7 minutes ago, illia said:

For real though, where is Min Heejin? I've only seen NJZ making statements and giving interviews lately

Where's the CEO

 

she's prolly recruiting another set of young girls she can brainwashed

 

9 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

The NMIXX to their TWICE

 

NMIXX makes 100x better music, albums and videos, better performers and 10x more talented the babymonster look like they're from nugu company next to them

4 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

weird for not picking a side? why are yall acting that 2 things can't be true at once? I'm not defending HYBE but I'm not buying into Heehee's bs either

 

All that essays but she still MIA. she's letting this young girls fending off for themselves  

MHJ isn't connected with them FORMALLY anymore, thanks to HYBE, so she has no power over their fate - she stated her point of view many times and each time her words got twisted and resulted in more hate towards her AND the girls. what would her inserting herself here change? we don't even know if the girls and her are contractually allowed to contact each other since she's not connected with HYBE anymore. use some logical thinking. 

Of course an sm Stan is defending a slave contract 

6 minutes ago, Xalric said:

NJZ never mentioned them, HYBE did.

I hate to engage in this discussion because if you try to put some perspective into it you are straightforwardly labeled as ratmy or a HYBE stan and I am neither of it. In fact, I really liked NJZ's music and aesthetics until their last comeback with ADOR... but the fact that they did not directly mentioned Illit's or LESSERAFIM name does not mean people did not know whom they were referring to (come on, there is only 2 ggs under HYBE, 3 if you counted fromis...).

 

The worst of all for me as @Odette Violet stated is none of them seemed to try to prevent their rabid fans to start a disgusting hate train towards a newly debuted group managed by one of the biggest corporations in Korea that had zero power in deciding how they were gonna look of how their music was gonna sound. 

 

But again, I think we are targeting the hate towards the wrong people (mind you we are talking about teenagers or really young adults) that were shamelessly used and brain washed by a bunch of megalomanic adults who had in their best interest to sack up more money at their expense. 

 

Just now, JO1s said:

Of course an sm Stan is defending a slave contract 

stanning their girl groups = / = SM stans

 

a reminder that the same woman yall trying to defend here was also from SM

 

3 minutes ago, JO1s said:

Of course an sm Stan is defending a slave contract 

The worst contracts SM ever had were proven in a court of law not to be slave contracts.

5 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said:

NMIXX makes 100x better music, albums and videos, better performers and 10x more talented the babymonster look like they're from nugu company next to them

I think it's because Babymonster feel like a Nugu group imitating BLACKPINK like the early wave of girl crush after DDD took off. Idk how hard it is to find one of the pinks demos from the vault and release it like they did for AIIYL

1 minute ago, Odette Violet said:

stanning their girl groups = / = SM stans

 

a reminder that the same woman yall trying to defend here was also from SM

 

Did she write up their contracts?

1 minute ago, Ubermensch said:

The worst contracts SM ever had were proven in a court of law not to be slave contracts.

This just shows how corrupt the Korean justice system is

1 minute ago, Vrx. said:

I think it's because Babymonster feel like a Nugu group imitating BLACKPINK like the early wave of girl crush after DDD took off. Idk how hard it is to find one of the pinks demos from the vault and release it like they did for AIIYL

Teddy must have said NO to Babymonster

 

Anticipate Meovv and izna juseyo

 

Just now, JO1s said:

This just shows how corrupt the Korean justice system is

That was the same case that saw contract maximums lowered to 7 years. SM still lost, but it was not a slave contract.

1 minute ago, JO1s said:

Did she write up their contracts?

no but juding her history with them, she ain't no better

 

she's not the messiah yall trying to paint her to be

 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

That was the same case that saw contract maximums lowered to 7 years. SM still lost, but it was not a slave contract.

Idk the 90/10 split that Artists had prejyj case and the fact that jaejoong was blacklisted for 15 years. I'll call a spade a spade

Anyway best of luck to this girls. 

 

they have another court hearing next month and if they cannot prove otherwise

 

it's truly over for them

 

1 minute ago, Odette Violet said:

no but juding her history with them, she ain't no better

 

she's not the messiah yall trying to paint her to be

 

Where did I say she was? She's by far the lesser of 2 evils, and I see more rants about njz and mhj than hybe from you so… you kind of have picked a side

8 minutes ago, Darkling said:

I hate to engage in this discussion because if you try to put some perspective into it you are straightforwardly labeled as ratmy or a HYBE stan and I am neither of it. In fact, I really liked NJZ's music and aesthetics until their last comeback with ADOR... but the fact that they did not directly mentioned Illit's or LESSERAFIM name does not mean people did not know whom they were referring to (come on, there is only 2 ggs under HYBE, 3 if you counted fromis...).

