1 hour ago, Eternium said:

I don't disagree that local context matters, but the context of her career matters, as well. You've ignored everything about her to try and grasp at a gotcha moment. 
 

As far as the company's apology goes, I don't disagree. But an unhealthy amount of SM's male idols and staff are PPP/super conservative which is why so many of us girl group stans are always trashing them (especially SuJu). I highly doubt SM will take legal action because their higher-ups probably support PPP to some extent (just like all of the Big 4). I'm hoping the label's stocks take a hit and it teaches them a lesson.

i'm genuinely tired of the back and forth but it's an interesting point. i actually agree with you on most of your post but

 

SM was founded after LSM fled korea because of the conservative party's military dictatorship. he thought it wasn't a good environment to make music. at that time the conservative party was even forcing artists to include propaganda songs in their albums.

 

fast forward to 6 months ago when the same party declared the martial law, every entertainment and media companies were scared of getting taken under control again. i'm literally a first hand witness as i was in another (big) entertainment company at that exact time and we were scared that we would have to go to the studios with soldiers  aaaand not assuming anyone's political colors but from my own experience, most of the people in media / entertainment are liberal and progressive. at least everyone around me. + the huge majority of people in seoul vote blue… and it's the majority nationwide rn… so i doubt the ppp voters control SM lol

 

also SM was always extremely progressive in its culture and views and didn't reflect the PPP at all. at least when LSM was still there. just the fact that they're working so closely with china goes against everything the PPP stands for pls 

we're gonna fly away high fly away

 

Happy birthday to the best and most talented The Boyz member 

 

 

"this clearly isn't what they stand for but let me write another essay" oh we're tired alright 

19 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

I'm really not liking the direction of the  new Katseye era after that Anitta demo leak. The "Beautiful Chaos" concept just to tie together the different genres just feels like what Lisa tried to do with Alter Ego.

 

Gnarly...I just can't get over the "Making beats for a boring dumb B" line. I know it's supposed to be a demo, they really changed nothing about the demo so it just comes off as Katseye being the boring dumb Bs that the original producer was mocking. 

i cannot not think of gaga whenever i see "beautiful chaos"… like what in the mayhem 

There's no way this Karina situation ends up hurting her and Aespa's career let's be fr

 

in a month time they will probably have the number one song in korea 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

I warned y'all that all the musty blinks were only token stanning last year because they were undraggable. Suddenly every username that used to say disgusting things about aespa members has a personal interest in and is an expert on Korean politics. If I had a dollar for every time I was either bullied for or was labelled a bully for my accurate predictions...

Blinks are the fakest fandom fr, I remember when they were the main ones fueling the aespa hate train in 2022… now they love aespa lmaoooo
 

it used to be hell out there for me cause I liked both groups

 

this ugly ass cover... they didn't even try

 

Edited May 30, 20251 yr by youresotoxic

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

Dumbest take in this thread. Karina has been getting hate for being liberal and pushing feminist propaganda for years now. From the books she recommends to the blue scarf she kept posting last year. After YSY's impeachment, she was getting hate for posting this look in a blue scarf, which was controversial because Karina was assumed to be supporting the Democrat Party:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DDwLB8ByUk5/?img_index=7&igsh=dWY0bGQ1eDN1bmc5

I don't disagree that local context matters, but the context of her career matters, as well. You've ignored everything about her to try and grasp at a gotcha moment. 
 

As far as the company's apology goes, I don't disagree. But an unhealthy amount of SM's male idols and staff are PPP/super conservative which is why so many of us girl group stans are always trashing them (especially SuJu). I highly doubt SM will take legal action because their higher-ups probably support PPP to some extent (just like all of the Big 4). I'm hoping the label's stocks take a hit and it teaches them a lesson.

The color red and the 2 are the only symbols for the PPP. They mention the rose because it's called the rose election. A rose is not a symbol of the PPP.

And the context of a person's entire political career and their intentions should be taken into consideration, as well. Globalization occurred hundreds of years ago, diva, and it's just ramping up. Everyone should be involved in every election because it affects all of us.

I'd be interested to see the process. Sometimes it takes them about three weeks to post pictures but sometimes it comes in a matter of hours. These photos were only a few days old so SM should have definitely stopped them before the post. They need a better PR team.

