11 minutes ago, kimberly said:

where is MOOD 4 EVA 

where is BLACK PARADE

 

otherwise yes

+ MY POWER one of the most best female collaborations of recent years

 

I am curious if Beyoncé had gone on a The Gift tour as was rumoured, how that would have affected the legacy of the album much in the same way how she opened TMCSWT with Run the World despite it flopping which in many ways has contributed to it being a low-key iconic and signature song in her discography.

 

 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by swissman

1 hour ago, swissman said:

I think the difference between African-Americans claiming their origin and most other white Americans doing the same is that the history of the diaspora culture is far different, and thus her use and connection to Africa has a far deeper and important meaning than simply saying "I'm getting back to my Viking roots" or whatever. And I don't think there's any absence of passion in the album or film from Beyoncé's side. From her own words she spent a lot of time researching and I think it very much shows in the film.

 

Black is King may leave a lot of room for metaphor and this surely confused a lot of people as to its meaning and intention, but it's essentially a fairytale, a coming home story of someone who was forced away from their land and disconnected to their roots. I think the way she used the storyline for basically the first "African" Disney prince/princess in an American franchise (from a Hollywood where stories of powerful Black people were basically non-existent until recently) to make her points was quite important.

 

Perhaps some of the messaging was confusing, but the film imo lays out the intention quite clearly. As much as it is a celebration of African culture (or those she referenced in the film), it is more-so a declaration of the kingship and majesty of African-Americans, reconnecting to a possible history that has been stolen from them, celebrating a continent as a general idea (which holds it's own problems, for sure), but I don't think Beyoncé ever set out to be "Mama Africa" as people labelled her, but to present a story that is American-centric in its meanings and motivations. Africans probably don't need to be told that they are "King", but the title holds a different political meaning entirely as it relates to the racial politics of America.

 

I understand a lot of the critiques and I am neither Black nor African so cannot outright comment on the success of the project for either, but I do think a lot of the criticism assumes the project tried to do something it actually was not trying to do, and that Beyoncé actually was very much in her lane for a lot of it: that of speaking to the experience and notion of Africa through the mythic lends of an African-American woman who like many, cannot properly outline her ancestry and who must then rely on a fondness and appreciation for Africa through a broader understanding and love for the continent.

I had to log in to say as a Black American, I couldnt have worded this any better myself.

2 minutes ago, swissman said:

I am curious if Beyoncé had gone on a The Gift tour as was rumoured, how that would have affected the legacy of the album much in the same way how she opened TMCSWT with Run the World despite it flopping which in many ways has contributed to it being a low-key iconic and signature song in her discography.

 

 

I'm glad it didn't happen. Bey needed a break and people were kinda turned off by OTR II. 

 

Now that it's been 5 and 7 years since she's toured with Jay (and solo),  the GP is hungry again. And now there's good music and familiarity to back it up. 

4 minutes ago, Blumoon said:

I had to log in to say as a Black American, I couldnt have worded this any better myself.

oh, thanks! I'm glad what I interpreted about it is shared!

4 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

I'm glad it didn't happen. Bey needed a break and people were kinda turned off by OTR II. 

 

Now that it's been 5 and 7 years since she's toured with Jay (and solo),  the GP is hungry again. And now there's good music and familiarity to back it up. 

Echo this because The Gift did virtually nothing for her 

I remember I had to go to this boring work seminar the weekend the gift was released and during his intro the host went something like “I know Beyoncé just released a new album so probably none of you want to be here right now….” and it was absolute crickets. My most embarrassing moment as a fan. 

The Gift tour would’ve flopped. What was she thinking. 

3 hours ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

To be fair, we cannot neglect the fact that some of the disappointment voiced by people surrounding The Gift was warranted: Beyonce, being a super rich US American, advocating for presenting African culture in order to celebrate it while at the same time not doing ANYTHING that era (not even doing interviews or any type of press conference) where she couldve easily used her VOICE to celebrate those African artists she worked with just leaves a sour taste in peoples mouths.

And please dont argue that she doesnt owe anything to anybody - thats not what this is about and our dear Beyonce is not a saint who cant do wrong. 

she made a whole documentary about the african voices around the album and it aired on primetime network television.

 

 

its not her fault america is racist and sent it back.

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by yonsé

59 minutes ago, Shelter said:

The Gift tour would’ve flopped. What was she thinking. 

Nah, it would not have. 

 

Would it have been the hysteria she's receiving now? No. 

