as the examples from the complaints I've seen, the ppl felt as though Beyoncé & Kelly didn't understand what normal Americans go through, not taking into considerations that Sweet Potato Hitler's presidential dictatorship effects everyone, rich or poor. Ppl were complaining that Beyoncé was at the rally giving a concert, completely as uninformed as their heavy weight leader. As well as ignoring Kelly's presence, but complaining about her being there. 
 

I personally feel as though celebrities are taken more seriously when they use their own platforms (concerts, social media, meet & greets) to give their political opinions and encourage the public. Though this may be counterproductive to the voters point at hand, I'm just trying to give a different point of access. Never should any voter make such a serious decision from the point of someone who won't be as drastically affected because of their financial status, but for someone who holds an unusual place of hierarchy in some ppls minds, no matter the age, unfortunately, a celebrity igniting feeble minds is not a bad thing. Maybe the way the Dem party has been implementing their celebrity faces can stand a change. 

To the point of the Democratic Party using the reach of music artist and movie stars going forward, shoving them down throats of ppl who are all ready on board of voting anyway is becoming redundant, tired and is now a proven weakness. As Kimberly stated, these ppl don't need convincing- it's the 20,000,000 people that did not vote who needs to be reach. Trump has nearly missed only 3M, while Dems missed 15. Some changed to Rep. from the "First Black Woman" tagline, some willfully ignored her plans and policies, some simply stayed home. We can come up with millions of reasons as to why the party miserably failed this year, but she didn't stand a chance after turning off too many voters and the help of celebrities wasn't going to work. 

 

I'll never turn my back on the Democratic Party as long as they keep the interests of ALL Americans in the forefront, but I'm honestly embarrassed for how they handed the election to Donald by not being progressive for the entirety of the race. Switching from a president that was on track to win anyway, to a women that threatens the very thread that keeps America sewn together was a high risk, especially considering how smart she is and stayed in tune to the ppls issues, while the Republicans concocted lies to spread amongst the African American community. 

I just wish Kamala or Kelly would give a speech to inform the 143% Caucasian, 85% Latino and the nearly voters that 25% of African Americans how bad they've f#cked themselves trying to screw over the Black Woman. The Latino community have already started ranting with their elitist diatribes against their own community, as if he doesn't plan to try and deport of all them, tax paying or crime committing. And to the White woman who voted against ALL WOMENS RIGHT. . . may MAGA be with you❗️#CallTrump

 

 

 

People who are somewhat intelligent do not get swayed by celeb endorsement of any sorts, lets just say that

 

 

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Kristie Kuwa

This is the superior version of Grown Woman idc

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Crayzik

8 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Not to turn this into political discussion... I don't think celebrities hurt or help the campaign, but they do bring attention.  Using Bey as an example, it got millions of eyes on Kamala.  She basically tossed her the ball, and she needed to use the occasion to run with it by speaking about her vision and her policies.  I'd side eye anyone who votes for a candidate just because a celebrity endorsed them, but I don't think that's ever been the attention.

 

It's like, "Well, while you're here for Beyonce, hear what I have to say." 

 

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I'm so curious to see what act iii will be called and if there's an overarching name for the entire trilogy. 

And this is why they want celebrity endorsements.

 

Beyonce had over 1 million people trying to get tickets to that rally, and it had more viewers than the VMAs, that is what they're looking for, they don't need Beyonce to sway the people necessarily, let the candidate do that, but tune in to see Beyonce and get a message from Kamala.

NOW if we had a celebrity of Beyonce's caliber, or Taylors, that was very interactive and with frequency (think podcast), they could probably sway a huge amount people.  A few minute speech, or a singular instagram post isn't enough.  Joe Rogan I think IS effective (unfortunately), and that type of endorsement hits different because they have a base of people who respects their opinion on WW and daily issues such as politics/money.  That isn't Beyonce's platform, or Taylors, they make music, and that is what people search them out for. 