 

The worst of all for me as @Odette Violet stated is none of them seemed to try to prevent their rabid fans to start a disgusting hate train towards a newly debuted group managed by one of the biggest corporations in Korea that had zero power in deciding how they were gonna look of how their music was gonna sound. 

 

But again, I think we are targeting the hate towards the wrong people (mind you we are talking about teenagers or really young adults) that were shamelessly used and brain washed by a bunch of megalomanic adults who had in their best interest to sack up more money at their expense. 

 

when will you understand that MHJ placed an INTERNAL complaint regarding ILLIT concept and it's HYBE who made it public, because it was something that was favorable for them considering they wanted to get rid of MHJ and NJZ 

 

neither MHJ nor Hanni said anything bad about any group - they stated that the kids aren't at fault here but it's adults! again, let's remember that the discussion went public because HYBE made it public in the first place. 

 

in fact MHJ didn't have anything in common with ILLIT or LSRFM, NJZ was her interest since she was their CEO and she did everything in her power to stand behind them resulting in her career downfall! she still stood up for ILLIT and blamed their management and BSH for the issue even though she wasn't connected with that group at all. when did ANYONE from HYBE, SOURCE or BELIFT stand up for NJZ? pathetic 

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30 minutes ago, Xalric said:

NJZ never mentioned them, HYBE did.

A female junior group of NJZ that, obviously, belongs to HYBE labels...

Not that hard to figure out lmao. 

 

 

Just now, JO1s said:

Idk the 90/10 split that Artists had prejyj case and the fact that jaejoong was blacklisted for 15 years. I'll call a spade a spade

Blacklists are awful and should be illegal for everybody but Jessica. SM still never has had slave contracts, and the 90/10 split is for music sales, they take a much bigger cut of other revenue streams. Any numbers you see for non-TVXQ/SM artists online are speculative so that can not be weighed against the rest of the industry.

5 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

I think it's because Babymonster feel like a Nugu group imitating BLACKPINK like the early wave of girl crush after DDD took off. Idk how hard it is to find one of the pinks demos from the vault and release it like they did for AIIYL

the way nmixx look luxurious and well-thought of group and babymonster looks like a rushed nugu group with zero budget

 

nmixx music sounds more polished and crisp too and there's actual aesthetic/theme they're going for while it looks like yg is just throwing everything and seeing what sticks with baemon

1 minute ago, Ubermensch said:

Blacklists are awful and should be illegal for everybody but Jessica. 

Not you trying to send Zach into another spiral 

1 minute ago, JO1s said:

Not you trying to send Zach into another spiral 

the way they regularly go to my profile and look for posts about her to downvote, sometimes even in the threads from years past

3 minutes ago, JO1s said:

Where did I say she was? She's by far the lesser of 2 evils, and I see more rants about njz and mhj than hybe from you so… you kind of have picked a side

 

I had rants when they exposed how it was HYBE whose behind's aespa hate train few years ago

 

NJZ and Heehee are the hot topic atm so you'll going to see more people talking about them, including me 

 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

the way they regularly go to my profile and look for posts about her to downvote, sometimes even in the threads from years past

You took up my mantle as the #1 Jessica anti, Jessica vs Vixx was a thread staple.

18 minutes ago, Darkling said:

I hate to engage in this discussion because if you try to put some perspective into it you are straightforwardly labeled as ratmy or a HYBE stan and I am neither of it. In fact, I really liked NJZ's music and aesthetics until their last comeback with ADOR... but the fact that they did not directly mentioned Illit's or LESSERAFIM name does not mean people did not know whom they were referring to (come on, there is only 2 ggs under HYBE, 3 if you counted fromis...).

 

The worst of all for me as @Odette Violet stated is none of them seemed to try to prevent their rabid fans to start a disgusting hate train towards a newly debuted group managed by one of the biggest corporations in Korea that had zero power in deciding how they were gonna look of how their music was gonna sound. 

 

But again, I think we are targeting the hate towards the wrong people (mind you we are talking about teenagers or really young adults) that were shamelessly used and brain washed by a bunch of megalomanic adults who had in their best interest to sack up more money at their expense. 

 

noticed how this base are awfully quite when it's Illit and LSF like what's not clicking here? apparently were the bad guys for seeing through their lies and coming against Hehee and Hybe