 

Would it possibly have been an uphill battle in certain markets? Maybe. 

 

But Beyonce is a draw live, especially in ways that trump her charting power. She's synonymous with live performance, so will always be a magnet to a large audience. 

 

A tour for The Gift would have been coming out of the pandemic, lock down etc, so she would have had that to her benefit too. Everyone wanted to be back outside and a Beyonce tour (even for a flop album) would be a big deal. 

 

Edit: That said, I am happy it didn't happen. THIS is the best setup that she could have ever had (dare I say including the lack of visuals). Outside of her being a natural draw, the "mystery" and fact there's a chance the tour will be the first we properly see of her performing these tracks adds an extra level of "premium" and must-see to it all.

 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by Cbreezy

Damn 5/14 can't come soon enough

10 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Nah, it would not have. 

 

Would it have been the hysteria she's receiving now? No. 

 

Would it possibly have been an uphill battle in certain markets? Maybe. 

 

But Beyonce is a draw live, especially in ways that trump her charting power. She's synonymous with live performance, so will always be a magnet to a large audience. 

 

A tour for The Gift would have been coming out of the pandemic, lock down etc, so she would have had that to her benefit too. Everyone wanted to be back outside and a Beyonce tour (even for a flop album) would be a big deal. 

 

 

Actually, I feel like if she did a live show for The Gift, it would make more sense for it to have a limited run. It could have worked well if she did like 4-5 nights each in NYC, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, and a special Houston run (2 shows?).

 

throw in 5 shows in London too if she wants to call it a "World Tour." 

 

It would have sold out and she would have been able to put on a more complicated stage setup, allowing for longer breaks between cities.

 

but the big critique for this would be her skipping Africa on a so-called world tour. it wouldn't be feasible for her to do 4-5 shows in any one country there, but visiting several countries back to back for 1-2 nights wouldn't work with the production.

27 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

Nah, it would not have. 

 

Would it have been the hysteria she's receiving now? No. 

 

Would it possibly have been an uphill battle in certain markets? Maybe. 

 

But Beyonce is a draw live, especially in ways that trump her charting power. She's synonymous with live performance, so will always be a magnet to a large audience. 

 

A tour for The Gift would have been coming out of the pandemic, lock down etc, so she would have had that to her benefit too. Everyone wanted to be back outside and a Beyonce tour (even for a flop album) would be a big deal. 

 

Edit: That said, I am happy it didn't happen. THIS is the best setup that she could have ever had (dare I say including the lack of visuals). Outside of her being a natural draw, the "mystery" and fact there's a chance the tour will be the first we properly see of her performing these tracks adds an extra level of "premium" and must-see to it all.

 

It was supposed to happen before covid. It would’ve. I don’t mean flop hard, I mean for her standards. 

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

I remember I had to go to this boring work seminar the weekend the gift was released and during his intro the host went something like “I know Beyoncé just released a new album so probably none of you want to be here right now….” and it was absolute crickets. My most embarrassing moment as a fan. 

Ooof, I just got second hand embarrassment. I’m so sorry you had to experience that 

I would’ve rather gone to a hypothetical The Gift Tour than OTR 2.  I mean I had fun at OTR 2 and even went twice but it definitely was a pointless tour. 

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by suneclipse121

1 hour ago, family.guy123 said:

I remember I had to go to this boring work seminar the weekend the gift was released and during his intro the host went something like “I know Beyoncé just released a new album so probably none of you want to be here right now….” and it was absolute crickets. My most embarrassing moment as a fan. 

Yikes

 

 

Does anyone have the weekly break down of Rennie's sales?

 

 

I got my stuff to make my disco ball hat today

 

 

AHAP did 482k yesterday. Prob hit 500k tomorrow 

Got waitlisted again, when I catch you @Beyoncé Knowles

51 minutes ago, Shelter said:

AHAP did 482k yesterday. Prob hit 500k tomorrow 

We need it to hit a mil the following weekend… it’s moving too slow

Beyoncé should sign another artist to Parkwood so her label leadership style will not be solely contributed to Chloe x Halle. 

6 minutes ago, ToraeGilt said:

We need it to hit a mil the following weekend… it’s moving too slow

As long as it's stable. We need another 100 million song on Renaissance. Energy is coming, but hopefully this one too. 

 

honestly truly there’s no way she was sober when they made this album 

 

I’m high as a kite listening with headphones and the layers like…what is going awn 

 

miss ketaminaaa bringing renny to a new sonic universe