3 hours ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

People who are somewhat intelligent do not get swayed by celeb endorsement of any sorts, lets just say that

 

 

Very true, but I think that most celebrity endorsements probably already align.  Beyonce's biggest fans aren't typically Trump voters, and Trumps biggest "fans" aren't Beyonce fans. 

 

The concern in here seems to be that Beyonce maybe alienates fans with her endorsement, and that just isn't happening.  Maybe in 2008, when she endorsed Obama (but his popularity was unparalleled), and again in 2012 once the real crazies started coming out of the woodwork, but not now, in 2024. The people she would alienate are the ones who wrote articles and daily facebook thinkpieces on how she isn't country.  They're people like Luke Bryan, or the CMA audience.  She lost nothing. 

 

Had she kept her art in line with IA...SF, and left those activism boxes unchecked, we wouldn't have 4 - BEYONCE - LEMONADE - RENAISSANCE - COWBOY CARTER and whatever is next.  She'd ultimately be Usher

 

 

Sorry for the long rant, I've unfortunately been around long enough to witness all of this, I'm getting too old for this

Edited November 7, 20241 yr by Lose My Breath

12 hours ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

100%. Something about that "Bodyguard" teaser video being exactly 2:29 makes me suspicious.

Why is everyone now agreeing with a timeline that they were mocking me for theorising about just YESTERDAY (it is so hard being right!!)

8 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

I'm so curious to see what act iii will be called and if there's an overarching name for the entire trilogy. 

I think act iii will be Echoville. To me Renaissance works as the name for the trilogy since it references bringing the past to the present which is what she's doing with these genres.

1 hour ago, Lose My Breath said:

Very true, but I think that most celebrity endorsements probably already align.  Beyonce's biggest fans aren't typically Trump voters, and Trumps biggest "fans" aren't Beyonce fans. 

 

The concern in here seems to be that Beyonce maybe alienates fans with her endorsement, and that just isn't happening.  Maybe in 2008, when she endorsed Obama (but his popularity was unparalleled), and again in 2012 once the real crazies started coming out of the woodwork, but not now, in 2024. The people she would alienate are the ones who wrote articles and daily facebook thinkpieces on how she isn't country.  They're people like Luke Bryan, or the CMA audience.  She lost nothing. 

 

Had she kept her art in line with IA...SF, and left those activism boxes unchecked, we wouldn't have 4 - BEYONCE - LEMONADE - RENAISSANCE - COWBOY CARTER and whatever is next.  She'd ultimately be Usher

 

 

Sorry for the long rant, I've unfortunately been around long enough to witness all of this, I'm getting too old for this

Honestly, she would've been dragged more if she didn't back up Kamala, lets be real.

32 minutes ago, Draper. said:

I think act iii will be Echoville. To me Renaissance works as the name for the trilogy since it references bringing the past to the present which is what she's doing with these genres.

Full circle. And then the visuals project can be called Echoville. That works

3 hours ago, alien superstore said:

Why is everyone now agreeing with a timeline that they were mocking me for theorising about just YESTERDAY (it is so hard being right!!)

I want 11/29... 2/29 isn't even happening next year... but it would be way too rushed rn. I don't want another Cowboy Carter situation.

14 hours ago, Anvarie said:

Look, if I was running for president I wouldn't pick the person that's 0/2 on endorsing winning candidates. That's why I want her to support a republican next time 

She endorsed Obama twice and Joe Biden. Hilary, Beto & now Kamala though... she's even now.

31 minutes ago, Kool_Aid_King said:

I want 11/29... 2/29 isn't even happening next year... but it would be way too rushed rn. I don't want another Cowboy Carter situation.

But there's space right now for her to have full attention and start a new era. The Weeknd, Lady Gaga and probably Kendrick and Taylor will be releasing early next year. Not like she cares about those things that much, but still.

 

It would also be perfect to promote Cowboy Carter for the Grammys, if she gets nominated.

Now that the world is ending she should be nice to us and throw us a bone consisting of Act III, all the visuals, and a tour announcement

If she released the live album and an extended version of the Renaissance film including 1+1 and Love On Top, I wouldn't be mad tho.