What do you mean "if?" Here's V wearing red and doing a peace sign before voting in the presidential election in 2017. Where has @Ubermensch criticized your fave for this? Maybe show female idols a little grace the way your fave was shown grace. 

I have a theory that most of the higher-ups are PPP at SM which makes me hate them more. SM has gotten into numerous conservative scandals and it is usually without the artist's consent nor knowledge. The most infamous is when they put a swastika on SNSD's Genie physical album.

A terrible metaphor and a very poor attempt, sis. You're arguing over intentions, not actions. And since the artist already clarified their intentions, what argument do you have?

I said I wouldn't talk about it anymore but while we can agree to disagree on some points (I'm not talking about the answers to trolling). I see some valid points, we should educate and learn about foreign politics, cause we indeed might be impacted in a lessor state than the people living. Even though I still think it's not our place to lecture the locals. 

13 minutes ago, LovemeTear said:

There's no way this Karina situation ends up hurting her and Aespa's career let's be fr

 

in a month time they will probably have the number one song in korea 

this. korea is already super conservative and we're living in the trump age where political affiliations are desensitized (ie tate mcrae)

12 minutes ago, LovemeTear said:

 

 

Blinks are the fakest fandom fr, I remember when they were the main ones fueling the aespa hate train in 2022… now they love aespa lmaoooo
 

it used to be hell out there for me cause I liked both groups

The tribalism in kpop is too much. One time a user had an gigantic, expletive filled meltdown at me because it's "impossible to stan both Taeyeon and IU".  

3 minutes ago, Asscatchem said:

this. korea is already super conservative and we're living in the trump age where political affiliations are desensitized (ie tate mcrae)

I still can't believe she went as far as collabing with that dude for a quick #1. She used to serve bops. Oh well. 

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

#8 on the charts and a definite hit. Their physical sales are growing and they're the only 4th gen boy group aside from TXT getting hits.

What? TXT has never gotten a hit...

2 hours ago, JO1s said:

I mean JO1's 2 month old single is doing more daily streams on spotify...

You know JO1 has 960K monthly listeners on spotify while Riize has 2.7M right? 

 

Both are flops but you get the point...

Really need a gif of Bang PD running out of the Hybe offices, preferably being chased by HeeHee, tomatoes included

 

21 minutes ago, youresotoxic said:

 

this ugly ass cover... they didn't even try

 

SM really does the bare minimum. Did they just google "copyright free summer album cover art"

I mean that's what I do when I make mixtapes, but they a multi-billion dollar company. Where is the photoshoot level cover?!

43 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

i'm genuinely tired of the back and forth but it's an interesting point. i actually agree with you on most of your post but

 

SM was founded after LSM fled korea because of the conservative party's military dictatorship. he thought it wasn't a good environment to make music. at that time the conservative party was even forcing artists to include propaganda songs in their albums.

 

fast forward to 6 months ago when the same party declared the martial law, every entertainment and media companies were scared of getting taken under control again. i'm literally a first hand witness as i was in another (big) entertainment company at that exact time and we were scared that we would have to go to the studios with soldiers  aaaand not assuming anyone's political colors but from my own experience, most of the people in media / entertainment are liberal and progressive. at least everyone around me. + the huge majority of people in seoul vote blue… and it's the majority nationwide rn… so i doubt the ppp voters control SM lol

 

also SM was always extremely progressive in its culture and views and didn't reflect the PPP at all. at least when LSM was still there. just the fact that they're working so closely with china goes against everything the PPP stands for pls 

Wait I'm curious, you live in SK? By birth or an expat? 

 

are y'all done

 

someone post some oppas

 

9 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

are y'all done

 

someone post some oppas

 

Here Jooheon sharing the first demo of Monsta X Debut song. 

 

 

this group is so unserious

 

WakeOne lying about them having "health concerns" instead of just saying they fucked up their visas

 

Is it a coincidence that the two Chinese members suddenly have "health concerns" on the day they're scheduled to perform in Taiwan?

 

 

3 hours ago, Bewitched said:

Not my nugu faves going on boys planet but BIC (my bias) isn't lmfao 

 

 

OMG is it confirmed? I used to like their music a lot when they debuted and found Win a cutie 

Perfection 

 

Spoiler

 

7 hours ago, Odette Violet said:

HYBE can't payola Katseye no more.  I feel bad for the talented girls of the group

 

 

You keep saying payola but people genuinely like them